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Guppy Outreach, man. If you see green when you say Way, you just might be a diseyeple. ;)-->

This may be comparing apples and raisins, but a chorale/group gang that I really like is "Hillsongs" out of Autstralia. Darlene Zschech is the soloist/leader behind the music of this church, although they've branched out in to a number of groups and soloists. Darlene kicks some serious musical buttt. "Shout to the Lord" is probably her best known Christian song. In contrast to the Weigh's current music, here's the lyric to a Hillsongs tune "Free to Dance". This song bops at a nice clip, a rock/pop kind of thing. It contains a lot of quotable quotes, stuff that sounds familiar, but the message is one of joyous celebration. And these guys can celebrate their faith. We've seen them, and my daughter's been down to Australia twice for their summer music programs. We're not members, just appreciators. I feel like these guys are the Real Deal, they mean it and they're doin' it. There's a lot of Real Deal's out there, just waiting to be heard. :)--> "Free to Dance" This song in my heart, this song in my soul This song I was born to sing It's Your song of freedom, now I'm free to dance again. I'll sing in the darkness, I'll laugh in the rain Rejoice in Your love again. It's Your song of freedom, now I'm free to dance again Your Spirit brings me liberty Your breath of life has set me free Chorus: Jesus, Your love, it lifts me high Gives me reason to run this race with joy This song within me, Lord, will bless Your Holy name. Jesus, I'll dance before Your throne Bring this heavenly sound to You alone This song within me. Lord, will bless Your Holy name! Dance? Dance.

;)--> ;)--> Glad you liked that! The Singing Ladies could do his flip side (pun intended)..."Who's Your Mommy!?" :D-->

:D--> No, but they could probably slip in and no one there would notice, I bet. It was the way all the lyrics came across to me. Bland, redundnat statements, that's pretty much the way the song lyrics strike me.

But I wonder, how come it's all ladies in the main group? The guitar player's there, and there's a couple guys, but the lineup is all female. What's up widdat? Why Singing Ladies? Why not the Bellowing Boys, or the Screaming Mixed Singles or the Gaily Galluping Guys? I have so many questions....

Well, JT, those videos exemplify that. It's a view in to Way World. I highly recommend that they visit some clothing shops in Dayton and invest in some spongy, polyester suits for the men though. Something in burgundy or gray, and get some puffy shirts to go with them. That'll get 'em sweatin'. :D--> Not to beat a dead gecko, but the lyrics - who's writing this stuff? "We go to the bible and we Read from the pages all the Words that are there and then We know what we read is what We read when we read and because We read it and now we said it And that settles that we read it Since it said what we read and then we...." I dunno. I shouldn't make fun. But I do. Spank my buttt and call me Judy. I'm fun'd out. Can't go back to that site again, brain cells need recharging. I'll stop. But the tweezey synth strings...Naw, won't go there.

"Denny Crane"

Ex10, he was working! :D--> JT, that's really interesting. It's so weird. Why in the world would individual performances be eliminated? The individual isn't able to do anything without the household. It's the Buddy-System from He[[. So, were there any musical performances released by the Way in the last 10 years or so? Any awl-bums? CD's?

CW, those missing lines are: "He clothed them with spirit" "And now the Word's written for me and you" "More than silver and gold" Now that I look at them, it's encouraging to see grammar like "me and you". Me and you is accepted language, but it never use to fly in Way written materials, edited for the more correct "you and I". Oh my. Next thing it'll be "y'all". The Way doctrine forms an adjunct to true Christian teaching, IMO. Rather than a whole synergistic view of all the elements of believing in and following Christ, it offers a piece of it - the bible - as "the revealed Word of God", worthy of study and belief. It's the message(s) within that tell of the reality however. Most of the bible is a history book - what happened and to some degree what it meant. The Way chooses to view it as if it's frozen in time. The "written logos" has a purpose. To focus solely on it is akin to becoming like, say, monks who hole up in the hills somewhere, celibate and silent for a lifetime and never uttering a word, in order to find true inner communion with God, a "holy" life. That lifestyle takes a part of a godly life and eliminates all other aspects in favor of the a few. Likewise with the Way, IMO. It accounts for the disfunctional family environemnt that they produce. God place His "logos" above His name. Do we worship the package or the contents?

Catcup... time and opportunity, time and opportunity.

