Georgio Jessio

VPW used to say that he modeled the Way Corps after The Marine Corps. He wanted us to be "spiritual marines". A few questions: Did he accomplish that? Was that a god idea, in theory? Is there a web site for inactive Marines who complain about what is what like to be put down all the time, brainwashed and what a$$&ole superiors they had to deal with? Is the military a cult? Is it harmful to the enlisted like TWI was to us? My instant thought is that "we are not in a spiritual war (Onward Christian Soldiers), we are Atheletes of the Spirit." If that's true then why were we training like soldiers?

This looks interesting. Someday when I have more time I'll tell you about my run in with Ted Patrick.

This is so frustrating! I have found all of my Jr. Corps pals but Dawn. Where is she? Anyone from Hialeagha?

Radar, I went thru the same things. I think I'm qualified too. But yeah go nuts. I wasn't saying you couldn't state your opinion. I didn't ask for proof of your pain. I never doubted your qualifications. All I'm saying is that's YOUR story and it's not a scientific fact that one form of abuse is worse than another. My only point: I think it's best not to compare abuses. That's very personal and theres no one answer. There is no answer to the question: What kind of abuse is worse? I have no questions for you.

"personally, my opinion is that spiritual abuse is much worse than sexual abuse, it cuts deeper and its consequences are eternal." I think it's best not to compare abuses. That's very personal and theres no one answer. That's why I got irritated when waysurvivor said something to the tone of "You call yourself a survivior you know nothing". Why cuz I wasn't raped by men in robes? Why cuz spiritual abuse is worse than sexual abuse. See what I mean? Not mad at anyone just wanted to point out that comparing what's worse accomplishes nothing good :)-->

"I feel sorry for you. You are in denial about what goes on in the way." This is not how denial works. If someone doesn't belive a specific story, that doesn't mean they're in denial or that they don't belive abuse occured in TWI. geesh.

"I guess I thought that this was a support group like others I have been in that are for sexual abuse survivors. It is something that you would regularly see there." Well waysurvivor, the group therapy I went to actually discouraged giving graphic details. In a private session it was fine but in open session it was not ok. That's MY experience not saying yours wasn't different. The reason for not getting down to the NC 17 details is because it's really disturbing to a group of people who are all adealing with their own issues. Also some of the people in groups that deal with abuse are very sick and might actually find these details exciting, which doesn't help anyone. So, here in public I suggest that the details be kept to a somewhat tasteful roar.

From the Greek apoligikos meaning "to feel bad about one's actions and trying to make amends". This was interpreted in TWI as appalogikos, meaning "appalling or disturbing behavior" So, you see, this is all just a misunderstanding.

Eagle makes excellent points. If they were kinder and gentler they'd have us over for a kiss and make up sesssion. Or at least let Vics fam visit his grave.

The junior corps teens were at it too. There were never enough "rovers" to watch us all. It was basicly summer camp every night. You can't put that many teens together in close quarters, unsupervised, without something happening. I'm surprised there weren't (more?) teen pregnancies. This sometomes went on in or near the presence of adults. weird. oh and my wife is due on the ides of March. Beware!

Those of us from the 70's and 80's are still waiting for our apoligies!

Thanks guys. I am excited and terrified. I'll save the initiation and group sex for Saturday nights at the pub.

oops wrong post.

"Make up your mind that you will not carry on that legacy, but be a part of the solution in your own family." That's the plan especially since my wife is pregnant with our first child! I definetly plan to use wooden spoons for cooking only. And if anyone strikes my child they'll regret it.

"they were actually told to correct one another's kids even in the presence of their own parents if the parents did not do it first. " Yes! That was one of the worst parts of being there. I had 3,000 parents. And my mother had to watch other people hit me. Twisted stuff.

