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If it were true inspiration then it might have been a true statement, now, in hind sight, we know that PFAL was not God Breathed and so did the Devil, thus, he did not waste his time starting a war. Then again, the Bitch just loves watching death - what a coincidence. Nope, that PFAL I tried to run on the ship did not start a war - that war was decades in the making.

Thanks guys, I have read about this stuff previously, I probably am alot more versed in the matter since the advent of the internet - years after it stopped. The initial post was directed at how twi took this djv matter and turned it into a ds matter; well, maybe they were correct since they got no WOK/WOW/DS revilation - yeh, and then the CYA statement: "stop playing with DS's". So, I guess we can close on this doctrinal post: ain't nothing here in scripture. Thanks again.

DWBH, I read your post 3 times and still can not make sense of it, any of it. What censorship? Editorial bias? What/who is the Sun Sentinel? I am qurioius about the TY thing. So, an "idiot", I think some Army Generals would disagree. If you see that as a lecture, that's in your head dude. My statements were nothing more than proof who I was and at what point in time, period. Basically, my affiliation with corp folk was pre-historic to most other corp folk posting on GSC - maybe even you. Are you an internal GSC watch dog, are you attempting to keep GSC pure in your opinion of pure. I beleive you to be my Christian brother DWBH. If you have an issue with me, let's take it off line or do you need an audiance.

TLC, since you did ask a simple and straight question of me, here's the answer: I was in twi from 1972 to 1977. If it will also help, I will give you some additional information. I shared an apartment off base with another sailor, he was already turned on to the word, yes, it was a twi guy. One night I came back to the appartment after having to work late on the ship (Norfolk, VA) where my ship and my friends ship were home ported. The apartment was full of people, it was a believer's meeting, a twig. Well, I was O.K. with that, I was a Christian already. I loved the teaching and was blown away when they did the manifestations. I think that was in the fall of 1972, the teacher was Franklin Smith. He and I had a long, very long, conversation in the kitchen after that meeting/twig (I later learned he was a LTJG in the Navy). Needless to say, after a few more meetings/twigs I signed up for the PFAL; Franklin put me in touch with Doug Emmerson down in Greeneville, NC to see if those of us up in Norfolk would be able to come down on Saturdays, do the coffee house and stay over night to do the Sunday teachings and then head back up to Norfolk. We did that for months - we had deployments so the travels to Greenville were not consistent but we stayed in touch via mail with Doug Emmerson. I had a deployment in May/June of 73 and was able to take the PFAL at some site off the NC coast just prior to the ship's departure (vpw was there and personnaly taught the 10th and 12th sessions). The Navy (my ships XO and Captain) allowed me to stay to take the class and then catch the ship in Roosevelt Rhodes, Puerto Rico, which I did. During that mission, I ran twigs on the ship, to include some "Navigators" (do you know that Christian group?). Doug Emmerson told me that he would bend the rules and I did not need the 6 person minimum for a PFAL class and he did not need the "money" up front; he sent me the tapes (reel to reel). Then all hell broke loose, the 1973 Middle East war, we were constantly on alert and consistently called to General Quarters with the Soviets; the class never ran (Doug told me that the devil probably started that war just to stop the class). I got back to the states in early December or was it late November of 73, it was after Thanksgiving. I then began going back down to Greenville with the rest of the ol'e Navy gang. I came off active Naval duty around May/June of 74 and thus was able to go out on the field as a state WOW for North Carolina, my assignment was in Brevard, NC (gorgeous Blue Ridge Mountains) and was then asked to fill a needed spot in Ashboro, NC; I agreed so I went. My twig leader was Kevin Gigoo (I think he went on to some twi fame regarding Gunison, CO - did he marry into the Wierwille family or something like that?). I think while in my time at Greenville before heading out on the field that I met Donna Lombardi (later to become Ms. LCM). While on the field in NC, I signed to go international WOW; I think we were released from the field around 10 days prior to the ROA/WOW training. I stopped off at home to see my folks and took that VW, packed to the hilt with a rack on top, to the ROA. Got my WOW pin and a hand shake and hug from the vpw, said my good byes, did the WOW training and headed out to my assingment (sounds like military, nothing new to me). Being the small world that twi was back then, everyone from HQ and the 4th corp new everything about everybody. The WOW's carried all their state allegance's, Indiana was all for Lynn, NC was all for Emmerson, etc. Well, that was snubbed out the first week. My branch leader totally despised Doug Emmerson, thus, never again mention his name. I later discovered that my 4th corp interim branch leader and a 4th corp buddy was Donna Lombardi - small world. I somehow understood later, I think my branch leader said it to my face, the guy (Doug Emmerson) came on to me (Doug was married with kids, was his wife's name: Connie). Very strange, as I later learned, that those 4th and 5th corp women (that I knew) could care less. I was a 74/75 interntional WOW and then a 75/76 Wisconsin state WOW. In 77, nearly a year after the wedding incident and running a non-twi sanctioned twig (it's been previously posted), my wife and I called it quits with twi. It was really a very easy decision. Oh, no, there was no ABS (my God, how will they get blessed?) We helped out each other, we kept that 15% back and helped our twig family. That's the Cliffe notes there TLC, now get off my frk'n back - I think this should apply to DWBH as well.

