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  1. This is how I read your posts when you started this thread with a number of posts. And regarding the Philosophical Positions which we have today and which Wordwolf wrote about. What I see as the most hateful and not loving is eternal torment for a lifetime of so called sin. Since one of the primary teachings in the bible is that God the creator is a God of love. Would God raise someone from the dead to only torture them? For example, a child that dies from cancer or a family car accident before the age of five and was never even introduced to Jesus Christ. From a Christian philosophical perspective should that child be raised from the dead only to torture the child? At least I see that philosophy as crazy and hateful. Fortunately I do not see any crazy and hateful people on this thread. Fortunately,, my view of Christianity is a God of love and this is especially seen with his Son Jesus Christ who gave his life for humanity.
  2. Certainly this is the most difficult and challenging subject in the bible in large part because with the book of Revelation using symbols to show the future ages, it was written with symbolic and not literal text. This has caused differences of opinion and sometimes even divisions within the body of Christ as WordWolf has pointed out. All followers of Jesus Christ however, should at least see that Jesus Christ is the first to be risen from the dead to live eternally and that we all need Jesus Christ to be raised from the dead in the future. Either that or they believe in another god similar to ancient Greek and Roman mythology. In contrast to the symbolic and not literal writings of the book of Revelation. Paul's writings are much clearer in content.
  3. Interesting Wordwolf to start another thread for comments on this subject. We know some things, but not all things today in our lifetimes in this age that we live in now. The very knowledgeable Apostle Paul points this out towards the end of 1 Corinthians chapter 13. We now know only in part and will only know fully when we see Jesus Christ face to face.
  4. if you want to call it tagging that is your choice. I do not have a copy of the book you are mentioning to comment on after reading it. Instead I have many other books to read on this subject and yes that also includes actual biblical versions. My question is to those who have a copy of this book and have read it. Does this author ever mention scriptures from the book of Revelation to state his views? For example, the last three chapters, of the book of Revelation, chapters 20-22.
  5. Curious now, but does Rob Bell deal with the content of the book of Revelation? Especially the last chapters? With all the figurative language in this book, this can be challenging.
  6. I am writing a new article on the subject of ends times through Jesus Christ. Some of this article deals with the very symbolic book of Revelation. Here is some of the content. Is this interesting to you? Regarding the unjust also being reconciled and at peace with God through Jesus Christ. The writer of the book of Revelation, named John got a vision of a “new heaven and a new earth” as stated in Revelation 21:1. This was very favorably seen. Since the writer was likely an Israelite named John, he saw this as the New Jerusalem, which to the Israelites was a very favorable place since for a number of years it was the political and religious capital city of their nation. John also got visions of twelve gates around Jerusalem as stated in Revelation 21:12-13. He also saw foundations of the twelve gates made of precious earthly stones or minerals. From verse 13 to 24 he had symbolic visions which looked very good. These were gates, which people outside the gates could enter into. Otherwise they would have been seen as brick walls around Jerusalem to keep everyone not inside the gates permanently out of the new visional and symbolic Jerusalem. This shows good on the inside of the gates and not good on the outside of the gates. Revelation 21:25-27 25 On no day will its gates ever be shut, for there will be no night there. 26 The glory and honor of the nations will be brought into it. 27 Nothing impure will ever enter it, nor will anyone who does what is shameful or deceitful, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb's book of life. NIV The question is what is the “Lamb’s book of life” and who is part of this? The Lamb’s book of life represents Jesus Christ and those who follow him. Only good or pure will enter into this. Next we have verses which show the free will of humanity. The choice being given to humanity of doing good or not doing good. In a favorable way, I see this as the followers of Jesus Christ being fully persuaded in heart to follow Jesus Christ. This is through the gift of Holy Spirit and the new spiritual body patterned after the Lord’s resurrected body that his followers will receive when he returns from heaven. Or as 1 Corinthians 15: 49 says, “so shall we bear the likeness of the man from heaven”, who is Jesus Christ. For an explanation of this see 1 Corinthians chapter 15. Revelation 22:10-11 10 And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand. 11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still. KJV Next we have more symbolic language of those who wash their robes. This shows that those who change from bad to good through Jesus Christ will be able to go through the gates into the city. However, outside of what he thought as the New Jerusalem John still saw those who were bad with him comparing them to dogs. Dogs are seen favorably today, but during the first century before dogs were trained to be good, dogs were symbolically seen as bad. However, just like dogs have been trained today to be good in nations like the United States. In the future under Jesus Christ more and more of humanity will be retrained to be good and followers of Christ. Revelation 22:14-15 14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. 15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie. KJV The final outcome was not seen by John the writer of the book of Revelation. What John saw was the free will ability to do good or not to do good.