Stepford Choir! :D--> There should be a disclaimer before you load the videos - "Warning - Repeated viewings may induce the urge to do bad cha-cha steps!" The frightening part (and it is frightening to me - the looks in their eyes) is the ease with which they roll through their steps. "Okay, people! We've got an hour, let's make it count! Leave your brain at the door, there's no need for it. Start at the top, here we go! One-two, up and roll, three-four, back and stroll, One-two, up and roll, three-four, back and stroll,One-two, up and roll, three-four, back and stroll, stop! Stand...lift...arm....hold....hold....release! Smile...One-two, up and roll, three-four, back and stroll, One-two, up and roll, three-four, back and stroll,One-two, up and roll, three-four, back and stroll.......you in the back, smile! SMILE!!!! DAMMIT! We've got another non-smiler here! Crack that box open, get me another Smiler! Keep moving people, keep it moving!"

Skyride, I can't find that thread you're quoting from in your initial post. Which one is it? Catcup has a point - if people can be "stolen", maybe they weren't that good to begin with. Anyone truly rooted in the prevailing truth wouldn't be stolen would they? No, they'd be valiant champions of the truth, right? LCM went to so much trouble getting rid of all the losers in the 90's, maybe he just missed a few. I'd think they'd be happy at getting some mop up housecleaning, no charge. It's like they're outsourcing their own pruning. Only the strong will survive and that's what they like. Nice beefy, strong ones. And really, churches like the Way are like businesses anyway and businesses do fight for their slice of the market. It's no wonder if there are still mean-istries fighting over the people of the Way. Far from being sheep, they're treated like beef. Cows. Steers. Moo-moo's. Rustle a few strays, put together a li'l herd of your own, ya gotta right nice spread.

As always, very strange. What's the difference between "Current News" and "What's New"? That's a lot of new, y'know? Of interest - Claudette Royal's on the first video in the list. Now that I've watched these videos over a period of time, I've nailed down something I couldn't quite articulate upon first viewing. It's what seems to be the primary message of the performances - absence of individuality and identity. Anyone else notice this? It's more than the constantly matched dance steps and body movements, although that's a big part of it. It's more the obvious self-satisfaction that goes along with them as if the performers are gleefully saying "see? we're all doing the same thing...!" There's a hammer-like bludgeoning of the point, over and over and over. It's very weird, as if the message is "there will be no individual accomplishment here, no processes completed that aren't decided in advance". And what's acceptable is what you see, over and over and over. The smiles are as real as the practiced steps. The enthusiasm has all the depth of the number of times the routines were practiced. Interesting.

Class Mammon Trivia - the 1972 WOW program introduced a class "rebate" program. That year for a couple months, if you signed someone up for the class, you got 20 bucks back. Cash money, to the WOW that registered the person. Experiment. Try it out. See if it floats. Didn't float. Although not always promoted, PFAL had a money-back garawntee. If you weren't fully satisfied, you get your money back. Just ask. If you're not happy, we don't want it. Anyone remember that? I gave a refund once and the reaction from the limb was - you'd have thought it was like Peter asking Judas for a loan. But it was, in fact, the policy. I did a PFAL Public Ex once. VPW showed up and did about 20 minutes, he was on the road, was in town, showed up. As he was going through and talking about registering he leaned over to a guy in the front row and said "And sir, if you're not 100% satisfied with the answers you receive in this class, you can have your money back. That's YOUR satsifaction, sir. If you're not, you'll get your money back".

That's it! Thanks Catcup. I remember Jerry now. He was tonsorially challenged before many of us. :D--> I never took the thing seriously, there were always flavor-of-the-year things like that. Steed, books. Something or other. But I should talk. "Wanna buy an album?" :P--> Door to door - one year I got our fellowship together and got out a map of the town we were in and started talking about "W.O.W." What's that? How do I know when we get there? Is it a commission or a goal? Waddizdat? I"d been "thinking" about the whole WOW thing since the 70's but it was getting harder and harder to actually discuss the topic. Just sign 'em up and shut up, please. So we started going door to door, and had fun. The idea was, we'll try it, and if it sucks we'll stop. No one, including me, was thrilled about marching up to someone's door and interrupting them watching Starsky and Hutch, god forbid, but we figured it might be fun. AND the side benefit - we'd mark off the streets on the map as we went. Yellow marker lines all over that baby. At some point if we continued, we'd have every street covered. So at least we'd have some sense of accomplishment, much needed in the early 80's as the Way Tree bureaucracy was being taken over by briefcase toting mooks. So we had something that was measurable and doable. It was an experiment. Maybe if we actually went out and talked to people in a way that allowed for us to meet people, that'd be a step towards understanding what we were really trying to do ... which was, what was that ... ? Door to door wasn't ideal, but it was a brief start for us to see what we wanted to do. We covered most of the town. It was a lot of fun, met some people along the way that were really nice, had adventures, exploits. Y'know, we were gettin' 'er done! :D--> After the first night we tried it I was ready to put it to a vote - continue or not? Everyone was too busy buzzing about who they'd met, what they'd talked about and their own plans to get back together with people that it was obvious, we'll give it a shot for awhile. So we did. For a couple months it had a life of it's own. I never mentioned it to the Area coordinator where we lived, he heard about it from other people. At first he was for it, and people were getting all scared yikes! we'll have tod do it next! Soon enough he was making cracks about us - "We need to witness but it's not like we have to go door to door every night!" Which was typical. We didn't go every night, and we didn't even go every week after awhile. It evolved into something else on it's own. At no time was anyone coerced to do it. We joked about our own feelings about doing it, for gods sake. But it was in sharp contrast to the sit-on-your-*** attitude of Way tree leadership who usually had "Mangement Ministries" devoted to planning everyone else's lives, as opposed to "Get Out and Actually Do Something" ministries. -------------------- pea s tbe word a$$ was a$$stricked out by the board, thank goodness, I went nutz there for a minute. Sorry, buut that kind of fowl language is for the birds and I'm glad it got marked out. I lost my mynd for a sec.

