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This thread is on the book Undertow it is not on the book Homo Deus

This thread is about cults and their similarity of operation to TWI. It is not about ants or the struggle of humanity as a broad topic. Please keep comments on topic.

All right spongebob. I'm out. Talk to yourself

Ok if it's not against GSC terms to pick at my posts and you will not agree to any modifications of your approach then I guess GSC is going to read a lot of me telling you what I think of that approach.

Calm down. Nobody is demanding anything. I was answering a question directly. Your post does seem to reflect what you have quoted in bold pretty well. The reason you would manipulate would be within yourself nothing to do with me at all. It might have to do with the stats showing you have 14,000 plus posts when nobody else has even half that many. I have noticed and did mention this to you that whenever the frequency of my posting increases so does the frequency of you correcting, contradicting or attacking my posts basically. So maybe your perceived status on this site threatened or I don’t even care enough to need to know why. I just know when the behavior occurs I am not caving in to it any more. I was speaking in general terms regarding why I would care.

When I was a teenager and love bombed by the WOWs I was 100% blissfully ignorant. I would have to say over time and conditioning that turned into willful ignorance. Those two categories 100% still exist today.

I have no concerns to need to start a new thread. I was answering a direct question. Or maybe a rhetorical one depending on how it was presented 100%. If that triggers you then maybe you should ask yourself why.

Because it would be a real response that could have personal insight in the subject matter. The more authentic you are the more you are believable. Why I would care is that as an introvert I desire real connection and fake or inauthentic connection is irritating to me.

My struggle with mine was avoiding the bondage that a fundamentalist Christian view brings and avoiding cult negative other impact. Looking back I’m sure I could have been a better parent. I keep talking to my kids though so it’s not over yet.

So after rereading some of all this your post here comes off like this is your personal story that was published in a paper. It took reading through a couple times to determine that is not the case. Your personal backstory which people can find on this site is you went through a contentious divorce heavily negatively influenced by the Way and relations to your one child were strained but now are healed over. Did you have any detail to comment on this topic from your personal story?

Yeah that’s how the BOD gets their cardio. Whitewashing uphill. I mean doubling down on his material has to be the most illogical choice of all the possible choices available. I mean Rico at least has new class names. From what I hear though the content is all basically derived from our common root and even has quirky personal traits similar to how VP had all of those things that people would copy like “Thots right” in a low tone voice. Homiletics and plagiarism. Yes GenZ is not filling up the empty seats in the auditorium for sure they are used to questioning more which is a good thing. I see hope for the future in my kids but they make similar mistakes to me when young. That’s another reason to distance from cults. I don’t need a generational repeat complete with shunning. I hope bad news gets around - I mean the public news cycle is very negative. But they get info directly from police blotters and FOIA requests and don’t have a BOD getting cardio by whitewashing uphill obscuring much of the story.

With some victims it is possible that maintaining some form of rationalization for the past actions is necessary for them not to experience a psychotic break. I am sorry for what happened to her and the extremity of what was necessary to live with it. I look at the Nexim cult as to the extremity of what goes on with manipulation and control in the sex categories. TWI will have varying degrees of that going on, or at least did in the past. I don’t think the current leadership acts that way but they are heavily invested in covering up VPs faults there because they have doubled down on his class PFAL Today.

I feel like you pick at me to the point you can no longer logically defend your posts, then you bail. Leave it wherever you want to.

No more than yours was.

Oh so you CAN’T explain how your statement fulfills the characteristics of an “I” statement? Interesting…

This is an “I” statement. It is totally not about Rocky and Stayed. Did you know gaslighting and lying are kissing cousins? https://www.happierhuman.com/gaslighting-vs-lying-wa1/#:~:text=%235.-,Lying is a tactic to hide the truth while gaslighting,the case with compulsive lying.

Cool. Can you clarify how your post about definition #1 is really an “I” statement? I didn’t read much “I” in it. It was mostly about what you were not saying about me. Plus the gaslighting def #1. The only thing I felt was representative of the post you linked to about the “I” statement was you saying it was an “I” statement. The content was not congruent to me.

Yes the post was not on this thread but another. So? I suppose you could search for “apologize” and find it quickly. It may only appear once or twice in your 14,000 post history. Thanks for the well wishes. I don’t know what is going on inside your head. Just what you post.

I guess I need to go quote your post here too? Go review the post where you supposedly apologized and read it again. Like Stayed who first claimed to never have said “started”? After reading the “I” statement article what I can say is “I feel like you two are gaslighting me because you deny previous posts and call them inadvertent mistakes and you forget and mischaracterize the content of previous posts to make yourselves look better”

So rather than cherry picking the definition why don’t you link the reference? https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/gaslighting Also if you actually read the entire article in Psychology today it’s real easy to identify the tactics I am mentioning getting people to doubt their own memory by feeding them misinformation.

What is an “I” statement and how do you distinguish it from sounding you are talking directly about the person you are posting about? The easy question is “then why did you post it in the context of an argument except to infer association”? Does an “I” statement mean that you are the one that represents the definition you posted?

Stayed I can’t copy your Bs from inside the box to answer. It’s so tedious to respond when you post like that where I can’t quote your post. It does obscure what you say so that you can deny it later. I find a number of those examples. So tldr on the last one. Yes both you clowns are performing #2 definition right here. And you’re both triggered. You both are highly manipulative posters. Rocky your apology was for contradicting me which 100% of the audience knows that wasn’t what I called you out on. And in the same post as your “apology” you called out my mental health in question. So you and your apology can ride out on the same horse.

Oh look the gangs all here I was going by Merriam Webster dictionary definition #2 “the act or practice of grossly misleading someone especially for one’s own advantage” But thanks for playing. PS I don’t buy your BS about inadvertently making mistakes. You know exactly what you are doing posting BS

Hey anybody that technically performs the act of gaslighting is gaslighting. It sounds like you were triggered by hearing the definition of it. Maybe you wanna blame your good buddy Merriam Webster.

Yeah. You don’t read apparently which adds to the issues. Look back at your first response to me 3 posts up and tell me one more time how it’s my imagination you used the word “started” . It’s real hard to miss it’s the 9th word of your post. Just to point out - when something real occurs but you deny it and accuse it being in someone’s imagination, that practice is called “gaslighting”