Yeh, get up early and go take care of the branch leaders property, help make a stupid, non-sustaining familia breakfast and do the dishes, go to work (automotive mechanic), go home shower and shave, get to the PFAL site and clean, etc. then sit through the PFAL you had seen over and over and over and over and try not to fall asleep - you dare not fall asleep - at least don't snore. Yeh, I worked refreshments so got to sit in the back. My point is to try working that kinda schedule and sit "alert" through a twig or class (classes were the worst). I know quite well that many of the posters here did the Lords' work in a total fatigued state and sleep deprived and then try to stay awake during a monotonous twig or a class. Hope I am not off thread but in the book of Acts, did not some folks do the daily work and others did the work of the Lord? That's probably a topic for doctrinal.

skyrider, that's the way it should always have been, maybe if it was always like that things would have turned out different (not counting on it since the roots to the tree were rotten). Now, from what I have since learned on GSC, there was quite a loosening of the galley chains (visions of Ben Hur) in those nearly 20 years from my experiences - corp folk evidently went through a transition as well.

skyrider, that's the way it should always have been, maybe if it was always like that things would have turned out different (not counting on it since the roots to the tree were rotten). Now, from what I have since learned on GSC, there was quite a loosening of the galley chains (visions of Ben Hur) in those nearly 20 years from my experiences - corp folk evidently went through a transition as well.

It's a long time ago but am sure I ran into Ms. Lombardi any time from late 1972 up to possibley summer of 74 in Greenville, NC.

waysider, I should have expected that from you, I had a cassette version of CSN&Y's DJV albumn. I have heard so many differnt thoughts on the subject. In my late teens until the early 30's I had weekly episodes of the DJV. My mistake was while in twi was to tell anybody: I was immediatly informed that I was spiritually oppressed (not possessed). Yes, I recall, Bill Weingardenerinski {intentionally mispelled} (I loved his folks) and the corp branch leader took me outside and had a really long evaluation of me (guess the WOK, WOW and DOS manifestations were off line that night). Bottom line was that I needed to stop playing with DS's and then they wanted to know if I was a homosexual - that was all quite a "revelation", stuff like that sticks with you for awhile until you understand they were full of it. Still, my question stands, waysider says it's electrical activety in the brain, I can buy that, honestly, but - If so, how was I able to be totally awake and be able to hear and think things that happened nearly a minute in the future, I had to keep my mouth shut. It got to be so common that I just blew it off because if I hadn't, it would affect my daily activeties. I do accept the concept that it's only the "feeling in your head" that you have been there before - though, I did push the envelope with the DJV having been exposed to it for so many years - yes, I played with it, thus, it was easy to accept the playing with DS's concept. Yes, a strange topic, should it by in TWI because of their "criteria of DS", should it be in open or plain ol'e doctrinal. I know, some folks here would say it needs to be in the mental health forum. Now, I really am only curious as to what and if there is anything doctrinal/biblical that touches on this subject and anything you wanna add about what twi says about this is simpley entertaining at this point in time and if you are a shrink, never mind, ain't had an episode in 30 years but you never know. Yes, yes, I understand that some of the perfect folks here on GSC will crap on me regarding this post/topic/thread. If this is off the intent of GSC then I invite a mod to clear it off immediately, I would understand that decission. I should have asked this first: Is it located somewhere else on GSC? and I don't wanna hear about google it first, I came here first.

