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It's my opinion that they had the guns and dogs because they knew that what they were involved in was wrong and weren't taking any chances on having the deal go south. If a big drug dealer packs heat, no one is the least bit surprised. Same thing, really. Lot's of big money at stake there. A friend of mine was telling people in his area (quite vocally) about some inconsistencies he had seen at HQ that he found alarming. He quickly had armed thugs appear at his door(hundreds of miles from HQ) and tell him, in no uncertain terms, he had better keep his mouth shut if he knew what was good for him. This was in the late 1970's.

Yes-------- the ability to admit to yourself that your "hero" was a second rate flim-flam man who used the scriptures deceitfully in order to satisfy his own lustful perversions. Even in his grave, he continues to "use" you to further his perversion of the so called "Truth". Am I missing something?

This is the same dangerous (in my opinion) stance that was taken in TWI. TWI refused to acknowledge that, although depression can be a temporary state brought on by circumstances, it is frequently the result of actual chemical imbalances in the brain. Removing "negatives" from the person's life( ie:finding root "issues") has no effect on this type of depression. In fact, you may be doing the person great harm by denying them the treatment they require. And the devil spirit approach? Might as well just drill holes in the person's head so the evil spirits will have an escape route.

William Clarke----Your Love Is Real

I saw an article some years ago (can't remember where now) that said the Pope had a special transmitter fitted in that rather large piece of head wear he sports, that enables him freely to commune with celestial aliens (or secretly infiltrate the thoughts of Non-Catholic riff-raff in a plot to take over The World.) via a special brain wave frequency generator. It wasn't a very large article, only made the second or third page. (First page was already taken by an amazing story of a pig with three heads that roams the streets of Upper Bullsheetskava after the Sun sets. I never heard anything else about it. (The transmitter, that is.)

Well, WhiteDove, It's pretty clear to me now why it's impossible for you to understand. You simply weren't there. You were off in some dream world they told you to live in. Got to be like minded, ya know. Yup, speak a scripture and your troubles will magically melt away. Life must be quite simple in that dream world, where reality can be ignored and lechers ride white horses like knights in shining armor. Nope, no room for fear at this little dream world's inn; denial has already rented that room.

One must wonder what this discussion would be like had the incident taken place under the auspices of, let's say, a bass fishing club. And, suppose the villainous person at the heart of it been some joker named Hector Szublefrickenhumptypup. Would "The Bible" still play a key role in the discussion? And what about Mr. Zsublefrickenhumptypup?

Thanks, Caveman It makes me feel much better to know we were following the leadership of someone who was merely "harassed" by devils and not someone who was "possessed" by them, though it is a bit disconcerting to recall him specifically saying these things were devil possession. (Advanced Class)

And the "correct" translation would be---------------------??? How about cancer. Is that devil spirit possession? How about alcoholism. Is that devil spirit possession? How about sexual predation. Is that devil spirit possession? Or are those just "mistranslations"? Seems like old VP was chock full of "mistranslations".

It's my understanding that VPW obtained much of his conspiracy "knowledge" through his(documented) direct association with The Liberty Lobby, though he was quite willing to let us believe he got these insights by "revelation". Kinda makes one wonder how much of the ABS secretly funded this stuff. Here's one of Gary Allen's books. http://reactor-core.org/none-dare.html Wiki about Liberty Lobby: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberty_Lobby

One has to wonder why someone who, by their own testimony, suggests they were never a subject of TWI's behavioral control methods, would have ever stayed at all. Puzzling, isn't it?

People suffered immensely at the hands of one VP Wierwille. (I thought it would be apropos to "bind" that in blue.)

Happy Birthday, Dooj.

Apparently, WhiteDove, you either don't accept or don't realize the we were being subjected to a form of mind control. No one, that I'm aware of, sat in that room with wet pants or trembled in fear. It was a sense of utter futility, not fear that swept over that room. After we had worked so hard, for so long, we were confronted point blank with this scenario. Then, only hours later, we were sent on another roller coaster. Disappointment and hopelessness were the high cards in that hand, not fear. So, you can smugly rehearse in your mind what you would do if a mugger suddenly appeared and stuck a gun in your face. Yeah, first you punch him in the gut, then you give him an upper cut, then you grab the gun and watch him run from you like a scared rabbit. Uh huh, sounds real good until it actually happens to you in a moment's notice. That's when you stammer and stumble over your carefully rehearsed lines and can't remember if you are supposed to exit stage left or stage right. Believe me, there was nothing humorous about suddenly being told that everything you had worked so hard for was about to be taken away in a moment's time. Rent the house next door? Why on earth would someone who had traveled 1,000 or 2,000 miles to be a part of it ever want to do that?

Ummm, actually it is. Does the word credibility ring a bell?

Who was it that told the story here about WOW assignment being decided by throwing darts at the dart board?

She has a bakery business in , I think, Atlanta. If you do a search here you can find her email address if you are inclined to look her up.