  7. Hope Beyond Hell The Righteous Purpose of God's Judgment Here is a book that I have read that was written by a dentist from Texas. Yes, it is OK to have worked as a dentist and written a biblical book. As an example, Luke the biblical writer of the book of Acts and Gospel of Luke was a physician or doctor and not an apostle. https://www.amazon.com/Hope-Beyond-Righteous-Purpose-Judgment-ebook/dp/B001T4Z81C/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=Hope+Beyond+Hell&qid=1569788663&s=books&sr=1-1 The content of this book relates to the book read by Rocky.
  8. The Myths of Hell “Sheowl” in the Old Testament was not seen as eternal torment. It was seen as the grave of death or an unseen burial. Using the King James Version the Hebrew word “sheowl” is translated as “the grave” 31 times. It is also translated as “hell” 31 times and “the pit” 4 times. In all usages in looking at the context this can be seen as the grave or a word describing the state of death. And “the grave” is the primary translation of other biblical versions. For example, the New International Version (NIV) does not have any usages of the word “hell” in the entire Old Testament. It almost always translates “sheowl” as “the grave”. Of the 66 usages for “sheowl”, 62 are translated as “the grave” in the NIV. One usage is translated as “dead” from Deuteronomy 32:22. One usage as “the depth below” from Job 11:8. One usage as “of the realm of the dead” from Job 26:6. One usage is translated as “death” from Proverbs 15:11.
  9. I am reading comments on this thread and providing my biblical research which I have done as a workoholic. I am reading other things also, for example a study written by someone who has done research on the figurative and not literal "Lake of Fire" as seen in Revelation chapter 20. Regarding Rob Bell and his book. It looks fine and perhaps I could give him a grade of "A".
  10. People should see if they use their brain, the Greek word "aion" should only be looked at as eternal as it relates to God the creator or Jesus Christ his son. Thank you Jesus Christ for passing salvation onto regular man. Here are some of the usages of this Greek word. I give credit to the people who know Koine Greek who are able to do New Testament translations with improvement. Matthew 13:39-40 39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world (aion); and the reapers are the angels. 40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world (aion). King James Version (KJV) Matthew 13:39-40 39 and the enemy who sowed them is the devil. The harvest is the end of the age (aion), and the reapers are angels. 40 Just as the weeds are gathered and burned with fire, so will it be at the end of the age (aion). English Standard Version (ESV) Matthew 13:49 49 So shall it be at the end of the world (aion): the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just, KJV Matthew 13:49 49 So it will be at the end of the age (aion); the angels will come forth and take out the wicked from among the righteous, New American Standard Bible Matthew 24:3 3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world (aion)? KJV Matthew 24:3 3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming and of the end of the age (aion)? Jubilee Bible 2000 Matthew 28:20 20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world (aion). Amen. KJV Matthew 28:20 20 teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And remember, I am with you always, to the end of the age (aion). New English Translation Clearly from the above usages age or aion in the Greek has an ending.
  11. Perhaps the most confusion of understanding on this subject is the lack of understanding of the Greek word translated either as age, world, ever, forever and with other translated version words. In Koine Greek this is the word aion, which is also written in English as aioon. When seeing the following biblical usages of this word aion, a clear definition is age with a limited duration of time, or a period of longer or shorter duration having a beginning and an end. When seeing other biblical usages, which will be covered on the final page of this study, this word could also be understood and used in context as an unbroken age, perpetuity of time, eternity. However, this usage would require multiple ages and as it relates to God the creator of life. This Greek word is used as a noun. There are 125 usages of this word in the New Testament. From a number of usages of this word it is clearly seen that age has a limitation of time with an end to the age. In the King James Version this is often translated world. However, most if not all of the newer biblical versions use the word age for aion more often. On the below link are verses with aion from the King James Version, followed by other biblical versions chosen randomly. As I stated previously, with editing biblical versions can improve for truth and clarity. http://www.christian-universalism.info/agegreekwords-pg3.html Reading the above should take less than 2 minutes. I hope that is not to long of a time to spend.
