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Yes I can confirm the email list blast on this postcard. And that they aren’t sending me one lol. Interesting. They are keeping the history of the ministry accurate with their depictions I see. What do they want to portray? The FBus with PFlappy on the side. Do I want to be part of the “movement”? You know the Christian movement where they steal classes act like rock stars and drug and have sex with groupies on a tour bus? Sounds like a movement for leisure suit Larry boomers I’ll pass.

Reviewing this again. My comments are the topic of the trinity within the context of theologians outside of the TWI sphere of influence is complex and nuanced. VPW dumbed it down to a single linear plane view that contains none of these nuances. Then he attacked that perceived Trinity definition with very shoddy explanations for any seeming contradictions. And published a book with a confrontational title. 30 years later followers of the Way, splinter groups, and ex members pretty much still buy into his logic. Arrogant and prideful they elevate themselves above their brothers and sisters in Christ and have made up more perversions of scripture calling Christs body which spans all Christians in I Corinthians as inessential and “household” as the defining boundary around functional Christianity. The true intent of those inventing these perversions is personal gain and control. By these false doctrines they draw away followers of Jesus Christ and isolate them away from other Christians and control them.

He was too busy with creative writing magnifying his trip. First he had to do the key to the city story, then he had to make up the account like Jesus of the man with the withered hand on the train. After that he had to publish his attack on the denominations outreach work in 3rd world countries. After that he had to start a ministry ahead of any disciplinary board convened to talk about his paper and his affair with his secretary. He was just too busy of a guy to teach all the orientalist culture stuff. Besides he could just get Bishop Pillai to do all that work and steal it.

Didn’t say I wasn’t interested in the topic just that it’s off topic and to discuss it on a new thread. You acknowledged in a subsequent post but all posters didn’t read that.

I find certain characteristics of different cults remind me of TWI. The whole Plaffy witnessing running classes to me reminds me of the JWs and their dogged determination to “witness” meaning putting a watchtower pub in someone's hands or referring someone to JW.org that seems pretty similar. The Mormons have all their positions as voluntary like bishops and Q70 or Q12 but demand the tithe out of followers. That to me is similar to the Way how they handle staffing and money. The Way Corps to me seems a lot like Scientology’s Sea Org. A billion year commitment to making the world “clear”. Using people paying them nothing shuffling them around doing the bidding of LRH or Miscavidge. So to me The Way seems like a blend of a number of cult tactics and characteristics. Like a cult souffle.

I enjoyed reading the reviews on Undertow. And the interaction with Karl. Thanks.

Good perhaps if it is important to pay attention to you should start a thread on that topic

This thread is on the book Undertow it is not on the book Homo Deus

This thread is about cults and their similarity of operation to TWI. It is not about ants or the struggle of humanity as a broad topic. Please keep comments on topic.

All right spongebob. I'm out. Talk to yourself

Ok if it's not against GSC terms to pick at my posts and you will not agree to any modifications of your approach then I guess GSC is going to read a lot of me telling you what I think of that approach.

Calm down. Nobody is demanding anything. I was answering a question directly. Your post does seem to reflect what you have quoted in bold pretty well. The reason you would manipulate would be within yourself nothing to do with me at all. It might have to do with the stats showing you have 14,000 plus posts when nobody else has even half that many. I have noticed and did mention this to you that whenever the frequency of my posting increases so does the frequency of you correcting, contradicting or attacking my posts basically. So maybe your perceived status on this site threatened or I don’t even care enough to need to know why. I just know when the behavior occurs I am not caving in to it any more. I was speaking in general terms regarding why I would care.

When I was a teenager and love bombed by the WOWs I was 100% blissfully ignorant. I would have to say over time and conditioning that turned into willful ignorance. Those two categories 100% still exist today.

I have no concerns to need to start a new thread. I was answering a direct question. Or maybe a rhetorical one depending on how it was presented 100%. If that triggers you then maybe you should ask yourself why.

Because it would be a real response that could have personal insight in the subject matter. The more authentic you are the more you are believable. Why I would care is that as an introvert I desire real connection and fake or inauthentic connection is irritating to me.

My struggle with mine was avoiding the bondage that a fundamentalist Christian view brings and avoiding cult negative other impact. Looking back I’m sure I could have been a better parent. I keep talking to my kids though so it’s not over yet.

So after rereading some of all this your post here comes off like this is your personal story that was published in a paper. It took reading through a couple times to determine that is not the case. Your personal backstory which people can find on this site is you went through a contentious divorce heavily negatively influenced by the Way and relations to your one child were strained but now are healed over. Did you have any detail to comment on this topic from your personal story?

Yeah that’s how the BOD gets their cardio. Whitewashing uphill. I mean doubling down on his material has to be the most illogical choice of all the possible choices available. I mean Rico at least has new class names. From what I hear though the content is all basically derived from our common root and even has quirky personal traits similar to how VP had all of those things that people would copy like “Thots right” in a low tone voice. Homiletics and plagiarism. Yes GenZ is not filling up the empty seats in the auditorium for sure they are used to questioning more which is a good thing. I see hope for the future in my kids but they make similar mistakes to me when young. That’s another reason to distance from cults. I don’t need a generational repeat complete with shunning. I hope bad news gets around - I mean the public news cycle is very negative. But they get info directly from police blotters and FOIA requests and don’t have a BOD getting cardio by whitewashing uphill obscuring much of the story.

With some victims it is possible that maintaining some form of rationalization for the past actions is necessary for them not to experience a psychotic break. I am sorry for what happened to her and the extremity of what was necessary to live with it. I look at the Nexim cult as to the extremity of what goes on with manipulation and control in the sex categories. TWI will have varying degrees of that going on, or at least did in the past. I don’t think the current leadership acts that way but they are heavily invested in covering up VPs faults there because they have doubled down on his class PFAL Today.

I feel like you pick at me to the point you can no longer logically defend your posts, then you bail. Leave it wherever you want to.

No more than yours was.

Oh so you CAN’T explain how your statement fulfills the characteristics of an “I” statement? Interesting…

This is an “I” statement. It is totally not about Rocky and Stayed. Did you know gaslighting and lying are kissing cousins? https://www.happierhuman.com/gaslighting-vs-lying-wa1/#:~:text=%235.-,Lying is a tactic to hide the truth while gaslighting,the case with compulsive lying.

Cool. Can you clarify how your post about definition #1 is really an “I” statement? I didn’t read much “I” in it. It was mostly about what you were not saying about me. Plus the gaslighting def #1. The only thing I felt was representative of the post you linked to about the “I” statement was you saying it was an “I” statement. The content was not congruent to me.

Yes the post was not on this thread but another. So? I suppose you could search for “apologize” and find it quickly. It may only appear once or twice in your 14,000 post history. Thanks for the well wishes. I don’t know what is going on inside your head. Just what you post.