WordWolf

"4. Everybody else (rank unbelievers)" should be more properly called what we heard them called back in twi.... "EMPTIES." Lacking the Spirit of God, they were "empties", "just another empty on the rubbish pile." I'm not even sure Catholics were rated above practitioners of other religions. They were regularly lambasted for being "idolaters"- which is a bit rich coming from a group that practically expected sunlight to shine out of victor paul wierwille's navel. "Idolatry" is an apt term for the standard practices at twi, both then and now.

It really depends on the YEAR more than the place, IMHO. When I got in, everyone was pressured to take the Foundational. All Foundational grads were pressured to take the Intermediate. All Intermediate grads were pressured to take all the other classes, then you were pressured to take the Advanced class. Twi had already, in effect, kicked out my Territory before I was an Advanced class grad, so I wasn't pressured to climb the twi ladder any higher once that happened. If they hadn't, I would have heard about either the wow program, the college division, or the way corps. After that, I would have heard about the next one in line... The main income for twi was the tithe/"ABS", but it's not a coincidence that each and every class cost the students money and cost twi almost nothing, with locals carrying the expenses (site, A/V machines, refreshments....) and each program twi ran, ran at a profit. "You'll grow 10 years in one." Pay twi money to select a place, then tell you to get there on your own, support yourself financially, and spend the year promoting the pfal class and running pfal classes (at a profit to twi each time, with the chance of adding another person to twi giving 10% of their income with each student.) For a group supposedly "running" a program, wows were hardly "supported". In fact, I'm aware of wows who were messed over by HQ, who then asked HQ to partially fix their own mess, were promised HQ would- then were promptly forgotten and left to twist in the wind.

A) George Lamsa was a crackpot whose status in twi was due to victor paul wierwille's reverence of him- and he was twi's all-time crackpot. B) vpw was notorious for taking the work of others and parroting it without understanding, and pretending he was its author. That's why he repeated mistakes made by Bullinger, even when they were easy to disprove (i.e. "the kingdom of heaven is one thing, the kingdom of God is something else.") vpw insisted the New Testament was given originally in Aramaic because Lamsa said so, and the way corps was expected (and required) to do research that agreed with vpw's conclusions. In other words, the Way Magazine is not a RELIABLE or TRUSTWORTHY source on Aramaic vs Greek, and George Lamsa is not, either. (I am suspicious of any work that proceeds from the pen of a crackpot.) You purportedly have lots of other sources at your fingertips. Those would strengthen your case, but these would not- not unless someone is still in awe of twi, vpw, or Lamsa simply because vpw or twi said to be in awe of Lamsa. People still in awe of any of those don't post at the GSC. In general, they flee from the GSC like a vampire fleeing sunlight.

I've mentioned before that a lack of twi suing tends to support they were UNABLE to sue, since they'll sue anything and anyone they can. That having been said, I really look for more than that as support for any claim. I'm still hoping for something we can look through. Not simply to see if what you said is correct, but the general subject of twi lawsuits interests the locals on the board, of whom I am one.

No argument there! However, REAL churches have programs that operate at a financial LOSS because they're designed for the benefit of the people, not to make money. twi, as an organization, NEVER ran anything where a financial profit was not expected. Unless you count vpw's plane, vpw's motorcycle fleet, paying for DAILY Drambuie and cigars for vpw.....

The only training where any real expert education came in was the Dale Carnegie Sales training. That tells you slick vic's priorities right there. The way corps was expected to be a big sales force after graduation. Before graduation, of course, you were unpaid labor, and the prospective pool of victims for vpw and his criminal gang. Considering you all paid for the privilege of working for twi, it was very profitable for them, from a soulless, financial point of view. On the other hand, the wow program was a program where you paid money to run pfal classes and recruit more people to twi, who would then be expected to pay 10% of their income to twi. No, that was also very profitable for them, from a soulless, financial point of view.

Too bad. They would have been interesting. Without court transcripts, are there any legal documents that are accessible to the public that stated the settlement, or is the settlement something we have to completely accept your word on?

James, you've been pasting a LOT on a few subjects. I'd like to point out something. This is the board of twi SURVIVORS, where people learn (if they didn't learn it sooner) that the person who most pushed the Aramaic primacy in their experience was an evil, error-ridden fraud. This automatically predisposes most of the posters to be suspicious of anything and everything they said. That means that, if you're looking for people to agree with you, this is another board where you're going to post and post and barely see any agreement. Whether you want people to agree with you because you think you're right, or because it means more book sales, or it means more people looking to you as some authority, you're looking at "diminishing returns"- especially because you're inspiring the "too long, didn't read" phenomenon. Coming from me, a notice that someone is posting too long really should tell you something...