  12. Biblical Usages of N.T. Greek word, Aion Page 3 of the article. Article Written by someone named Mark Sanguinetti, I wonder who that person is???
  13. Here also is a web site article that I have learned from on the subject of age using the original Greek N.T. words. I have read this article at least once and learned from it. This article was written by someone named Mark Sanguinetti. I wonder who that person is because I sometimes call myself Marky Spaghetti instead of Mark Sanguinetti? Age and the Greek Words Aion and Aionios
  14. Yes and the word sometimes translated as eternal in bible versions are the Greek words "aion" and "aionios"". In English these biblical words are also often translated 'age". All usages of the Greek word for eternal in the book of Revelation is the Greek word often translated as "age" or "ages" in other New Testament scriptures. I can looks this up because of my biblical study software that I have. Age is a period of time that could be long or short.
  15. Rocky, I hope that you enjoy reading Rob Bell's book. Rob Bell sounds like he is NOT a hateful person mixed with common sense and likely a study of the bible that he teaches from. I hope it is OK to agree with you at least in part. Or should I apologize for agreeing with you?????
  16. The Myths of Hell My goal is to also write a book. One of the chapters of my future book is on this web site with link above which I did. Rob Bell sounds like he is not a hateful person mixed with common sense and likely a study of the bible also. To use demonic theology and believe that immediately after death all people go to either hell for eternal torment or heaven for eternal pleasure is crazy. This was not part of the Old Testament theology. Hell is instead the grave or the place of death. And biblical translators see this with newer biblical versions for example the NIV, having ZERO usages of the word Hell in the entire Old Testament. The doctrine of hell originated with Greek, Roman and perhaps other mystic theology. Hell is simply the grave or the place of death. It takes God the creator to raise people from the dead. The first man to be raised from the dead to live eternally is Jesus Christ. All Christian who read the bible and believe in Jesus Christ should see this. Otherwise they are dumb-dee dumb dumb. In the actual bible for people who know how to read. After the resurrection of Jesus Christ we have the followers of Jesus Christ to be raised from the dead next and this is when Jesus Christ returns. We have seen this in 1 Thessalonians chapter 4. Then in the figurative book of Revelation chapter 20, we have the first resurrection with those who were persecuted for the work of God being raised from the dead. Next we have what can be called the resurrection of the unjust. The outcome of this resurrection is not clearly stated in the figurative and not literal book of Revelation. However, since God is referred to as the God of love. What is the purpose of raising humans from the dead???? To torture them only? Or to improve them with perhaps some punishment, which we often get now, but to at least try to purify their sin nature so that they can see how good and loving Jesus Christ is, while following him. The clearest example of this in the bible is Jesus Christ appearing to Saul, also named Paul; and getting him to change from one of the most hateful persecutors of the followers of Jesus Christ to the best teacher of Jesus Christ and God's word as seen in the New Testament. This is clearly seen by reading Acts chapter 9. Acts Chapter 9
  17. No, I am not suggesting that. Why are you thinking that? I simply added this link for people who want to read it regarding the risk of homosexuality for people who are not allowed to marry. This article makes this clear at least to me. And it is interesting that with sometimes homosexuality, priests also can sometimes have sex with women. Homosexual Clergy in the Roman Catholic Church
  18. Homosexual Clergy in the Roman Catholic Church It looks like not allowing priests and sister or nuns to marry has opened the door in the Roman Catholic church for homosexuals among male priests and female sisters or nuns.