I apologized and said I wasn't trying to antagonize you. Why wouldn't you believe that I mean it. Why WOULD I antagonize you? What would I do THAT for? For the record, I never said you were a liar. I said it was graphic and over the top and the graphic nature of the post wasn't necessary. I'm trying to eat dinner and read some posts. If you say "I was gang raped" that's HORRIBLE ENOUGH. I didn't need to know about the flavor of semen. Disagree with me if you want, but don't take it for being mean or calling you a liar, which I believe you just called me. Why is it ok for you to call me a liar? Why is it ok for you to be mean to me? Oh man I got sucked back into this post. I mean it, I have said all I can say. I told you that I would be willing to speak to you, as a fellow survivor. I meant it. read my first post again: "Your account has far too much graphic information. If you want to discuss this, email me. It would do you more good to talk to a fellow survivor rather than make this entire board physically ill. We've all been thru too much without spelling out the twisted details. I appreciate your sharing, don't get me wrong..." I never called you twisted. I said the details of a gang rape are twisted and we didn't need to know every little detail. Gang rape is a very twisted thing. Read it again, stop thinking I attacked you and am not sincere. Good luck, keep working hard and you'll come out ok in the end. I had a really hard time post way , had PTSD, suicide, flashbacks, behavioral issues. It hit me hard. I know about being a survivor.

waysurvivor, you misunderstood my reply. I know all about abuse, I know that horrible things happened. i was there. But your posts could be toned down a bit. Both of your posts are over the top. I was not being mean. "You call yourselves survivors? You know NOTHING about surviving." You know nothing about me. I am not trying to antagonize you. Sorry I offended you. That's all I'm saying about this. Stay in therapy, good luck.

I was abused in TWI, sexually, physically and emotionally so I hate to doubt anyone but true 'survivors' (and I have met MANY) don't generally write details to this degree. So if this is true or not please try to understand the boundaries of taste, what's important and what people are willing to read. Your account has far too much graphic information. If you want to discuss this, email me. It would do you more good to talk to a fellow survivor rather than make this entire board physically ill. We've all been thru too much without spelling out the twisted details. I appreciate your sharing, don't get me wrong... But having said that, this type of assault in TWI is news to me. The abuse that lead to sexual attacks was usually more psychological than seeming like a Hollywood snuff film. And I know many survivors of TWI abuse.

I'd ask for my bike back. I'd also like my childhood back. Oh and I would ask them to bring back the Rock of Ages. Those were the days. Never met so many girls in my life.

"In my opinion, in the absence of the sales pitch we would have begun to witness Jesus Christ and His power." That depends on the person. Alot of us are years removed from the way but do not pitch Jesus Christ and His power. Some were more wayfers than Christians. And as wayfers we became high pressure salesmen for a product not for Jesus Christ himself. As a result of the pressure, we witnessed to people who we knew weren't really interested in anything more than doughnuts, kisses and shelter. We considered a class a success by a) the size of the class (number of students) and b) whether or not they spoke in tounges. Not by if anyone was actually saved. As a result we had a lot of practicing alcoholics and crackheads taking a class they weren't really interested in. And they "all" spoke in tongues. So that's considered a 'great' class. We were practically on commission! So, no , some of us wouldn't have ever witnessed to anyone if we weren't in twi. It was something we were taught IN twi.

They were in the corps F9 for a while, moved to Ohio then Florida. Anyone know them these days?

F9 here!

Yes wordwolf I realise that, but we were taught that that was an improper translation. That's where the confusion was. It was wrong and right at the same time. Also I was just a kid so the confusion was collosal.

When I was a teen in the family corps, I had the big leader BM (no, not bowel movment) FREAK when he found out I had a Culture Club (Boy George) poster. He came to my room at 5 AM, woke me up and cast the spirit of homosexuality out of me! He actually told me a year later, when he saw me with my girlfriend , that I was LUCKY to be hetero and that if it wasn't for him I'd be a HOMO. Thanks B!

wow haha. This one always bothered me, starting at about age 5: I've been redeemed by the blood of the lamb I've been set free by the SON OF MAN all my sins are washed away I've been redeemed. Who is the SON OF MAN? What is SON OF MAN supposed to mean? God wasn't a man!