Do you have a point TLC, if so, take it off line with me or else stay on thread topic - go back and revisit the thread title. No one here wants to see a battle of wits, words and crap between folks, it's been done before and nobody gains anything from that discourse. What, do you need an audiance?

Hey, wait, I got well over 100 lbs of Sunday night teaching tapes and other materials, what a fire that's gonna make. I'm gonna chuck em in one by one and swizzel beer on a warm summer's night. Looking forward to it. Hell, they are all probably de-magnatized by now anyway - like I wanna hear those rants anyway. Oh, the thought of destroying the voices of VPW and LCM. Let's do the math: that's gonna be nearly 400 tapes, I better get a case of beer. Sorry, I got off thread, that darn waysider - nope, my bad, not his.

How do you understand the thing?

I think what made twigs grow and why they were so popular to folks both from established religeons and others (outside established religeons) is that it was different: the home atmosphere and the words taught were a welcome change. We turned that into just another religeon, my wife even said that to me after listening to the Sunday tapes and limb meetings: it just became another religeon. Shoot, folks knew when to grab the song books (hymnals) and when to grab their Bibles - turn to... I mixed it up, yeh, only one song at first and two near the end - that was a fantastic change (I was a rebel). This thread topic really hits home with me - we lost folks via boredom, despite how good a teaching might be. Our twigs maintained and grew new membership when we just did stuff together, away from that template. Yes, this was a template established by the powers but those powers (at the time) lived outside the personal desires for a believers meeting as some of them saw such a meeting. Many folks who came to the twigs were more than willing to listen, and not interrupt, they waited and then posed questions and dumb foot that I was, normally just quoted the standard crap: take the class or pulled out a book from the PFAL series or another one or stuff I had ear marked in the Bible. Of note and off thread, I just got rid of over 100 lbs of Way books this week: to the recycle, not 2nd hand books or Goodwill; I did not think it appropriate to put that information out to the public. Now, I am way off thread here: I made my appologies to corp folk on another thread for grouping all corp folk collectively after understanding that not all "eras" of corp folk were the same. Those folk I met, received instrucion & reprimand from and worked under were tyrants and abusers. If you were not a I - VI corp person and I offended you by grouping you, take this last appology. If you are a corp person in that I through VI era, then we can talk off line.

TLC, we are now way off thread/topic - it seems personal. If you have a beef with me, send a message and we can take this off line. Please re-word your question and get to the point.

DWBH, thanks for the kind words. With two possible exceptions, the rest of the corp and HQ folks I encountered in that time era were rather authoritarian and cut from the same mold. I once pointed out that there seems to be a difference, change, in corp folks over the years, something I learned here on GSC and gave credit to GSC for that enlightenment. I am quite sure that my prior post was on topic/thread.

Thanks, I saw the fountains but did I not go far enough in the posts to see the bronzed god? Where there 7 or 8 fountains: you know, spiritual perfection or new begining?

The only way to grow a TWIG was to break from the pattern, shoot, take your twig to a bar now and then, have some drinks and be family. Do what a family does not what the template dictates. Witness, not a requirement by whip, do it when appropriate and running a class, well, that was not a priority (at least to me), if we had enough folks who wanted it (that class), then O.K. We lost more folks from the twigs after running the class, it confused them, it marketed - yes, the class markets and folks saw it. Maybe I confused them? HQ and its' corp robots were not capable of seeing antyhing outa the box. In my opinion, I think the corp folk, et.al., only saw their involvement as temporary, those of us who stayed on realized that template was not going to work. You become friends, help each other in so many aspects (you don't claim, just believe to your fellows). Yes, we sang and sometimes we howelled at the moon, we became tight, we still believed but we believed and lived on that believing in God and each other (was that wrong?): we became family and every now and then HQ representatives came to the area, we had to put on a facade, a faint, a mask. I hated that. I hated taking money from poor folks and sending it to HQ when we should have been taking care of each other (well we did, after ABS and felt guilty about it because we interjected in their believing), ABS was a tithe law - pure and simple. I both love and hate GSC, this thread topic drags up crap from the past, things that gnawed so many years ago. Yes, eat steak when others are eating familia.