Yeah, the book sales TSRTS. There was a guy, nice guy, can't remember the name - Gary? He'd put together a door to door sales program himself one year. He bought the books from the Way, sold them door to door and made a buck or so, not much as I recall. But it was a combo witness and sales thing. Entre' to people and a great way to move the books. What's not to like, right? All I remember is he was brought in to talk about his idea to the corps at one point, and it was laid out as a possible way to "move the Word". Some people tried it, for a bit it was the hot topic. I think he had a little business going for awhile. In essence, not a terrible way to make a buck although I don't think a lot of bucks were made from the idea. It didn't really embed itself though as I recall. This happened with various ideas all the time. Like the PFAL "public ex" meetings, and the orientation meetings. Someone would figure something out, like hey let's get everyone that's coming in to the class together for a semi-formal prep meeting to make sure everything's set for everyone. Hey, that worked great! Then it would get trucked out the following year as the latest Hot Thing and ground in to a program. Rules would follow. "Guidelines". Expectations. Punishment for non-performance, glorious rewards and advancement for the successful. All because someone decided one time to have cookies instead of cake at class break or lay out the songbooks to the right instead of the left or something. Class costs - 25 bucks when I took it. 50 if you wanted all the books, PFAL, RTHST and the "collaterals", a gazillion little pocket sized booklets. It got up to 200 bucks at some point in the 80's.

Hi Catcup! Yes, that was the scenario, for a lot of us I'm sure. Money? oh, yeah. Money. How's this gonna work again? It will, don't worry. We'll make it work! The trailers weren't a bad idea, once it went in to motion but looking back, it was, as usual, half baked in implementation. Hooked up for months with electrical only, no working bathrooms, 80 or so people using two shower rooms in the EOB. If you liked locker rooms it was perfect. When it snowed, bundle up to shower. Shower with 20 or so of your best friends. Trudge back through the snow, change. Which was a big improvement over the previous bathroom/shower arrangments - the bathroom in the BRC, where there was a metal show stall. That was the earlier facilities the corps used before the EOB went in. When we were making the treks to Ohio, this all seemed like such a wonderful opportunity. Even at the tender age of 20, it was clear the Way didn't have all it's ducks in a row quacking. It was "quaint", but not together. PFAL had only been on film for a couple of years when I first went there. So it appeared for a few years like this was a unique time and place - a chance to be a part of building something good, at a time when a lot of building still needed to be done.

Older, smellier. But cooler. And much cooler than a talking automatron. :D--> I are talking my own words. I hope you get an answer here, Shaz. Perhaps some still-in stander will speak to your question. I promise not to queer their steer if they do. Trailers, John. Yes, the trailers. First brought in to house assorted 4th corps. They lined 'em up in the back parking lot west of the EOB, plugged them in and housed everyone through the summer and winter while the pads were laid and utilities ran for them. No water. But don't envy the souls who populated the Way Prod coach. What do you call 12 people in a big aluminum can moving at 65 mph? A bad laundry load. Trailer Trivia Factoid # 89: the 4th corps was the first group that had a lot of married couples, whole bunch. The year before the 4th corps came in, everyone received a letter announcing that they would have to bring...their own trailer housing. The Way Nash didn't have housing for everyone. So people had to plan to buy, transport and install their own. Details to follow. Howard Allen would be the contact. I worked in a trailer factory that winter, our WOW year, runnin' on the line putting in electrical outlets and wiring. So we contacted some friends going in and figured we'd split one. I could get a deal on one and actually had a pretty good idea of what we'd need. But those details were pretty sketchy coming back to us, and the $$$ was a minor concern. This went on for a couple months, and in the interim we paid a visit to the Way Nash and tried to figure out exactly where they'd be put, etc. "back there" was pretty much the response. Then we got another letter - forget it, the Way's buying modular housing and will be expanding to accomodate the numbers. Sort of. 4 couples, 8 people per trailer. But at least we had our own rooms, teeny weeny widdle rooms. So it still amazes me to this day that the Way accepted about 40 or so people into the program without a place to put them. --> Or for that matter, the uncompromised exuberance of youth that responded as if that was a perfectly acceptable idea. But current policies, someone, please! This is just the "on-hold" music!