  19. I would and will not worship them like they are God or Jesus Christ his only begotten son. Instead I might want to gently pet them on the shoulder like they are dogs that hopefully wag their tails. I really love dogs, but do not worship them. I actually did this at a Greek Orthodox church to two ministers when I was in a line with other people. This very old denomination historically and many years ago separated itself from the Roman Catholic church. As I recall others kissed the hand and ring of the two minsters. I instead petted them both on the shoulder. I also let them know that if they wanted to pet me that they could. After I did this these two ministers were friendly with me. I have helped educate them from the bible by sending them and other ministers links to biblical articles that I have written. As an example of the reality that I love dogs, when I was a child before the age of five, my family or parents had a house with a swimming pool. I would sometimes walk around and when I walked around near the swimming pool our family German Shepherd dog would bark to my parents and position himself between me and the pool when I walked around near the pool. My mother has told me this.and even told me this two days ago. This helpful dog knew that if I slipped and fell in the pool, that I could drown and die because this was when I was very young and did not know yet how to swim. I wonder if this dog saved my life??? The dog was at least helpful with my family feeding the dog and providing water to drink. I now consider this German Shepherd dog in the "Doggie Hall of Fame". Perhaps similar to a star professional athlete.
  20. There should be no doctrine or teaching which elevates some people at the expense of other legitimate followers of Jesus Christ. Only God the Father and his Son Jesus are to be exalted. Yet today we have false doctrines such as the pope being the Vicar of Christ, or that by our minds renewed to God's word we take the place of the absent Christ, as was taught in the denomination I used to associate with (TWI). He is surely not absent nor is anyone, regardless of which denomination he heads, be it big or small, the head of the body of believers. The only head of the body of believers is seated at God’s right hand in heaven, the Lord Jesus Christ (Colossians 3:1). It seems the Church, as made up of all believers in Jesus Christ regardless of denominational affiliation, is continually in jeopardy of making its leaders as lords and even worse, mediators between God and men, when in fact, there is but one God and only one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus (see 1 Timothy 2:5). 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; KJV
  21. Sorry for not trying to eat them. I would instead prefer to pet them and feed them. The one at the top looks hungry for at least a tidbit. Thank you for your prayers. Prayers for you also.
  22. Regarding the NOT service oriented teaching of so called "personal prophecy" I found the information and am now remembering my opposition to this doctrinal and especially practical error. What this was about was to lord over God's heritage. It was not for service to followers of Jesus Christ. They were using this so called new doctrine to form a new hierarchy of leadership with more money to be received. This was not only used by CES, but used by the following Here is the link that shows this. https://personal-prophecy-today.com/ Here is a link to an article which explains the problem that I saw about 15 or 20 years ago, but did not remember the details of. So called personal prophecy was being used for political mixed with religious power and authority. John's wife I think saw the problem with this and tried to correct them, but was obstructed. http://www.empirenet.com/~messiah7/rec_cesCrisis.htm The person who wrote this article did a very good job in factual, truthful and practical writing. I give him a grade of "A". As an example, he wrote, A theocracy is "a system of government in which priests rule in the name of God or a god." The person also wrote the following. I recommend reading this article with link above.
  23. Just curios now, but does anyone remember the details of the doctrinal and practical errors, which John's Ex-wife saw and opposed, but John did not oppose?
  24. Interesting and I remember this now somewhat, but not with the details about the doctrinal and/or practical errors that John's Ex-wife saw and spoke against, but that John did not speak against like his Ex-wife. I also saw the doctrinal and/or practical errors, but do not remember the details of them today as this was years ago. The Ex-wife tried to correct the poophetess, but the poophetess did not listen to John's Ex-wife and instead was power and authority hungry. Yes, John made a mistake and sided with the poophetess. instead of John's more doctrinally knowledgeable and practical Ex-wife. Yes, we all make mistakes. After reading what John's Ex-wife had written on this subject, I saw that John's Ex-wife regarding biblical doctrine was KNOWLEDGEABLE and PRACTICAL. I then contacted John since I know him and consider him a friend. John listened to me about his Ex-wife and soon after again contacted his Ex-wife. As a result they got back together again. and remarried. His then wife and not Ex-wife called me on the phone and thanked me. We all make mistakes and no one is perfect on the planet. The only perfect one is Jesus Christ. However, at least John corrected his mistake with the help of his Ex-wife and someone named Mark Sanguinetti. Who is that person?
  25. Have you read the book, "One God & One Lord"? It was written by three people that includes John Lynn. It is very well researched and readable. After reading most of the book, I shared some of the content with a Christian that participates in the Catholic church. She agreed with what was explained to her and saw it as factual and godly or spiritual. John can be factual especially when he gets editing from other people. He has learned from other people including someone named Mark Sanguinetti. I wonder who that is?
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