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That's him. There was the scene where the monster woke up and wasn't the genius Hans Delbruck that Frederick expected. (I-gor didn't use that brain-he dropped that brain, and grabbed the nearest one "DO NOT USE-ABNORMAL".) The monster attacked Frederick and they tranqued the monster. ("Quick, give him the....") Calmly, Frederick questioned I-gor about which brain was in the monster, and promised he would not get angry. I-gor remembered the name as "Abby Normal" with some work. Frederick realized what the label must have said, and said this quote, beginning calmly, and attacking I-gor at the end. (I-gor "Quick, give him the...") The scene was interrupted by Inspector Kemp coming to check things out and talk to Frederick.

That's it.

"Now, don't hang on, Nothing lasts forever but the earth and sky. It slips away, and all your money won't another minute buy."

Is this "THE OUTER LIMITS"?

For reasons unclear to me, it seems my descriptions work better by describing the 2nd name first. It keeps happening, I don't know why. BTW, you're going to kick yourself.

Mrs Wolf thinks it MIGHT be "Mission Impossible." I'm pretty confident it's NOT "In Search Of".

A foreign prince travels to Queens to look for a bride. Now he must balance his royal responsibilities with the life he's made in Queens since he acquired super powers. Supporting cast includes John Amos, Louie Anderson, Don Ameche and Ralph Bellamy, Tyne Daly, Jennifer Connelly, Bokeem Woodbine and Garcelle Beauvais.

"You killed my father. Prepare to die."

Stepping on Bela Lugosi could be dangerous- he might turn and bite. But, they're all "CELLULOID HEROES," and "celluloid heroes never feel any pain"and "celluloid heroes never really die." Not the usual Kinks song, but quite memorable.

A foreign prince travels to Queens to look for a bride. Now he must balance his royal responsibilities with the life he's made in Queens since he acquired super powers.

A foreign prince travels to Queens to look for a bride. Now he must balance his royal responsibilities with the life he's made since he acquired super powers.

I keep thinking Bridget Nielson was in that. Oh, got it! Grace Jones View To A Kill Roger Moore

Any more roles?

Yes. Sorry, I thought I responded.

*looks it up* I've never heard of this song, and I've never heard of this GROUP.

As longtime GSC readers know, "present truth" didn't mean anything like what twi SAID it meant. It meant "the truth that is here", not the truth of today.

Whenever twi had a doctrine or a practice based entirely on a single verse, you can rest assured that the verse said nothing like what they said it said. It was taken out of context, or the awkward King James English could be creatively misunderstood to supposedly support a claim that it didn't support at all. I think it was originally Goey here who pointed out this particular lie. twi taught that the truth CHANGED- that the truth that is current, or "present" is different from the truth that was ("the past") and the truth that will be (the "future.") The problem here, of course is that the awkward King James English can be misunderstood, and the English word "PRESENT" has 3 different meanings, all in general use: 1) the current time (not the past nor the future) 2) the physical location right here (present here, similar to "presence", and people announce they are "present") 3) a gift (receiving presents) The entire doctrine that there is a truth today- a "present truth"- is based ENTIRELY on one verse and is not repeated anywhere else- which should get one suspicious if nothing else. 2 Peter 1:12King James Version (KJV) 12 Wherefore I will not be negligent to put you always in remembrance of these things, though ye know them, and be established in the present truth. Does it mean that the truth now is different from the truth of the past or the future? No, it's referring to the truth that is HERE, physically PRESENT. The truth is here! No need to wait for the truth-here it is! It's obvious when you check out other English versions. 2 Peter 1:12American Standard Version (ASV) 12 Wherefore I shall be ready always to put you in remembrance of these things, though ye know them, and are established in the truth which is with you. 2 Peter 1:12Good News Translation (GNT) 12 And so I will always remind you of these matters, even though you already know them and are firmly grounded in the truth you have received. 2 Peter 1:12New American Standard Bible (NASB) 12 Therefore, I will always be ready to remind you of these things, even though you already know them, and have been established in the truth which is present with you. 2 Peter 1:12New Revised Standard Version (NRSV) 12 Therefore I intend to keep on reminding you of these things, though you know them already and are established in the truth that has come to you. twi doesn't get to "strike and replace" truths and contradict Scripture with a claim that this new "truth"(new lie) is now the "present truth"(present lie) based on this verse-or on anything else for that matter. This won't stop them, because they care more about serving themselves than serving God, and think that an objective truth has no value because it's not something they can control, and can't serve them.

