Nathan_Jr

Suddenly, I am reminded of a video I recently posted on another thread.

I’ve noticed. Do they base their beleeefs on Bible verses? Or are they just eating a lot of cookies?

It seems Bickle thinks he can effectuate the beginning of the eschaton with prayer and song. God can’t do this himself? God needs an earthly minister to bring about the Divine Plan? God doesn’t have foreknowledge? God’s timeline is contingent upon the activities of the preacher man du jour. Maybe there is some scriptural basis for this. I don’t know. Hey! I didn’t write the book. I didn’t bake the cookies, either.

“Street culture,” Really? Hmmm…ok. I think T-Bone included a definition of euphemism in a recent post. Chris, the subject of this Soft White Underbelly video, is a mentally ill homeless drug addict. A disproportionate number of homeless are mentally ill, and drug abuse often goes hand in hand with mental illness - a sinister irony that simultaneously provides a sensation of relief while exacerbating and advancing the disease. What I find remarkable about Chris is that he is so self aware. He knows the voices and delusions are symptoms/manifestations of his disease. He seems to so easily switch between the rational and irrational. He is articulate and honest about his disease, if in denial about how the drugs are making it all much, much worse - delusions all the way down. The Haldol is probably helping with his clarity. Much of Chris’ behavior in this video (legs and hands) are due to his methamphetamine use, which he readily admits he is high AF on at the moment of filming. Chris seems like a very sweet guy. Just very sick. No devil spirits to be found here.

Here ya go, Mike. This is what it looks like. Does this confirm your hunch?

If you have an in depth scatological awareness and perception, you will know exactly what that is. You have to call it by name before throwing it out. All of this is handled accurately with gloved hands in “the class.”

Well, it’s sarcasm, parody. It’s not my conclusion. It’s victor’s. And, demonstrably, Loy hasn’t gone beyond what victor taught. This idea of victor’s is absurd, and I have never agreed with it. It has been discussed elsewhere in the forum. Either you or Word Wolf pointed out that one must be WILLING to go beyond what one is taught. That’s right. If one is not willing, one can’t.

I sampled a few of his lectures -- so much quoting of victor paul wierwille, so many "Huh?" moments. It almost seems like he's making up this bullshonta off the cuff, as he's holding forth. But I know the bullshonta is meticulously invented, calculated. Well, it's established: you really can't go beyond what you are taught.

Yeah. I've been thinking about this for some time. Never has it been suggested to me after graduating from an academic institution or a professional training course or a course in leadership or the 5th grade that I should repeat that course study. That's why it's called graduation! The word grad is so misused with respect to PFAL. If one feels the need to thanklessly endure a 33 hour "holding forth" session dozens, even hundreds, of times, I submit that very repeating proves there is no graduation, because there is no real teaching, no real learning. If everyone misses so much the first time, the problem is not the "student." It's the "class." It's "the teacher." I am so grateful to have studied under some truly amazing teachers in my life, academically, professionally, and spiritually. Thinking about them now, I am humbly awestruck at their skill as teachers and leaders and mentors. The weak teachers are valuable, also. They show me how NOT to teach. They are the dark making obvious the light. They are the chaff to the wheat. I am grateful for the contrast they provide. victor paul wierwille is among the top two worst "teachers" I have ever encountered. And that "class" is among the top two worst I've ever thanklessly endured. victor and his sycophants can't even comprehend what it means to teach, to learn.

Thought I liked this yesterday. Apparently not. Damn these gloves! He was such a Bishop. just… …. mmmph.

This is demonstrably, objectively true. I would add Hebrew and Latin to the list of languages he simply didn’t understand. Anyone who is curious or doubtful of this observable fact can find out for themselves. Language skills are sadly lacking among every demographic in this country, even among our educators. I am constantly correcting the poorly written documents my son brings home from school.

No! Not so fast! STOP! I beleeeve Lazarus was stoked. He was bored in heaven and was happy to get back to the bar* with his best bro. This I surmise without evidence. And because it's what I beleeeve, I can make it fit. *The bars in "Bible times" were different. A couple Pakistanis told me this.

You’re missing the point of the story. You’re missing the forest for trees that haven’t even been planted. You’re reading too much into it. It doesn’t say Jesus was “considering thoughts with the devil.” Jesus is shown to refute and rebuke the temptations of the devil — with power and clarity of thought after 40 DAYS OF FASTING! You’re so fascinated with debil spurts, you miss the high level teaching in this part of the narrative. victor made the same mistakes. All. The. Time.

You still aren't handling the Hebrew accurately because you lean on the rickety crutch of what Pillai said you SHOULD do. In Genesis the context is creatures, animals, etc. An enchanting snake. It's not that complicated. Just read what it says. Learn Hebrew, if you don't like English. If Pillai and victor could have beleeeved big enough to live long enough, which is to say, if they hadn't gotten so tired, they would have been taught. And in that teaching, they would have learned. But their beleeeving was no match for their fatigue, so they stopped running and fell asleep and died. They are not alive now. If only they knew how (H-O-W) to beleeeve...

Not "should be." COULD be. The Hebrew word means both. Genesis 2 onward is allegory, not historical record - everything is a symbol, an image. When one is willing to go beyond Pillai, which a 7th-grader can do with ease, one can go father, deeper in one's understanding.

Four crucified. Bastard bar mitzvah. Crowing cocks. Six denials. Lesbian love in Eden. To/for.

So much certainty. So much beleeef. So little understanding.

Parable is a genre. Allegory is a genre. Fable is a genre. Fantasy is a genre.

A talking snake is fantasy.

Parables aren’t fantasy. They are metaphor.

That Jesus told parables, and that Aesop told fables hundreds of years prior, tells us little or nothing about what the people loved. To assert such an opinionated, baseless claim is to tip one’s hand to reveal four jokers and a 2 of clubs. There is a reason why Jesus spoke in parable. It has nothing to do with audience preference. “Jesus was given a bastard bar mitzvah.” ”Cocks crowed at different times of the day in ‘Bible times.’” ”Four Crucified.” Are these parables, lies or lines of bullshonta? Why do people love this fiction? What lessons do they teach, if any? Meditate on that.

STOP! No one ever asserted such a claim. No one. Ever. Read more. It's YOUR friend.

No one here is suspicious. Literally, no one. Nicotine is a nootropic. I take it in a sublingual form myself. It very slightly helps with cognition. And if one is addicted, as I am, it soothes the discomfort of withdrawal. It helps schizophrenics to FEEL better, though I don't know if it is actually effectual in alleviating symptoms. But they sure do love it. The first schizophrenic I ever encountered would pull out the filter of his Newport 100s with his teeth, and then, then, THEN smoke the entire cigarette, filter and all, in under a minute. Then, then, THEN... he'd light another, then another... He told me it made him feel soooo good. He couldn't get enough. Every schizophrenic I've ever known was a chain smoker. No one ever suspected cigarette smoking to be a cause of schizophrenia.

You’re not the only one. His first paragraph suggests one thing, but, then, then, THEN… the 2nd paragraph says something else. I don’t think the lack of clarity is intentional, that’s just his style. Like the schizophrenic, he just can’t help it.

I think this is called resolution or remission of symptoms, I think. I think a significant portion of schizophrenics experience this. I think. You should do your own research. Find out for yourself. Don’t seek to beleeve, seek to find out, to understand, to know.