WordWolf

This thread was started by someone who has a lot of first-hand, inside information about who VF is and how VF is when the cameras are off. I'm rather slow to judge how accurate anyone is based on how cool their internet presence looks. I remember an organization (non religioua) that looked incredibly well organized- judging from their paperwork, mailing list, etc. They were a mess, which anyone knew who dealt with them DIRECTLY. This website contains people who run the gamut from "Shame on you for saying vpw drugged and raped those women, and God told him to plagiarize" to "I'm just who I was before, minus the organization but with the same beliefs" through "I'm a Christian but not endorsing twi or extwi" and "now I'm a practicing Jew/Muslim/Wiccan" to "I've renounced all religions and finally embraced the truth that they're all delusions because there is no god." You won't find TOO many people here representing the first 2 positions so much, since they prefer to go off and hang out with each other. (For that matter, most GSC posters have moved on with their lives, with both twi and the GSC as distant lights in the rear-view mirror- which, to me, is a good thing.) I'll say I'm still a Christian, but I hesitate to embrace terms that twi used to isolate us from other Christians- like "believer" for ONLY twi Christians. There's a lot of freedom here to be whatever and to believe whatever, so there's a lot of points of view represented here. That's definitely counter to a twi experience, but it's generally a lot healthier to have fresh air and disagreements than unanimity and stale repetition.

Right. Hawkeye can´t seem to miss at golf. Ant-Man was called ¨Tic Tac¨ and he also shrank to enter the Iron Man armor. Charles Spencer was a kid building houses for the poor in Sokovia when Ultron destroyed it.

That´s him' as Foggy Nelson in DareDevil, Happy Hogan in Homecoming, and Gutter in PCU.

A lot of us were spared the worst of it. If you lived at a twi location, that was a different story. In some areas, local or general area leaders insulated locals from the worst of it, whether by accident or by design. New Yorkers, for example, are notably stubborn, and did NOT march lock-step to every little thing- at least once vpw was dead. When lcm tried just barking orders, he got almost all of NY State´s leaders just quietly disregarding them. When he demanded an oath of loyalty to himself to follow him personally and blindly (he clarified to someone that IS what he meant and that wasn´t a misunderstanding), they refused to do that and said their loyalty was to God. lcm responded by firing them all, and trying to damage their reputations with the members in NY State. This largely backfired and damaged HIS reputation with the members in NY State. More than 4/5 of the state´s leaders were fired all at once, making it a lot easier for them to simply unite as a new group at once, with more than 4/5 of the state leaving with them. (In other areas, the numbers were very different, which is why lcm only lost 4/5 of the group overall when he demanded his foolish oath of loyalty.) Naturally, since this new group was formed from twi members, many of the things that were wrong with twi were wrong with the new group, but some of the worst things (rapes and druggings by the top people comes immediately to mind) seemed to have been left behind at twi. So, yes, my area had problems, but I was spared the worst of many, many horror stories of people who just wanted to serve God.

He appeared in nearly every movie in a well-known series. He also appeared in a Tim Burton movie alongside a whole lot of other people of note.

"When you can do the things that I can, but you don't. and then the bad things happen, they happen because of you." "An empire toppled by its enemies can rise again. But one which crumbles from within? That's dead. Forever." "Who's putting coffee grounds in the disposal? Am I running a bed-and-breakfast for a biker gang? Oh, that's Charles Spencer by the way. He's a great kid. Computer engineering degree. 3.6 GPA. Had a floor-level gig at Intel planned for the fall. But first, he wanted to put a few miles on his soul, before he parked it behind a desk. See the world, maybe be of service. Charlie didn't want to go to Vegas or Fort Lauderdale, which is what I would do. He didn't go to Paris or Amsterdam. Sounds fun. He decided to spend his summer, building sustainable housing for the poor." "Oh, you're going to have to take this to the shop." "Who's speaking?" "It's your conscience. We don't talk a lot these days." "Clearly retirement doesn't suit you. Get tired of playing golf?" "Well, I played 18, I shot 18. Just can't seem to miss." "Hey, man!" " What's up, Tic-Tac?" "Uh, good to see you. Look, what happened last time was... " "It was a great audition, but it'll... It'll never happen again."