For those who missed it, Vespers Chimes Hour Caravan was another Christian radio show with Christian music and a sermon. It was neither the first, nor the last, and Christian radio to this day has Christian music, sermons, and Christian music with sermons. If it sounds NOTHING like twi to you, that's because it WAS nothing like twi. With Vespers Chimes, vpw plagiarized sermons off of Christian writers here and there whom he was editing. In twi, vpw plagiarized entire classes and programs, mostly from a handful of writers like EW Bullinger and JE Stiles, and did so right after he plagiarized BG Leonard's class in its entirety (yes, he taught the entire class as his own, a few months after taking it.) The twi experience really began when vpw went to the Groovy Christians who were already successful Christians, and fooled some of them into thinking he was some great one, using the work of Leonard, Bullinger, etc. He turned them into the recruiting arm of twi, and those of us with positive experiences in twi can trace them all from the influence of THOSE Christians, not the canned classes vpw ripped off. So, Vespers Chimes Hour Caravan had nothing whatsoever in common with twi except that vpw was supposedly running one, then the other. To claim one is a continuation of the other is blatantly dishonest- and twi being dishonest should come as no surprise anymore. vpw claimed it was the same, and vpw being dishonest should come as no surprise anymore. If you tell the most blatant, dishonest lie in the world enough times, some people will start to believe it-which has probably been made into a motivational sign hanging up somewhere in twi.

I'm not going to pretend the continuance of the splinters over decades is a good thing. However, nearly everyone I ever met who was in twi as a regular has moved on- and they jumped from twi to a splinter group, then drifted off entirely from the splinter group sooner or later. So, to pull numbers out of the air with no claim to accuracy, if 3% of twi is still in twi, and another 7% is running or attending splinter groups, and 80% joined splinter groups then left, then the splinter groups were good for the 80% even if they're bad for the 7% remaining. (Not counting the other 10% who just walked off by themselves without stopping in a splinter group.) In attendance, twi and the splinters are running a zero-sum game. Neither is bringing in attendees as a net gain- splinters bring in ex-twi one way or another. With neither twi nor the splinters bringing in enough people to replace the ones that leave voluntarily or die of old age (a few people joining means the numbers still trickle downwards), the problem of both is self-correcting in the long run. Each "one true household" will dwindle down to one household, and eventually one elderly person pontificating by himself/herself to a circle of empty chairs. In the meantime, yes, that's not good news to the aging folk who choose to remain in their splinters, but they're adults and can make their own choices. It's not like they haven't been warned. How hard is it to find us and other opposing viewpoints if one is trying?

I'd wonder how Raf is posting without the power grid, but there's lots of possible answers (battery power, generator... his house still has power or he moved to a hotel with its own generator....) With local news here slow this weekend,we actually have had a lot of Miami coverage. (Especially last night, when we got a local thunderstorm here so everyone stayed at home and nothing happened.) So, we're watching coverage of Miami, with rain outside adding verisimilitude to the live reports. My favorite was a woman staying in Miami, who said she was confident the thing wasn't going to be as bad as they described...maybe it would shrink to a Category 1 before it arrived. Personally, I don't think storms tend to jump directly from Cat5 to Cat1, but then I'm not a weatherman.

I've seen much of "Silence of the Lambs" but kept missing the early scenes. I have new idea on the current one.

I've often said that the splinter groups have served a valuable purpose as "airlocks." Just as a person returning from deep underwater needs to spend some time in differing pressure environments before reaching the surface (their body needs to adjust to different pressure environments), people leaving twi need time to spend in differing pressure environments before fully escaping (their mind needs to adjust to different pressure environments.) So, part of it is being enough like the imagined "good old days" of twi, while a person looks around and sees that the rest of the world and the rest of Christianity really is no worse than twi and is usually better. Once that's sunk in, then the splinter needs to turn up the heat and do something stupid so the person gets sick and tired of being sick and tired, and jumps ship completely from twi and ex-twi. Then they can go do something else- alone, with other Christians, with non-Christians. etc. So, as we see, the pinhead who tried to bully Twinky while having a meltdown served a vital function- he drove off "his congregation" and they went out into the world just as Twinky did, and for much the same reasons. He didn't MEAN it that way, but it worked out that way. (He meant it to her for evil...)

