Nathan_Jr
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Right. Everything is caused. Everything. And there is nothing that can be anything other than what it is. This even applies to choices and decisions. I beleeeve, because it’s very difficult to know, that Mike is talking about a completely different determinism. A mathematical one. One that affects hypothetical trains. One that doesn’t fit like a glove onto this discussion. And his free will definition, though novel, even cute, is a deeply personal and imaginative one. Again, causing discord in the dialogue.
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Is there any other type?
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Occam's razor. 60% of the time, it works every time.
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Was physics invented or discovered? I guess it depends on your definition.
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All this hardcore science sounds very top-down. Does the confabulation problem explain why Victor couldn't keep his snow storm stories straight? If victor rejected the advice from the lighting expert during the filming of PFLAP, and his free will rejection of sound mind advice caused eyeball cancer, and God idiomatically permitted the cancer because of victor's free will choice to reject God's angel, was the cancer determined by victor's free will? Or by God's permission? Either victor chose the cancer by his own free will, or it was determined by his free will choice and permitted by God's idiom. Can both be true? Bottom's up! Kuala Lumpur!
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Nope. Not just wrong, four crucified wrong.
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We aren't in a lab. It's a philosophical topic that does not preclude scientific knowledge. Neuroscience started abandoning Click decades ago. Not all, but many neuroscientists on the cutting edge see consciousness, not matter, as fundamental. Did you watch the Donald Hoffman podcast? You'd like it. Lots of name dropping of real heavyweight, superstar mathematicians and neuroscientists. So what? Exactly. I don't know, and I embrace this not knowing, which allows me to know - a paradox.
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Excellent points, Twinky!! Amen. To your point, for many years, I subscribed to and read BOTH the WSJ and NYT. Though I recently let those subscriptions lapse, I still try to hear/read multiple POVs. In fact, I do watch the BBC when I watch the news, but also the crazy on Fox and the crazy on MSNBC. So much bullshonta everywhere. Literally. Bullshonta. Everywhere. Listening to each other is so important. It seems very few know how to do that anymore. Just listen. Try to understand. You don't have to agree, but you might learn something. Confirmation bias is willful ignorance.
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I rest my case.
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But God gives the devil permission?
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Any discussion called Determinism and the Illusion of Free Will can only ever be philosophical, but this does not preclude a biological/physical/chemical understanding. We are talking about human beings. Or, some of us are.
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My FIRST real discussion of determinism was in 1995. I was 19 in college. It was a philosophy class. We read St. Anselm, et al. The class was not pedantic. It was exploratory. Challenging. Real discussions. It required rigorous examination of linguistic implications. Defining terms and assumptions. Questions and answers and questions. Honest, critical examinations. It was mind-expanding.
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Right. Great. Good advice. I think I was raised right. What about Just The Way It Was? What evidence was suppressed by editing out the fire?
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If he can open his mind and discard confirmation bias, he might find this thread most useful.
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What was so controversial about Just The Way It Was that it needed the fire edited out of it?
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What was so controversial about Just The Way It Was that it needed the fire edited out of it? Did the etiquette booklet advise to stand up when the TMOG entered a room?
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Damn. Some John Wick shonta here. God, I wish I wrote this. Who is this?
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Read the Consider the Evidence thread. It's the most important thread of your life.
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You're deflecting. Learn how to compose a sentence. I know exactly what determinism is. It's not limited to chemistry and physics. Not sure why you insist on leaving biology out of the mix. I did ok. Honors Chemistry II. Not AP like you. Don't remember why I elected to take it. It was hard. I was better at English and History and Latin.
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This is the most important thread of your life. I encourage you to stay here and absorb and contemplate all you can. Post honestly; ask honest questions; think about your composition before hitting submit. What you can learn from this thread will allow you to learn so much more about everything. Literally, EVERYTHING.
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I don't think so. I've interpreted it into three different glossolalias and back into English. Nothing but bullshonta every time.
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Something here resonates with me. The paradoxical virtue of doubt, questions, introspection...maybe. Or, maybe I'm reading too much into your synopsis. I should read Ecclesiastes.
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Does the stomach use determinism to digest food? Something is fundamentally wrong with this sentence. Mike, as with thousands of your sentences, the composition is flawed, cumbersome. Consider usage, word choice, syntax, meaning. You love to blame others for not absorbing or understanding what you write, but you persist in these meaningless sentences. It's up to you to communicate clearly and effectively. It's not reasonable to expect your audience to figure out what you mean when you can't even compose a meaningful sentence. (I've interpreted this sentence into three different tongues. Still. No dice.)
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The light began to dawn.
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Brilliant! Among your best work.