iniWell thanks Wordwolf, that ends that bit of questions, it was not really keeping me up at night but it was something I thought a time or two about. So who: Harry, veep and Dorothy?

Waysider, I did not mean that to be low or dis on anyone posting here. Evidently I worded it to that affect but that was not my intent. It was towards the folks at the time. I was expecting a response of facts by DWBH.

I am so glad my ABS was spent for the advancement of the word of God, I only hope that the statue is lighted at night. If I might ask, can you provide a photo or link to this abboration of brass.

Just qurious here, was there ever erected a sculpture of vpw: like at the Ohio HQ, Gunderson, etc.? Second question, was vpw buried on the farm around the pool next to his brother Harry? I paid alot of $ for that pool. You know, since I am now retired, I have time to visit all these vastly important historical sites - kinda like the Civil War Battlefield tour. Is there a map that twi puts out where vpw nailed all his babes. I mean, as long as I am on the road visiting other historical stuff, wouldn't that be "touching"; there might even be a glass case with the used condem with veeps crusty fluids - maybe I gotta go to Ohio HQ or Gunderson, CO to see such battlefield relics. Yep, that forgiveness thing just ain't taking hold, shoot, I am joking, the concept is almost acceptable.

I find this thread very interesting: we have gone from the Advanced class to gold & silver. I am interested more in the later. How does one become entrusted with such riches DWBH? I am not dissing you at all DWBH, I am quite interested in who trusted you (and the others) that much to take possession of the FORT new KNOX ville treasury? Like I said, not dissing, just overly qurious: how did it feel being in possession of all that ABS? Was there ever the thought to pass it back to the beleivers, the needy, etc.? Did you or were you told that it was like hiding Solomon's treasure - I could see that. When I hear the amounts, I think it small but then we must account for the purchase prices for Gunderson, Emporia, Rome and the rest. Guess, you folks were just hiding the slush fund and gas money for the sexmobiles. Yeh, that's bad but had to through it in to the mix.

I pointed out in an earlier post that vpw either taught wantonness or it was learned by example. I does not matter how old you are, it's still sick and to take advantage of brothers and sisters sexually, is bottom toilet bowl thinking. It seems to be assummed that the corp folk/branch leaders I was talking about were males, no, both were females. Yes, yes, I understand the thread topic was about vpw's wantonness but I was pointing out that he passed on that craft to others.

Thanks Rocky, I guess that it's just as easy these days to type "cents"; how long before that term is no longer understood. I learned to type on a writer from the 1920's, what a classic, only now am I honored, like so many things in life, it's only after decades that you learn the values and crap of things. I laugh, if we knew what we should have at the time would our little brains be able to comprehend the importance of the moment. Getting back on topic/thread, I still don't have a clue what the discussion was meant to be about (it seemed simple enough at first glance). Evidently there is a shadow understanding of the matter but I will attest to the face statement of the thread title: Hell yes, Christians should vote - how ironic if we vote differently, which we do. Not meaning to be an foot but why not just ask: would Jesus be a democrat, a republican, a libertarian, a KKK, a Nazi, a Marxist, a Maoist, really, where shall I continue and stop. But I am shallow and the discussion was meant to be deeper than what the title portrayed: was it not?

When I read the topic title I took it to mean that if you are a Christian and hold your beliefs that you can not vote for those who do not meet your Christian values - that's how I took it. I see that I did not take this to the deeper context. That's just my two cents (I sure do miss the "cents" key).