This error vpw plagiarized was corrected in the Intermediate class, where "all without exception or all with a distinction" was said. It was never pointed out as an ERROR or a CORRECTION, mind you....

What was his obsession with the APACHES, anyway? He was ALWAYS comparing them with the APACHES. Never the Sioux, the Navajo, the Cherokee....

It's closer to "doctrinal" than to being "About the Way", which is specifically concerning the organization calling itself "the way international", and things directly concerning it. The scholarly stuff in general usually belongs in "Doctrinal." Feel free to request a Moderator to just move this thread or any similar thread down there.

Let us not forget that vpw, at times, would single out his German heritage in complimentary terms, and NEVER went on record saying Hitler was bad, that Nazi Germany was bad, and so on. One poster spoke of his daughter being in high school, along with several local twi'ers. Their high school had a guest speaker- a Holocaust SURVIVOR- as in "the Nazis arrested me for the crime of being Jewish and threw me in a concentration camp." The twi high schoolers made a nuisance of themselves and mocked her to the point of driving the guest speaker to tears, stopping when the other high schooler MADE them shut up.

Just a friendly reminder. The "rule of thumb" for this thread is movies that are fairly well-known, with lines that point specifically to that movie, with the goal that people who have never SEEN the movie would say "That sounds like (name of movie.)".

Right.

I try to leave a few "softballs" for new people to jump in on.

It's your turn, H w/o t b.

No, I'm just used to the songs all charting before I was born, so I don't follow the thread so closely.... ======================= Next one. "You could have a steam train, if you'd just lay down your tracks."

The idea wasn't "to look like a cult". The idea was to make money, get people, and allow victor paul wierwille to exploit both in God's name. That it looked like the cult it was wasn't the idea-it was a side-effect of it BEING a cult. vpw didn't care much if it looked like a cult- so long as he could spin it so as to get more money and people. Which he did.

Looks like the general pleasantries are over, and James Trimm is now trying to advertise for converts on the GSC. The GSC posters are all very cynical- once bitten, twice shy. We're not looking for another organization, another special group which is the elite group of Christian with the "exclusive" truth while all other Christians walk in darkness. We've been there, done that, bought the T-shirts. You've advertised your books, you've celebrated your victory over twi (if it actually happened as you stated), but that's as far as you can expect to get.

I think a fairly good case can be made for some, most, or all of the 4 Gospels having been given originally in Aramaic and soon after translated into Greek. From what I've seen, that can't honestly be said of the Epistles, and few people have attempted to make that claim. Basically, Lamsa did, and Lamsa disciples do, and vpw did as someone who parroted Lamsa as he parroted others. That is, not counting present company. I noticed that when you got to someone specifically claiming the Epistles had such an origin, your source was Lamsa. It's no secret around here that Lamsa was a crackpot and a megalomaniac, and might have been where vpw ripped off the assertion that he was some special unique Christian in his lifetime.

No, it's called "Mary Jane's Last Dance." "Last dance with Mary Jane, One more time to kill the pain. I feel summer creepin' in and I'm tired of this town again." IIRC, it's on Tom Petty's "Greatest Hits" album for him and the Heartbreakers.

Yes, and I didn't even get to any of the more telling quotes. BTW, if you help a woman deliver her baby because she can't reach the hospital in time, and she offers to name the baby after you, and asks your name, give her your FIRST name, not your LAST name. She might name a son "Stanley" but not ""Wojciehowicz." I've heard that when police are asked which cop show is most like real police work, they consistently vote for "Barney Miller." Out of all of them, it's the one show that shows trying to calm people down and get them to fill out the paperwork.

Billy, so many things happened right under your nose that since this is 2 other posters' words against yours, & I have to choose the more reliable source, I know which to choose. (Besides, even Jesus drew the line at "two witnesses" (Matthew 18:16.)

"I want to name my baby after you. What's your name?" "Wojciehowicz." "Que?" "I didn't know Orientals had a sense of humor." "Are you kidding? We invented gunpowder." "Hey, where's my sashimi and cream cheese on a bagel?" "Here it's called lox." "The hell it is. We had it before you did." "I think of you as experienced. In an emergency, you would be the first one that I'd call." "You SHOULD call me first. I need time to put my teeth in."