No.

PCU DareDevil Spiderman- Homecoming

Any chance this was one movie called "Green Card"?

I´m blanking on the name of the Tri-Lambda rep. So, let´s go somewhere else. John Goodman King Ralph Richard Griffiths

"I get no kick from champagne."

Next movie. "When you can do the things that I can, but you don't. and then the bad things happen, they happen because of you." "An empire toppled by its enemies can rise again. But one which crumbles from within? That's dead. Forever." "Who's putting coffee grounds in the disposal? Am I running a bed-and-breakfast for a biker gang? Oh, that's Charles Spencer by the way. He's a great kid. Computer engineering degree. 3.6 GPA. Had a floor-level gig at Intel planned for the fall. But first, he wanted to put a few miles on his soul, before he parked it behind a desk. See the world, maybe be of service. Charlie didn't want to go to Vegas or Fort Lauderdale, which is what I would do. He didn't go to Paris or Amsterdam. Sounds fun. He decided to spend his summer, building sustainable housing for the poor."

Unsure about the second list, but the first were all in "Hook." Maggie Smith was the original Wendy Darling, Phil Collins was a police detective who logged the missing children report, Glenn Close was definitely disguised as a pirate, and Crosby probably was the same. I´m curious about FIsher and Lucas.

That´s a Stones song. I think the title is "You Get What You Need." ("You can´t always get what you want, but if you try sometimes, you just might find you get what you need.")

I think we did this one once. I was trying to remember that it wasn't Gigli, but.... "Heat"??

...and Joey Fatone hosted "the Singing Bee."

Actually, I was thinking of the old wizard Shazam, who was a character for both companies, but your answer, "BEAT SHAZAM", was correct for the third game.

Twinky: "VPW also used this verse to support his claim: Ex 21:22: If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine. VPW said that if she miscarried as a result of the fighting (striving), then the punishment was only a fine. If it had been a person, it would have had a life and the penalties for the taking of a life would have applied [death or banishment]. He glossed over or rather ignored the "no further mischief" aspect. But look at this same verse in other translations. Several look at this as meaning simply "premature birth" and some go on to talk about premature birth with no further injury (mischief) - ie, death of the child/ren or the mother. The commentaries on this Biblehub link are interesting, especially Gill's commentary (at the bottom of the page)."

KJV: "Luke 1:41 "And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost" Luke 1:44 "For, lo, as soon as the voice of thy salutation sounded in mine ears, the babe leaped in my womb for joy." (Greek word 'brephos', which is also rendered "infant" or "young child" elsewhere.) John was not born yet, but he was considered a babe/baby. What month was he at? Well, according to Gabriel, 6 months. Luke 1:36. "And, behold, thy cousin Elisabeth, she hath also conceived a son in her old age: and this is the sixth month with her, who was called barren." So, John the Baptist, at 6 months if not sooner, was considered a baby, which is some 3 months before "first breath" on the average. That's "sometime before nine months". Further, at 6 months, there was some specificity in that he responded to Mary, and his response somehow indicated a distinction between normal fetal movement and this SPECIFIC reaction. That was in Luke 1:41, as description, and NOT simply a report of Elizabeth's opinion. I expect there's any number of women who've carried a baby for the usual 9 months who could attest to them reacting to stimuli and expressing approval or disapproval in the last trimester. ============================= So, what do we know? We know that, sometime before they take their first breath, they are a baby. We know that, sometime before 9 months, they are a baby. We know that, at the 6th month, they are a baby. We do NOT know if that is the beginning of them being called a baby, or if there's some timeframe before that where the term begins to be applied. We know that a baby is capable of responding to stimuli in the last trimester and is capable of having EMOTIONS (like "joy".) We do not know when that begins, but we know it applies in the last trimester. That's hardly the precise, unambiguous answer we modern folk would like, but it is certainly informative, and it definitely contradicts what vpw/twi said/say. Even so, some people will refuse to see it no matter what BECAUSE vpw taught one thing, so the Bible is not allowed to contradict vpw no matter what.