Hmmm, there was also a "Zero" corps that was before the 1st corps, so-called because it failed so badly in VP's eyes, it demanded that history be rewritten so as to erase even the numerical reference to it. It was a first effort. I remember meeting a couple of the people in 1970 at the Way Nash at a SNS. I've got an old Way Mag around here somewhere with graduation photos in it. No Lynn's in that group, this group were pre-the-big-bang period. There were a couple of couples and a single or two. Not real big. Got canned, of course. Start over! Do it right! We'll do it right, this time! You're not really "corps" unless you've been canned at least once. The trick was getting out of the can.

Haven't you visited their site? Check out the videos. In addition to being very clean, it's very neat. Not neat as in "I met this guy and he's soooo neat!" or "Your butterfly tatoo! Oh, it's so neat!" but as in orderly. Every brick in a place for maximum blessing. Really, it's quite a place, in the videos. But there's all these, old people talking and wandering around. It's like, totally old y'know, like there's all these old people and y'know, I mean, they're so y'know completely like, just, all old and they're all talking old talk to other people that are really, just like, all old. And stuff.

If we don't get the 10 commandments, I think there's still value to having something like them posted in front of ANY government office, or anyplace that career politicians gather and pass...notably - thou shalt not lie thou shalt not steal thou shalt not screw your interns The list could go on.

John, I think we can call it "Tampy Bay Area Temp and Window Cleaning". :D--> Eagle, I have to admit, I joke with little or no actual experience. I am not and have never been a member of any ex-Way churches, societies or organizations, fraternal or otherwise. So I should make clear, if there's stealing going on you couldn't prove it by me. But I've "heard" of the tensions that go on within some of the groups, which I shall not name because I'm not exactly sure what their names are other than they're headed up and staffed by ex-Wayfers. And the stories are like milder versions of what went on in our Way-years (mine were pre-CraigIsGod years)- pressure to stay, to go, to get involved, to not leave, etc. etc. But without the heavy handed you're-going-to-non-household-he[[ if you do. More of a "this is right for your life at this time, I know it" kind of a limbonic thing, to swipe Excie's reference. There's a sense I get of - it's like rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. Lots of the same people manging off each other. I guess it's a natural concern, maybe. If you left the Way or got dumped, or dumped on, or even were a dumper AND a dumpee and you've left, there's places where you can go and maybe get more of what you expected the Way to be and less of what you really got in the end. For me, it's been better to cut that cord. I don't want what I had, in the context of a church or "ministry". I don't need that and would never offer it to someone else. But I guess I can see why some people might. It's a free country. Sort of. It's much easier to have good thoughts about people when there's no coercion and no unrealistic expectations. Except to be a little lovey if at all possible.

John Are, we'll do that! You guys're cool. Need some cool, dry weather. Got any of that? In a way, I respect the fact that some people would be willing to expose themselves to the filthy environment at the Way headquarters, to visit anything. It shows great strength. To have to be on the same land within a few yards of some of those goat-herders...it's something I decided a long time ago I wouldn't want to expose myself or my family to. Knowing their willingness to lie, change stories on a dime, follow the direction of anyone designated as a "spiritual leader"....nope. At best you're going to need a shower after breathing the same air as that bunch. But if a person wants to go that route, that's their decision. Doug is one person who was "there" for me at a time when not many were. So he and others who choose this route are in my prayers.

Garth - Person In Goo? :D-->

Here's a solution - maybe some of the ex-Wayfers could form a "People's Library", that is, an actual library of people that could be checked out and used as temp members. Sort of a church temp agency for churches! Yeah! That's it. "Attendance down? Hearing clink instead of swish in your collection plates...? Don't steal...borrow! You need people, we got 'em! Call the People's Library and Temp Services Agency! We can provide you with trained qualified professionals, fully prepared to make your meetings swell! And all for a low monthly fee! And that ain't all...don't take our word for it! Try our October Special... Check out (2) members on our 99.95 special and get (1) member FREE, any gender, age or core belief structure! Good through 12/31/04 only! :)--> I think this is going to be a money maker. Anyone want to get on board, do it now. This could be BIG! "don't steal...borrow...TODAY!"