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In Undertow, there's a person named Patrick Ryan who provided a blurb in one of the first pages of the book. I met him through the International Cultic Studies Association. He had a sister who'd been in The Way, so he had a personal interest in my story. For years, he's been working as an exit counselor with another person, Joseph Kelly. They compile articles about cults and send a daily newsletter called Cult News 101. Here's a bit about him and a link to an interview: Cult Stories: An Interview With Cult News 101 Founder Patrick Ryan "There’s a small but dedicated social media community that focuses on the world of cults and if you start following accounts, the algorithms at sites like Twitter and Instagram will eventually funnel you towards Cult News 101, which aggregates stories from newspapers across the globe. When we first found the consistently updated trove of articles, I was curious who was aggregating all the content. Was this a true crime rubbernecker? An A.I. bot programmed to feed AP dispatches? Or was this the work of someone with a vested interest in spreading the news from Cultland? A few exploratory clicks around the web proved that the accounts and the site that hosts the insanely large archive of backdated stories were the work of two exit councilors: modern cult deprogrammers Patrick Ryan and Joseph Kelly, who both have experience on the inside of coercive organizations themselves." " ... I finished the interview by asking Patrick Ryan why it’s important to tell cult stories. I pointed out that I felt that these stories illustrate that coercive control has proven to be a feature of humanity, which he agreed with. 'It’s a bug, it's a feature, and it's the whole history of mankind. It's nothing new. You know, the history of humanity is oppression of people, of a certain class with money and wealth or swords and spears oppressing other people, making them slaves either physically or mentally. It's the history of mankind.'"

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If you're writing a book or magazine article or a post here at Greasespot Cafe about your Way experiences, here's my latest blog post about my book about writing, which features a timetable showing how and why I wrote my memoir, Undertow. The following is posted on my website at https://charleneedge.com and in the thread for Undertow here at GSC. September Discount: From the Porch to the Page by Charlene L. Edge | posted in: Book Events, My Writing Life | 0 Greetings, subscribers! Happy Labor Day weekend. To celebrate the labor of writing, for the month of September, ON SALE for $15.00, you can get my most recent book, From the Porch to the Page: A Guidebook for the Writing Life. $15.00 includes tax and shipping to anywhere in the USA. This offer, unfortunately, is not available to readers in other countries. However, the book is available on Amazon and Barnes and Noble. For ordering details, see below. Did you know…? This book includes the behind-the-scenes scoop—references in essays and a timetable in Appendix 1 —about how and why I wrote and published my award-winning memoir, Undertow: My Escape from the Fundamentalism and Cult Control of The Way International. This is particularly valuable to readers of Undertow who tell me they are now working on memoirs about their own experiences in The Way International, which is still in business and actively recruiting. Porch is NOT only for writers From the book’s cover: Edge’s prose is crisp and to the point, her voice discerning yet collegial, speaking friend to friend, as she shares stories, realizations, and moments of beauty. More than 30 essays on the writing life and craft Charlene’s short stories and poems illustrating essay topics — some of these were published and won prizes Nourishing insights from well-known authors and poets Recommended books for writing memoir, poetry, fiction, and travel stories Beginning with “Readers Become Writers” and ending with “If You Want to Keep Writing,” Edge’s encouraging and gentle book highlights the vistas, detours, and delights on the writing path, along with truths we can all apply to poetry, prose, and life. To order your personalized, signed copy of From the Porch to the Page Email me at crledge@earthlink.net In the Subject line, write PORCH. I’ll reply with specific instructions. Offer ends: September 30, 2023 Thanks for reading! Your writer on the wing, Charlene YouTube presentation - book launch for From the Porch to the Page. Website: https://charleneedge.com YouTube presentation on Undertow: CHARLENE L. EDGE –Author “A Cult Insider’s Story” – YouTube