https://www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/topic/24071-when-is-it-a-person-when-is-it-alive/ vpw put forth the erroneous, self-serving doctrine that a baby, before it is born, is not actually a person. He said it was a THING, a POTENTIAL person, "until it takes its first breath." This allowed him to have twi'ers counsel women to have abortions whenever twi found it inconvenient for them to carry to term. Almost all of it was based purely on vpw's exposition-what he called "private interpretation." The only verse he EVER used on the subject was Luke 1:35. We should all be aware by now that whenever vpw based a doctrine on a single verse, A) it was self-serving and benefited him B) it was based on a misreading of the verse (or a deliberate error) King James Version, Luke 1:35 "And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God." NIV, Luke 1:35 "The angel answered, "The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God." NASB, Luke 1:35 "The angel answered and said to her, "The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; and for that reason the holy Child shall be called the Son of God." ESV, Luke 1:35 "And the angel answered her, "The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; therefore the child to be born will be called holy--the Son of God." CEV, Luke 1:35 "The angel answered, "The Holy Spirit will come down to you, and God's power will come over you. So your child will be called the holy Son of God." Then there's the less literal versions. The only one who mentions a "thing" is the KJV. In fact, even the NEW KJV says.... NKJV, Luke 1:35 "And the angel answered and said to her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Highest will overshadow you; therefore, also, that Holy One who is to be born will be called the Son of God." Last time I studied this in the Greek, I found the most literal word-for-word translation for that phrase matches the NIV and the NKV. The word "hagion" in the Stephens Text (per the Gordon Ricker-Berry Interlinear) is what the KJV renders "holy THING." That's a little odd, since the plural of this word is what's rendered "SAINTS" in the Epistles in the KJV, the "holy ones". This "thing" thing is ERROR. Actually, back in twi-timeframes, I was going verse-by-verse through the Greek on much of the New Testament. (I had the time.) I did look at this verse, Luke 1:35. It is true that the English calls Jesus "that holy thing". It also says "replenish" in Genesis, which has nothing to do with the Hebrew meaning of the word, "to fill". So, we look at the Greek. The most literal Greek I got from Luke 1:35 in that verse, from the phrase "holy thing", which was the Greek word "hagion", was "Holy One." That's because the plural of that word, "oi hagioi", is translated as "the saints." (My Bullinger's Critical Greek Lexicon notes that thus noun was used for "the saints" 61 times, and "saint" in the singular once.) This happens in the openings of several Church Epistles, like Romans 1:7, where the word "saints" in "to all those who are in Rome beloved of God called saints", the word "saints" is "hagiois". So Jesus, at the time of "the Annunciation" (Gabriel visiting Mary) was referred to as a "hagios", and I NOW am referred to as a "hagios". Either we are both a "thing" or we both are NOT. Basic English places a noun as a person, place or thing. Since I am a person, I am not a "thing", since I can't be both "person" and "thing" under basic definitions. (Unless one wants to split hairs and go into different specialist vocabularies in an effort to obscure the subject, anyway.) Therefore, since I'm a person or a "holy one" in that expression, so was he. That's using simple Bible cross-checking: the meaning in Luke 1:35 must agree with ALL usages in Scripture. ======================================= In other words, to any REASONABLE standard, it's clear that Jesus was not called a "holy thing" or any other kind of "thing" anywhere except in the King James Version, and certainly not in the Greek texts from which the KJV was translated. Jesus was called a "holy one" there, to be most direct and most literal. So, twi had/has no basis from Scripture for claiming a person begins only at the moment of birth. So, does the Bible have anything to say on when an unborn fetus officially becomes a "baby" or a person? Actually, it does-and it's well short of the 9 months vpw claimed...

