WordWolf

Might they be rerun on television every year around the end of that month?

Bumps for the lurkers....

Well, this one was Fatboy Slim's "Weapon of Choice." If you've never seen the video, you'll want to....

What's different is that the way international is now SAYING it's different. Other than that, it's pretty much the same. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

The thing is, if his version is plagiarized from THEIR book(s), then they have a legal basis for a complaint (violation of their legal rights under copyright law), and are entitled to their day in court, and judgment in their favor. Whether or not his version is plagiarized from their book(s) is a matter for the court(s) to determine. From a Christian standpoint, it would be better if they went directly to him and tried to get satisfaction from him first. I do not know if they attempted this. From a legal standpoint, that is not required beyond possibly issuing a cease-and-desist letter. It should be no surprise IF the way international handled this solely as a legal matter, and ignored how the Bible says to treat other Christians- they abuse their OWN Christians and are unlikely to treat outsider Christians with the respect Christians usually accord one another at this time.

Clicking this to the top....

I thought this thread might be handy at the moment.

When it comes to compassion, there's nothing new at the way international. twi has always preferred to be more like Job's miserable comforters than like anything Jesus Christ said to behave like.

Those lines are, the song as a whole is not taken to be. (An argument conceivably could be made for it, but not a popular one.) =========================== "Walk without rhythm, it won't attract the worm. Walk without rhythm, and it won't attract the worm! Walk without rhythm, and it won't attract the worm. if you walk without rhythm...you never learn." "Organically grown. Through the hemisphere I roam. To make love to the angels of light, yeah and my girl. I guess you just don't understand- It's gone beyond bein' a man. As I drift off into the night I'm in flight."

Here's trying something different. "Walk without rhythm, it won't attract the worm. Walk without rhythm, and it won't attract the worm! Walk without rhythm, and it won't attract the worm. if you walk without rhythm...you never learn."

Ok. I give. That song was the Talking Heads "And She Was."

Proverbs 11:!4. "Where no counsel is, the people fall: but in the multitude of counsellors there is safety." You've had the benefit of counsel of a number of posters. They've all said different things in different ways, but they all offered the same general advice and foresaw the same general outcome. Of course, you're free to ignore them all, keep saying you know better than everyone else, and keep yourself as a client in a court of law. (There's a saying about that.) Us, we'll just wait for the report of how badly you get spanked. You've chosen a losing strategy, and chosen to ignore the advice of the people who actually didn't recommend you getting spanked. Either you're so narcissistic you can't see you're completely outclassed and don't know your way around a courtroom, or you KNOW you're going to crash and burn and are persisting out of some perverse desire to be humiliated in court. Either way, there's really no point to posting here anymore, unless you want to join in some of the discussions with nothing to do with your court-case. You're free to do that, of course...

[You're going to make an argument that the First Amendment clause of freedom of religion means you're entitled to infringe copyright? All I have left to say is, go for it, and let us know what happens.]

They can hear any plagiarism case whenever they want. Charges of plagiarism or lack thereof are independent of the content of the plagiarized work. If that's the extent of your defense, you're going to get spanked by the real lawyers. The LAYMEN here can apparently fry you like a fish. My post was a tactical assessment. For fun, I'm an armchair tactician. I look over situations and make an appraisal of what strategies could lead to victory, and I look over strategies and assess what they say of the people who chose them. Sun Tzu would have pointed out that tactical assessments are to be made before any conflict, and victory or defeat should be determined before BEGINNING the conflict. Winners won first on paper, then went to the conflict, losers went to the conflict THEN tried to win. There's strategies for use when one is "strong" and strategies for use when one is "weak". In this case, arguing directly from evidence is "strong" and arguing to dismiss or disregard evidence is "weak." So far, the "weak" argument is not good enough for a judge to take it seriously- thus it would be a LOSING argument. Sun Tzu said that if you were unable to fight "strong" and refused to fight with a winning "weak" strategy, you would lose. In this case, that means you're smoked meat. Of course, you're free to ignore everything I've said, and let the judge tell you the same thing in different words when it will cost you thousands of dollars. That's the strategic summary. If I can see it, real lawyers and judges can see it, too. We've had some lengthy discussions here in the past on what is allowed and what is prohibited under US laws concerning plagiarism. The court will rule on whether your work is plagiarized or original. If your "argument" is based on anything else, you're going to get filleted.

That sums it all up nicely. Good work, mstar.

For everyone except James Trimm, this is very simple. Party A (the way international, known criminal cartel) has claimed that Party B (James Trimm) has plagiarized a written work of theirs, and has sued over it. Party B has 2 possible responses. 1) "I produced this work independently and I shall demonstrate how I did it!" This indicates he honestly put in the work and can show some of it. 2) "I shall obfuscate the issues, and debate the meaning of the word 'is'." This indicates he honestly did NOT put in the work and is trying to fog the issues as much as possible. Looks like we're seeing a clear example of Scenario 2.

I was being coy. Gen-2 actually said the name! That makes it her turn!

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

*wild swing* Is this "the Good Son"?

I will go so far as to say that anything posted here, including your best 'arguments', are subject to replies by the posters, including possible refutation before the way international even gets to you. Since twi has staffers ASSIGNED to read the GSC (which is often the sole real source of news available to the few people still in twi about twi itself, since twi maintains news blackouts), presenting your 'arguments' here will include presenting them in advance to twi. That having been said, this messageboard is one of the few places people will go to read and discuss twi, so once any official judgements are made, feel free to post anything that's a matter of public record and not confidential concerning the case. It will be discussed, you may be disagreed with, but it will definitely be READ-which, I think, was one point when you arrived here.