If you're writing a book or magazine article or a post here at Greasespot Cafe about your Way experiences, here's my latest blog post about my book about writing, which features a timetable showing how and why I wrote my memoir, Undertow. Posted today on my website at https://charleneedge.com September Discount: From the Porch to the Page by Charlene L. Edge | posted in: Book Events, My Writing Life | 0 Greetings, subscribers! Happy Labor Day weekend. To celebrate the labor of writing, for the month of September, ON SALE for $15.00, you can get my most recent book, From the Porch to the Page: A Guidebook for the Writing Life. $15.00 includes tax and shipping to anywhere in the USA. This offer, unfortunately, is not available to readers in other countries. However, the book is available on Amazon and Barnes and Noble. For ordering details, see below. Did you know…? This book includes the behind-the-scenes scoop—references in essays and a timetable in Appendix 1 —about how and why I wrote and published my award-winning memoir, Undertow: My Escape from the Fundamentalism and Cult Control of The Way International. This is particularly valuable to readers of Undertow who tell me they are now working on memoirs about their own experiences in The Way International, which is still in business and actively recruiting. Porch is NOT only for writers From the book’s cover: Edge’s prose is crisp and to the point, her voice discerning yet collegial, speaking friend to friend, as she shares stories, realizations, and moments of beauty. More than 30 essays on the writing life and craft Charlene’s short stories and poems illustrating essay topics — some of these were published and won prizes Nourishing insights from well-known authors and poets Recommended books for writing memoir, poetry, fiction, and travel stories Beginning with “Readers Become Writers” and ending with “If You Want to Keep Writing,” Edge’s encouraging and gentle book highlights the vistas, detours, and delights on the writing path, along with truths we can all apply to poetry, prose, and life. To order your personalized, signed copy of From the Porch to the Page Email me at crledge@earthlink.net In the Subject line, write PORCH. I’ll reply with specific instructions. Offer ends: September 30, 2023 Thanks for reading! Your writer on the wing, Charlene YouTube presentation - book launch for From the Porch to the Page. Website: https://charleneedge.com YouTube presentation on Undertow: CHARLENE L. EDGE –Author “A Cult Insider’s Story” – YouTube

The above post was intended to reach anyone writing their cult story. Also, here's my new blog about a free Zoom event featuring an escapee from FDLS. FREE Zoom Event: Lalich Center on Cults and Coersion | Charlene L. Edge (charleneedge.com)

To this question, chockfull said "No." In my view, the answer can be "Yes and No." Just saying "no" is a sweeping generalization, which I think disregards the individual journeys that many of us were on in our quest to know, love, and serve God. Yes, certainly VPW made himself the authority on the bible and the center of the organization, and yes, the Way Tree organization grew into a heirarchy of mostly men giving commands and expecting obedience, but there are other things to remember, at least about some of us who were searching for a way to fulfill our part in the body of Christ and for "truth." This was real for me and for a lot of other people throughout the years. From my experience in 1970 when I was recruited to The Way at the East Carolina Univ. fellowship, it sure looked to me as if there was "some hype and commitment to the underlying Word of God ..." as Rocky put it. Not sure what the "underlying Word of God" means, but for me, I got hooked on the bible teachings presented as "the accurate Word of God" and the chance to make a commitment to a life pleasing to God, living according to teachings aimed at "building virtue," (again, something Rocky wrote) for instance axioms found in the Book of Ecclesiastes, and in Proverbs, and in the N.T. In my memoir, Undertow, I try to show I was one of those people who joined not for the chance to have power over other people, but as I put it at the end of the first chapter, "Hiding in Plain Sight": "On the drive home, nudging my car through the snowstorm, I leapt from one memory to another, ashamed that I allowed myself to get sucked into The Way, and that Wierwille used me to spread his propaganda. Dr. Schaffer, an unexpected humanitarian, held me steady for the moment, but I feared for my mental health, even my physical well-being. I’d discovered The Way’s underbelly, bloody-black and swollen with greed, and nothing could make me stay. In the beginning, I only wanted to know, love, and serve God and understand the Bible. What harm could that possibly bring?" Hiding-in-Plain-Sight.pdf Hiding-in-Plain-Sight.pdf

Are you writing your cult story? Do you want to learn about memory and the art of writing memoir? Numerous books, seminars, and podcasts are available on that topic, including one huge favorite of mine by Judith Barrington, Writing the Memoir: A practical guide to the craft, personal challenges, and ethical dilemmas of writing your true stories. HOWEVER a surprising source that gave me some in-depth understanding abiout memory and writing memories is a book by Bart D. Ehrman about the New Testament: Jesus Before the Gospels: How the Earliest Christians Remembered, Changed, and Invented Their Stories of the Savior. A bit from the introduction: "... there are forty to sixty-five years separating Jesus' death and our earliest accounts of his life, and we need to know what was happening to the memories of Jesus precisely during that time gap. I approach these questions from fields of study that I have never written about before and that many New Testament scholars have simply never explored, including cognitive psychology, cultural anthropology, and sociology. The intriguing research done in these other fields can help us unpack some of the greatest mysteries confronting both scholars of the New Testament and general readers: what can we know about the man Jesus and about how--and why--the memories of Jesus were altered in the years before the Gospels were produced?" Try it. You might like it. Attached is the FREE first chapter of Undertow, also available on my website at https://charleneedge.com Cheers! Hiding-in-Plain-Sight.pdf

What's the reason for using the incorrect abbreviation, PLAF, for the name of Wierwille's Bible class, which was Power for Abundant Living? (PFAL) Folks who read posts here who were not in The Way find things like that (also things like "Way Corpse" instead of Way Corps) confusing and incomprehensible. Just saying...

