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As for real Republican women some in the GOP are apparently bragging and salivating about: http://www.jerseygop.com/R_babes/index.html

Hills lost a nephew in the 9/11 attack on the World Trade Center, and seems to be getting a bit understandably miffed at conspiracy theories and revisionist shyyyyt Good to see you posting, Hills.

What “three” Presbyterian “groups” is the UPI writer talking about. The statement makes no sense. There certainly are more than three Presbyterian denominations. In addition to the PCUSA, there are: The Presbyterian Church in America (PCA); The Orthodox Presbyterian Church (OPC); The Associate Reformed Presbyterian Church (ARP); The Reformed Presbyterian Church in North America (RPCNA); The Korean-American Presbyterian Church The Evangelical Presbyterian Church (EPC)' The Bible Presbyterian Church; The Westminster Presbyterian Church in the United States; The Cumberland Presbyterian Church (This group denies unconditional election and IMO should drop “Presbyterian” from its name). (The above list is not exhaustive. There are more.)

And from Italy: Say it ain’t so (at least that it was your evil twin), Silvio.

Actually, I should have written 7.0.5346.5 (note the additional decimal point) and also added Beta 2.

I waited 30 of them. Barring a cabal at the technical levels of GSC, I think the problem is in IE 7.05346.5. The direct link works for Netscape. It also works for IE, if I turn off IE’s pop-up blocker, rather than overriding it by pressing the ctrl key when clicking on the link. Odd thing is that overriding the popup blocker results in IE properly opening the link I provided to Mark’s post.

Note that this occurred in the PCUSA, which is the largest among a number of Presbyterian denominations in the United States. Although it seems likely that all denominations have their sets of issues and problems, stuff like this has not arisen in the Presbyterian Church in America (PCA) or the Orthodox Presbyterian Church (OPC). ---------------------------- Following is a link to a report on this at The Layman Online, published by some folks in the PCUSA who are generally critical of stuff that has occurred in their own denomination. http://layman.org/layman/news/2006-general...is-received.htm

Due to some apparent GSC glitch (or a Jesuit cabal), the link I provided to Galen's post no longer works directly, but goes to the top of the page that contains Galen's post.

Thanks, T-Bone. That's it! From what I know, Wierwille’s description of the preemptory manner in which the council was conducted seems essentially accurate. There are some problems, however, with Wierweille's piece: 1. As GSC's resident Roman Catholic polymath pointed out one time, Cyril did not invent the term theotokos (i.e. “God-bearer”) that is rendered sometimes “mother of God.” Nestorius was not opposing some theological innovation of Cyril's. (see http://www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/index.ph...st&p=190635 ) 2. Cyril’s uncle was the patriarch of Alexandria and mentored Cyril’s education that reportedly went from classical through theological studies. I cannot presently refute Wierwille's charge that Cyril was a former believer in pagan deities, but am quite skeptical about it. Wierwille's charge is possibly sustainable, but it doesn't fit well with Cyril being mentored by his uncle Theophilus and the little I have found mentioned about Cyril's eary years in pieces such as these: http://www.orthodoxwiki.org/Cyril_of_Alexandria http://www.oup.co.uk/pdf/0-19-926713-8.pdf 3. Wierwille’s characterization of the issues involved in the christological controversy (the issue was the person and natures of Christ -- not an issue of Marian dogma) is, at best, so vacuous as to be misleading. _______________________________________ While preparing this response, I came across a post by Galen containing a somewhat extensive quote of the subject Wierille piece: http://www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/index.ph...mp;#entry117637

Mark, You seem to be much more acquainted with Jack Chick's stuff than I am. After reading your post, I did find on Chick's site a charge that Jesuits killed Lincoln ( http://www.chick.com/catalog/books/0180.asp ). Although such an allegation has the odor of a crackpot rather than that of probable history, I would like to know what you and your Romanist pals did to Elvis. :)

I'm pretty sure it was in written materials. Maybe it was in some other book by Wierwille.

