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At about the same time, there was a guy in Cleveland(Bill Mc.) who was somewhat like a counterpart of these guys. He had developed quite a large group of devoted followers. I strongly suspect he also disagreed with the centralization of funds. He was given the bum's rush in short order. The whole Cleveland movement almost fell apart as a result. There was a lot of damage control. Any other Cleveburgers recall the details?

I, too, am of the opinion that part of the purpose of P.O.O.P. was to cover up the scandalous behaviors.. However, I think that was only a secondary motivation. I believe the real reason was to keep a ship bearing gold afloat as it traversed the stormy seas of scrutiny. ('nother words, don't kill the goose that lays the golden egg)

Which one was filmed first, that one or the one about eggs?

Aw man! I love that tune. There's a Choctaw Lake not far from here and I think about it every time I drive by it. (The movie, on the other hand, s-u-c-k-e-d to high heaven.)

Yeah, I remember the stuff about adultery in the scriptures being a reference to spiritual idolatry but I never for a minute realized they were trying to say that it superseded the meaning of sexual adultery and therefore made it OK. I thought they were saying it added another dimension to the already understood meaning. Of course, now we know it was just a lame excuse to rationalize unacceptable behavior. Wierwille had less "spiritual perception" than last year's chia pet. I still find it hard to believe how absolutely naive I must have been.

Dust thou art---------

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Awwww, never mind. It was just the Taco Swell I had for dinner the night before. Guess I shoulda listened to that little talking dog when he said, "Drop the chalupa!"

This is where the revelation part (supposedly) came into play. God (supposedly) gave the person a gift ministry. The ordination ceremony was merely a formality to publicly recognize the gift. The person was prophesied over at the ceremony. That gave it all an apparent certification of authenticity. Can't argue with it. Gawd gives the gifts to whom He sees fit, regardless of age, dontchaknow? <_<

Happy Birthday, A la prochaine!! It's your day to "rule".

"If you have an erection that lasts more than four hours, immediately call The Gu!n3ss Book Of Records,"

None of us are free.

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Didn't John T@hns3nd do a Way Tree class on tape? How about Dealing With The Adversary? It was live when I took it but I would think it must have been taped sooner or later, no?

Well, in the early '70's, it was commonly supposed, by the rank and file believers, that ordination came from God and was conferred upon the recipients as a recognition of a gift ministry. (or plural ministries) It was quite a "thing" amongst us to try to guess the gift ministry of the newly ordained. And, of course, since VPW declared himself to be "the teacher" it was accepted that he, himself, had at least this gift ministry if not more. I have since learned that everything is not always as it appears to be.

I like to lurk but I don't really play. I'm kinda "techno-retarded".

She was very, very fortunate to have a loved one who would do this for her.

It was an exercise in indoctrination, plain and simple.

In light of your geographic location, I wonder if they could be ex-FLO or progeny.

Hmmmmm. Any truck stops nearby?

I was never around either of them very much at all. I do recall one time, however, when I heard them simultaneously giving conflicting advise to a believer who asked about joining the Armed Forces. VP told the kid he should devote his efforts to the ministry, instead, by going WOW. He was quite emphatic in his admonition. Uncle Harry told him he should join the military if that was his true desire. They went back and forth with personal jabs a couple of times and finally told the young man he should just pray about it. He really just wanted to know if there was anything in The Word that addressed the issue but came away with his question unanswered.