One of the best sources I have found on this topic of control is Robert Jay Lifton's little but powerful book: Losing Reality: On cults, cultism, and the mindset of polititcal and religious zealotry "Lifton has spent decades exploring psychological extremism. His pioneering concept of the "Eight Deadly Sins" of ideological totalism--originally devised to identify "brainwashing" (or "thought reform") in political movements--has been widely quoted in writings about cults, and embraced by members and former members of religious cults seeking to undertstand their experiences." When I gave my presentation "A Cult Insider's Story," which was recorded and is on YouTube, I discussed Lifton's work. The guy wearing the red scarf, introduces me:

Charity, to answer your question: "but a child being told he/she must greet "all" older people with a kiss on the lips which then opened a door for being sexual abused is atrocious. Was this expectation for children of the corps?" My answer: I am Charlene Lamy Edge, author of my cult memoir, Undertow. I was in the 2nd Way Corps, 1971-1973, held at Way HQ in Ohio, run by VPW himself, and I escaped HQ in 1987. VPW never forced this kind of kiss on me, although after I left The Way, I learned that he and his brother Harry did that to other women, as recounted by Kristen Skedgell in her memoir, Losing The Way. There was a teaching that referred to a Scripture that said to greet one another with a holy kiss, but in my experience that was a kiss on the cheek. This kiss on the mouth business was NEVER taught to us back then, nor were we told to force our kids to do it! I do not know who originated this practice. I have a child who was born in 1975 when I was a Way leader. She was 12 when we escaped HQ in 1987. Thankfully, she never was subjected to that kind of male behavior in The Way, for which I am eternally grateful, but believe me, I am heartbroken over those innocents who were. I think we know by now here at GSC that Way-promoted practices of all sorts depended on your geographical location in The Way org., who your local leader was, what teachings were circulating (there never was a "quality control" process to monitor in what ways things were taught), the time period during which you were involved in The Way, and your own personal decisions. Like any sensible person hearing this story, I am infuriated by the damage done as described by this woman on the podcast. As awful as it is to hear it, we need it and others like it, to gain understanding and heal.

Another survivor testimony, this one from a 2nd gen. Way org. then offshoot survivor: https://m.soundcloud.com/indoctrinationshow/mark-avoid-w-em-thomas?ref=clipboard&p=i&c=0&si=10E753EC055A4873A9843355FD563C52

Along these lines, another great read on the topic is Stephen Prothero's book, American Jesus: How the Son of God Became a National Hero. From the description: "Jesus the Black Messiah; Jesus the Jew; Jesus the Hindu sage; Jesus the Haight-Asbury hippie: these Jesuses join the traditional figure of Jesus Christ in American Jesus, which was acclaimed upon publication in hardcover as an altogether fresh exploration of American history--and as the liveliest book about Jesus to appear in English in years."

Along these lines, for a while on my blog I wrote posts in a series called "Fundamentalist Fridays." Here's one about Christian Nationalism, which has become more front-and-center in this country than when I wrote this post in 2017. Enjoy! christian nationalism.pdf

Yes, there was an OED in the research room.

Along these lines, I think of the philosopher Hereclitus saying the only thing for certain is change. Something like that. Speaking of change ... here's a little peek into Way archives: 25th Way Anniversary brochure. Notice the PFAL "endorsement" quotes, especially one by W*alter C*ummins. 1443088419_25thannivTWI.pdf

By the way, one thing I like about The End of Biblical Studies is the well researched information about the many Bible companies, university classes on the Bible, and the tons of Christian churches promoting Bibles that keep the cycle of studying ancient Scriptures going to the exlusion of other writings. I think it's good to read a book before we criticize or discard it. During my post-Way journey, I learned I could actually live a good, ethical, and valualbe life without reading or staying hooked on the Bible. That's just me. I realized VPW had brainwashed me into thinking I could not live without "The Bible," (that term is meaningless because there are so many kinds of versions of Bibles there isn't just one Bible). I found I had been addicted to having a Bible be the centerpiece of my life. I let myself consider the fact that there were millions of good people over centuries and centuries who lived loving and productive lives before there were ever any Bibles in existence. This is not to say there aren't many good and valuable lessons found in Bibles. For myself, I just had to acknowledge what these Bibles were before I attached value to them. Finally, I stepped back and saw that Bibles are anthologies of ancient writings by men, arranged in a certain order, which can vary. So, too, does content of Bibles vary. I asked myself whether they were helpful for me today? In what way are they useful to modern man? Just for the record, here's where I'm "at" these days: Charlene’s Post-Cult Nonreligious Alternative | Charlene L. Edge (charleneedge.com)

Love that quote from Alan Watts. His work has meant a lot to me over the years.