The "explanation" given by vpw was that when a person died, they "took their last breath." [CHAPTER AND VERSE, PLEASE.] Therefore, since life ENDED with the LAST breath [SAYS WHO?] then it would have to officially BEGIN with the FIRST breath. The closest there was to any actual Bible verses used was to cite Adam's first breath, and generalize that universally as "the moment when life begins for everyone, everywhere, including animals, in perpetuity." The sentence "The first breath of the child is soul life, until that time there is no soul life" appears in the Advanced class, but this is yet another time vpw spoke error. His lack of understanding of deep matters meant he flubbed them a lot if he couldn't recite from memory the answer of someone who understood better than him. Why am I so sure that this doctrine of vpw and twi IS ERROR? It's error because the Bible says otherwise......

This is a round about game-shows about songs. Name any one to take the round. A) Joey Fatone hosted this show. He showed up, and began singing to the music the band played. He went around the audience, and stopped and passed the microphone to an audience-member who then sang the next line, If they did it correctly, he sent them onstage to compete in the episode. (Repeat until the entire panel was filled from the audience.) Some rounds had the song posted with lots of words missing like holes in Swiss cheese, and there were points for each correct fill-in by a singer. A number of contestants began and were quickly eliminated until the final round, where someone competed solo for a the finale. B) Made to compete with Joe Fatone's show, this show quickly became more popular. Wayne Brady hosted this show. It was said you didn't have to sing well, you just had to [game show title], more or less. Contests went with a single contestant at a time, trying to sing the words to the songs. Each round, they had to pick one of the posted categories, then pick one of the 2 songs posted, then sing the words. Each round, they had to pick another until all the categories were eliminated, and each round requited slightly more missing words filled in. The final round they had to decide to move forward and risk it all, or take their money and run, all with no assistance and only the CATEGORY revealed, not the single song they would have to sing. There also were some celebrity episodes with them playing for charity, which I quite liked. Oh, and the assists were 1 each of 3 assists: select 2 of the missing words to be filled, select for 3 lines to be shown with one of them being the correct line they needed, and bring up your back-up singer to the microphone to sing it for you (if you think they know the answer.) My favorite moment was when Meat Loaf brought up his back-up singer, his friend Patty. She came up and announced "I am The Meat Patty!" before going for the answer. C) This more recent show was hosted by Jamie Foxx. It had several teams of 2 players trying to identify songs that they heard, by picking their titles from a list. The points went to the one with the right answer- or the FASTEST correct answer if 2 or 3 got it correct.) The final round had the top team try to name songs without a list, and identify them by sound before the show's dreaded music app could name the songs. They could potentially take home a million dollars (split 2 ways) if they could perform the show's title. The app is older than the show and was designed specifically for identifying songs after hearing a clip of a song. This is a current show. Neither the app nor the show have any connection with any comic book character, not even any property of DC nor Fawcett.

A pity you were unable to put the title into practice....

Close enough, Human! The band IS "Chumbawumba." The official song title is "Tubthumping." "Tubthumping" is a British slang expression somewhere for what happens in election campaigns- the candidate arrives and gets up to make his speech. The band's name came from a strange dream one of them had. In the dream, men were called chumbas, and women were called wumbas. You clearly know the chorus ("I get knocked down, but I get up again, they ain't never gonna keep me down.") Your turn, Human!

twi has hemmoraged almost all its members. They have nothing to offer new people. They are unable to get their current members to produce enormous litters of fast-maturing offspring that they could soak for income (impossible for several reasons, of course.) So, with nothing to offer people who've never heard of twi, they're pretty desperate for "new" (old, returning) members they can soak for more income/ Social Security checks. So, the few people left inside are told to be especially nice to people like you, and see if they can rope you in all over again. twi has "calmed down" in the sense that it is boring and putting people to sleep, and no longer has the luxury of chasing off lukewarm members who still give them money or buy their products. hq was never your home, no matter what you were told.