Hey there, Doc Listen, don't take this personal, but that scenario was played out thousands and thousands of times in TWI. Branch leaders, area leaders, etc. were under the gun from higher ups to get the sales figures up graduate more people from PLAF(The Wonder Class). Something similar was done to me. The girl neglected to tell me she was actually engaged to the class instructor. Nice people, huh?

It's no myth, my friend. The incidents I referred to happened in Fellow Laborers, not The Corps. I witnessed them. At least three of them were in houses I lived in. In fact, I was threatened myself, once as an individual and once as part of a group. Here's the group incident I have cited here before. There were about 49 or 50 other people in the room when this happened. One of them is a regular poster here. We normally only got 5 hours sleep in FLO.(If we were lucky.) One night we were rousted out of bed at about 3am and told we had 20 minutes to drive from our apartment complex, where we all lived commune style, to limb hq, which was 30 minutes away. It was physically impossible to get there on time.. We all got there late and sat silently in the BRC, with no lights on, waiting for what seemed like forever for the limb leader to appear. He proceeded to tell us we had all failed our test because we were late. He said that we, as a group, were a total disgrace to God and it was all our fault that Word Over The World was doomed to failure because we were dragging down Int. HQ by performing so poorly in the birthplace of the ministry. I don't think anyone had any idea what in the world he could have possibly been referring to. There were no questions or discussions allowed. We were told that, as of that moment, the program was defunct. We were told to go back to our "houses", go back to bed and when the sun came up, we were to pack and get out. We all had "9-5" secular job commitments, too. The next morning we all met for one last 5am fellowship. We were told at that time that we had been given a second chance but we would have to follow subsequent orders to a tee without comment or question. Not long ago, on one of the threads here on GSC, I discovered that virtually the same thing was done to The Corps at about the same time. The whole thing was planned and staged to look like it was the result of some "heavy revelation". What a crock of theatrical dung the whole thing was. I don't really care if you think that's a myth or not but like I said, there were 50 other people in the room. edited: This was in in mid 1970's. I thought I would add that tidbit for naysayers who insist that TWI life was all puppy dogs and rainbows in the good old "daze".

Horror stories, fooledagainII. (Lots and lots of them) Imagine being wakened from a dead sleep, at 3am, in the middle of nowhere, with no car or money, and told you had 24 hours to haul your sorry foot across the state line, 150 miles away, if you had any hope of surviving the consequences of leaving the "hedge of protection" that was only available to those in the "one true household". Did it happen? You bet. Re: "backbiting" Yeah, what they were really talking about was that you better not ask any questions or talk about what they did if you didn't want a similar fate.

Absolutely!!

Here's some other stuff that has crossed my mind. When he was expounding In CF&S about how it was a "spiritual event" and all the other mumbo-jumbo he spouted, I think he was really priming his future victims. When he subsequently told young women it would heal them, it made perfect sense in light of his CF&S line of reason. Here they are, being told it will heal them and they have already accepted it to be a "spiritual event". Carry that just one step farther and you can understand why a "spiritual event" with the self implied Man Of God for The World would take on a whole new meaning. It's not merely sex with some old horny geezer, it's a 'spiritual connection" to God via the man who knows God like no one has known him for thousands of years. Whether it was intentional or subconscious, I think the guy operated in an incremental fashion. Step by step, he drew people closer and closer to the snare until it was too late. Then he pounced. He was one sick puppy.

I left in about 1990 and never heard a thing about it until I came here. I wasn't corps though so maybe that factors into it.

In other words, the SOB was pretty much clueless in regard to finding an appropriate answer in the Bible, the very book he supposedly had an inside track on, an understanding that was supposedly unequaled in the world. The teaching on this one single, simple yet immeasurably important subject, was all over the map, so to speak. If it was OK for some to not observe celibacy, did that nullify the supposed "spiritual nature" of the act that VPW claimed was "always" a spiritual event? Which times were spiritual and which were not if that was the case? And I remember, also, VeePee stated, in CF&S, that it was impossible for a person to experience the true spiritual nature of orgasm without intercourse. If two unmarried people "consummated" their relationship, should they therefore consider themselves "married" in God's eyes? Were they now somehow committed to each other by some "spiritual" bond? If they were, what was the expectation of honoring that bond? Well, I guess if one considers these questions from a strictly secular, societal standpoint, the answers aren't so difficult to find. But we were supposed to be living in a special, spiritually aware society that had some sort of esoteric standard to maintain. And what if one were to break that bond?(as two single people simply going their own ways) What would be the consequence if any? Yeah, this stuff seams pretty silly in retrospect but it had a major impact on how people conducted themselves back then. In Fellow Laborers, it could mean the difference between getting tossed out in the middle of the night (if caught) or being allowed to stay. That's a pretty serious consequence to ponder.

Hi, aball001 I got a set of those tapes as well, although I am a sighted person. It seems I love to read but my eyes tire rather quickly. I listened to them while I was driving and whatnot. If I recall correctly, they were vocalized by Alexander Scourbie. Somewhere in my basement, they are packed in a box. They are on rather worn cassette tapes. I'm sure by now they must be available on CD or on-line. Do you still have yours? Coincidentally, I am originally from NE Ohio as well.