*reads* The copy I was able to read online, by Bill W himself, of the 12 Traditions, does sound similar to the "self-supporting" thing twi'ers know so well. It's entirely possible that vpw got the idea from there, or developed it further from there. However, the idea predates AA. The concept of the "indigenous church", begun in mission work, includes "the three selfs", and may predate the 20th century. Certainly, its earliest proponents, like Henry Venn, did- he died in 1873. I know that vpw ripped off the phrase and concept of :"rice Christians" from the mission fields and criticisms of it -which are hand-in-hand with why "the three selfs" were proposed- for his little booklet on "the Dilemma of Foreign Missions." (Given his history of plagiarism, and the unoriginality of his criticisms of the mission field, it should have been possible for vpw to type out the whole thing having never BEEN to the mission fields at all (and from the way he spoke about the things, I doubt he was actually among "the people" and not the VIPs for most of his trip. =============================================== http://www.dacb.org/stories/non africans/legacy_venn.html "Henry Venn was one of the shapers and movers of the nineteenth-century missionary movement. Today he is known chiefly as a father of the "indigenous church" principle (self-supporting, self-governing, self-propagating)." Voice of the Martyrs: http://persecutedchurch.blogspot.com.ar/2007/07/is-three-self-formula-still-relevant.html "Most students of missions have heard of the principle that a newly planted church is mature or indigenous when it is self-governing, self-propagating, and self-supporting. " https://missionissues.wordpress.com/2007/09/11/the-three-selves-formula-1/ "I assume that all students of missiology are familiar with the three-selves formula. But then, I’m not writing here only for missiologists and therefore a very short explanation of the three-selves formula is appropriate. In 1854 and 1856 (specific dates debatable), two missionaries, Henry Venn and Rufus Anderson, independently of each other, said that the three signs of an indigenous church are that they should be self-propagating, self-governing and self-supporting. John Nevius, who also lived in the times of Venn and Anderson, further popularised this so-called “three-self” paradigm. Since that time it has almost universally been accepted that these three characteristics should be present before a church can be considered to be indigenous. I was taught these principles at university and have on more than one occasion heard, during mission meetings, how important it is that these principles should be adhered to in the church in Swaziland." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indigenous_church_mission_theory has a history of the subject and a list of names to look up for the interested. ============================================= It's currently a topic of some disagreement whether or not they are relevant to Christianity, mission work, or the Bible. I'm not going to pretend to know enough to speak on it either way. However, vpw used some of their terminology, including the terminology for the "con" side while he was promoting the "pro" side for use in twi! So, we know he was well-familiar with this topic- which was well-published long before he studied.

Supposedly, UMPlayer's Mac version reads rm files just fine. I'm not running a Mac and can't check it. (I had a problem with its Windows version, but I may just have a bad download.)

As much as I empathize with the crowds of individuals who have been hurt and exploited by twi across the decades, I have to cast a suspicious eye here. These were people who were in during the 70s. They saw it get worse into the 80s. They lived through the confrontations at the top and the firings. They lived through Geer's power-grab and "Passing of the Patriarch"-when some of the top leaders left because the BOT was deaf to criticism,They lived through lcm's demand for an oath of loyalty-when 4/5 of the ministry either left because they were fed up (or outraged someone would make such an unBiblical request), or were kicked out because they simply refused to take such an oath (or left because others were kicked out for refusing to take such an oath.) They were in a leadership position at the time and retained it- which tells us that when lcm demanded that people make an oath of loyalty to HIM PERSONALLY, they SWORE THAT OATH. (Others were kicked out of twi immediately for refusing.) They stayed through the next year, when more people trickled out as the completely new (more blatant) direction of twi was made plain. They stayed all through the 90s, when lcm kicked people out for "suspicion" or for refusing to hand over more of their salary to twi. They stayed through all the slanders at respected leaders who left. They stayed when lcm ADMITTED to abusing his office and committing adulterous acts with members of the congregation. They stayed when rfr tightened things so much that people on-grounds were required to sign in and out when going to use the toilet. They stayed when the SNS tapes were expected to be listened to live when they were recorded, then again privately, and yet again with the local groups (rather than teach something new.) They stayed through all the orders to bleach teachings clean of anything approaching originality, and enforcement of that across the country. They stayed through all that, all while across the DECADES, others left and did just fine without twi. In fact, some local groups just drifted off and did exactly what they people claimed they wanted to do- be self-governing and self-propagating and just teach some Bible. This happened lots of times, across the country, across the DECADES. These people stayed with twi all through that. In fact, in this account, they stayed through virtually their entire adult life, *counts* a FORTY-YEAR journey that was just FINE staying in twi while virtually everyone else who was ever in twi got sick of it and left, even if it was to go off and teach more Bible without the fascism and venom. That's more time in twi than some ex-twi'ers have been ALIVE. NOW they're jumping ship. Obviously, something has changed NOW, something that they care about. Is it a sudden absence of Bible, or a sudden wave of directives? No- those were all more severe in the past, and these people stayed. What changed NOW is that this is their personal opportunity to leave. Not just "keep doing what God wants"-they could have done that anytime, most of us did just that when we left- but to leave WITH A STRUCTURE IN PLACE AND A POSITION OF AUTHORITY. They're leaving with their whole new DENOMINATION and their elder's hat, leaving to step into authority. It wasn't enough to just teach some Bible and pray. They waited until they had an organic structure of exactly who they wanted, AND a chance to leave with an OFFICE in that structure. (It wasn't enough to just run a local Bible fellowship, or they would have drifted off decades ago.) So, yes, the timing is, to say the least, peculiar- not for when it IS, but for when it ISN'T. Anyone think there's a mid-life crisis or two in there?