Maybe used bookstores have it. I checked Thriftbooks but it's temporarily out. https://www.thriftbooks.com/w/the-end-of-biblical-studies_hector-avalos/1416702/?resultid=8e764add-041d-40c4-a0e5-ba8d9d9e1ed3#edition=5687681

Sounds like a question for Walt*r Cumm*ns, the one VPW put in charge of "biblical research."

Speaking of cherry picking definitions, what would happen if folks just quit doing "word studies" and let words sit in their own context where you can see how they are used? For those seriously interested in a radical change regarding "biblical studies," one enlightening book is The End of Biblical Studies by Victor Avalos. Give it a try. It shows how Bible companies keep the cycle going, and much more.

Glad to hear Undertow helped you, Logicisgreatstuff. Your generation of Wayfers is near and dear to my heart, since my daughter was 12 years old when we escaped HQ. She reminds me that I said over and over that I wrote Undertow for your generation, since most (certainly not all) in mine were/are too brainwashed to consider reading it. By the way, logic, too, is near and dear to my heart. One of my favorite college courses post-TWI was Symbolic Logic. Cheers!

I remember when that "show" was put on in the WOW auditorium. OMG. We in research were rolling our eyes, or rather puking behind the scenes because we knew the "research" behind it was bogus. So did WJC, but he didn't confront LCM about it, just let it go ... one more nail in the coffin as far as I was concerned. I include details about this in Undertow. It was definitely a turning point. Ugh. Found out later, including in the well researched book,The Cult That Snapped, that there was much "hanky panky" going on with cast members, some strong testimonies in the book regarding LCM and the woman who played "the seed of the serpent." Disgusting and very sad, indeed.

Oldskool, it was complicated. Back in 1971 when I was in summer school at HQ, lots of us went to Adolf's Restaurant on the main drag in N.K. for beer or a sandwich. Adolf waited on us himself and we developed a nice rapor. In a newspaper article in about 1974 or 75 that mainly featured a ROA event, Adolph was interviewed and said some nice things about Way believers. I have that article somewhere buried in a box of stuff I referred to when writing Undertow. Too lazy at the moment to dig it out... Of course, I'm sure Adolph didnt mind the influx of money coming in from Way folks, escpecially during the first ROA in 1971. Later, while in the Corps 1971-1973, we continued to pour our tiny bit of allowance money (we got $20 a month for notepaper, shampoo, etc.) into eating there once in a while, although VPW preferred we "stay on grounds" with "the household of believers." So he started cooking hamburgers on a grill outside his house for us, taking away our excuse for going into town. Anything to keep us from interacting with outsiders who might ask too many questions, although we were supposed to "witness" to them and bring them to Sunday night services. At least once, some rowdies from town raced down Wierwille Rd. in a car and shot a hole in the Welcome sign down at the corner of Highway 29 and Wierwille Rd. It's the odd, round Way sign featured on the cover of The Cult That Snapped by Karl Kahler. So that didn't help relations with the town. But neither did VPW help keep things friendly, because he railed against church ministers there. Flash forward to 1984-1987 when I worked at HQ. Many of us on staff had kids in the public school in N.K., and ironically, some of the town kids were nicer to my daughter, for instance, than Way kids because Way kids put pressure on her to "witness" to the townies and she felt uncomfortable with that. I learned this from her AFTER we escaped. Oh, one more thing. Before the Executive Office Building was built in 1973 or maybe late 1972, while in the Corps, we had to do our laundry off grounds. The closest laundromat was in St. Mary's, so we "interacted" with locals there, but only to "witness to them," at least that was my experience. Not sure what else may have been going on with locals over the years ... That's all that comes to mind, just now.

To keep things interesting on this thread ... here's one of my blog posts at https://charleneedge.com dated: May 10, 2018. It's a letter from a pastor in New Knoxville, OH. Echo in New Knoxville, Ohio: Minister Reads Undertow | Charlene L. Edge (charleneedge.com)