I am looking for the section of JCING in which Wierwille mentioned some bishops using a slower means of transportation to a council in which they were condemned largely in absentia. From the quite little I know about church history (which is probably some significant number of times that which Garth knows about it), the church council in which such an event occurred was the Third Ecumenical Council (Ephesus, 431), led by the at-times theologically brilliant but infamously underhanded Cyril of Alexandria. The Third Ecumenical Council, however, was not about Arianism, which had been previously condemned (beginning with the First Ecumenical Council at Nicea, 325), nor did the deity of Christ appear there as an issue of controversy. The preeminent issue before the council was christological, but it involved addressing the problem of Nestorianism rather than of Arianism. I am wondering how and why Wierwille mentioned the subject incident. Was Wierwille accurately historicizing about an event occurring at another council? Did Wierwille conflate an event that occurred at the Third Ecumenical Council with events of the First Ecumenical Council (or with events of another council)? Or, if Wierwille was directly referring to something that happened at the Third Ecumenical Council, what was the subject matter in JCING that made reference to events of that council germane?

In JCING, Wierwille wrote something about a party of bishops conducting a church council and condemning another party of bishops before the latter arrived. Could anyone provide an exactly worded citation from JCING? I am particularly interested in the locations, dates, names and (especially) the controversy with which Wierwille identified the incident as occurring.

Elementary, my dear Greasespotters: Right click on the picture of the ducks in Cowgirl’s post, left click on properties; copy the url of the photo and paste it into IE address bar, go to the main directory of the site ( http://www.ndow.org ); click the search link located at the top right portion of the page; scratch yourself; having noted that “6thplace” in url of the photo suggested a contest had taken place, type the words “contest results” into the search engine box; start clicking on and examining the results. (From a cold start, I think it took somewhere around three minutes.)

Cowgirl, Assuming those were actually ~his~ photos you posted, here is a link that seems to reveal the identity of your potential man: http://ndow.org/about/stamp/

Have a good one!

I think my favorite Romanist raises an interesting point, though I don’t know how consciously manipulative TWI leaders were in simultaneously using, correcting and instilling doubt about the KJV. Unconsciously or consciously, TWI’s MOGs nonetheless installed TWI to an effective degree as THE authoritative textual critic, translator and interpreter standing between Wayfers’ minds and Scripture. TWI's MOGs would have had very little textually to talk about, if TWI had merely used the RV, ASV, RSV, or NASB. ______________________________________________ Quidquid latine dictum sit altum viditur.

Hmmmm. June 17 is also Barry Manilow's birthday, but Rafael just might have won a trip to de Zaal van Bekendheid.

A quick Alta Vista search solved the mystery: Newt Gingrich's birthday.

I’m no pundit on Calvin (I’ve read more of Calvinists than of Calvin), but found the following by doing a search in "The John Calvin Collection," by Ages Software. It is a translation of what Calvin actually wrote. I'm actually a bit more interested in what Meredith Kline and John Chrysostom might have written about this, but have not found anything by them concerning this. From Calvin’s Commentary on Genesis: From Strong's Hebrew Lexicon in a download on my computer of the OnlineBible, the word translated "thigh" in Genesis 24:2 means: The expression under consideration also appears in English Bible versions in Genesis 47:29. (see http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?searc...=8;49;47;31;46; )

Here's a link to some stuff on this at a site sponsored by Westminster Theological Seminary. http://thetruthaboutdavinci.com/was-jesus-married.html

Not in the biblically authentic sense. Nor were Wierwille and his ministerial offspring (the star struck Way Corps minions Wierwille “ordained”) authentic prophets. Teachers? They were false teachers. Post Tenebras Lux

I think I've gotten nine of the last ten books I bought from http://www.wtsbooks.com . (The one exception is an ESV version of the Bible I purchased at a Books-A-Million store.) A few months ago, however, I tried finding a gift for someone at a Christian bookstore. After a number of minutes of what I deem rather intense searching through the store's collection of CDs, I walked out and settled for getting some marinara sauce and uncooked pasta from an Italian restaurant.

For someone in chat: http://www.mydna.com/resources/meds/news/r...831_chipox.html

I hate it when I have to ban somebody.