"And she could hear the highway breathing. And she could see a nearby factory. She's making sure she is not dreaming. See the lights of a neighbor's house, Now she's starting to rise. Take a minute to concentrate And she opens up her eyes. The world was moving, she was right there with it..." "..She was moving very slowly Rising up above the earth. Moving into the universe And she's drifting this way and that. Not touching the ground at all And she's up above the yard." "...was proud about it... no doubt about it. She isn't sure about what she's done. No time to think about what to tell him. No time to think about what she's done" "things were looking like a movie. She had a pleasant elevation. She's moving out in all directions." "Joining the world of missing persons" (last quote)

I Kings 15:5 KJV: Because David did that which was right in the eyes of the LORD, and turned not aside from any thing that he commanded him all the days of his life, save only in the matter of Uriah the Hittite. NASB: because David did what was right in the sight of the LORD, and had not turned aside from anything that He commanded him all the days of his life, except in the case of Uriah the Hittite. ================================== If victor paul wierwille should be compared to anyone in the Bible, it should be Balaam. ------------------------------------------------------------ II Peter 2:1-3, 12- (NASB unless otherwise specified.) But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will also be false teachers among you, who will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing swift destruction upon themselves. 2Many will follow their sensuality, and because of them the way of the truth will be maligned; 3and in their greed they will exploit you with false words; their judgment from long ago is not idle, and their destruction is not asleep. -------------- 12But these, like unreasoning animals, born as creatures of instinct to be captured and killed, reviling where they have no knowledge, will in the destruction of those creatures also be destroyed, 13suffering wrong as the wages of doing wrong They count it a pleasure to revel in the daytime They are stains and blemishes, reveling in their deceptions, as they carouse with you, 14having eyes full of adultery that never cease from sin, enticing unstable souls, having a heart trained in greed, accursed children; 15forsaking the right way, they have gone astray, having followed the way of Balaam, the son of Beor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness; 16but he received a rebuke for his own transgression, for a mute donkey, speaking with a voice of a man, restrained the madness of the prophet. 17These are springs without water and mists driven by a storm, for whom the black darkness has been reserved. 18For speaking out arrogant words of vanity they entice by fleshly desires, by sensuality, those who barely escape from the ones who live in error, 19promising them freedom while they themselves are slaves of corruption; for by what a man is overcome, by this he is enslaved. 20For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world by the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and are overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first. Jude 3-11 3Beloved, while I was making every effort to write you about our common salvation, I felt the necessity to write to you appealing that you contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all handed down to the saints. 4For certain persons have crept in unnoticed, those who were long beforehand marked out for this condemnation, ungodly persons who turn the grace of our God into licentiousness and deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ. 5Now I desire to remind you, though you know all things once for all, that the Lord, after saving a people out of the land of Egypt, subsequently destroyed those who did not believe. 6And angels who did not keep their own domain, but abandoned their proper abode, He has kept in eternal bonds under darkness for the judgment of the great day, 7just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, since they in the same way as these indulged in gross immorality and went after strange flesh, are exhibited as an example in undergoing the punishment of eternal fire. 8Yet in the same way these men, also by dreaming, defile the flesh, and reject authority, and revile angelic majesties. 9But Michael the archangel, when he disputed with the devil and argued about the body of Moses, did not dare pronounce against him a railing judgment, but said, "The Lord rebuke you!" 10But these men revile the things which they do not understand; and the things which they know by instinct, like unreasoning animals, by these things they are destroyed. 11Woe to them! For they have gone the way of Cain, and for pay they have rushed headlong into the error of Balaam, and perished in the rebellion of Korah. Revelation 2:13-15. 13'I know where you dwell, where Satan's throne is; and you hold fast My name, and did not deny My faith even in the days of Antipas, My witness, My faithful one, who was killed among you, where Satan dwells. 14'But I have a few things against you, because you have there some who hold the teaching of Balaam, who kept teaching Balak to put a stumbling block before the sons of Israel, to eat things sacrificed to idols and to commit acts of immorality. 15'So you also have some who in the same way hold the teaching of the Nicolaitans. ================================================ II Peter 2:1-3, 12- (NASB unless otherwise specified.) "But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will also be false teachers among you, who will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing swift destruction upon themselves. 2Many will follow their sensuality, and because of them the way of the truth will be maligned; 3and in their greed they will exploit you with false words; their judgment from long ago is not idle, and their destruction is not asleep." -------------- [God warned that false prophets AND false teachers would come, and introduce "destructive heresies" secretly. They would teach (by action and lesson) SENSUALITY- a following-after of lusts and the deeds of the flesh. Their GREED was the motive for EXPLOITING CHRISTIANS, and why they lied to them.] 12But these, like unreasoning animals, born as creatures of instinct to be captured and killed, reviling where they have no knowledge, will in the destruction of those creatures also be destroyed, 13suffering wrong as the wages of doing wrong They count it a pleasure to revel in the daytime They are stains and blemishes, reveling in their deceptions, as they carouse with you, 14having eyes full of adultery that never cease from sin, enticing unstable souls, having a heart trained in greed, accursed children; [Animals operate primarily from instinct. They don't really REASON, or deal in abstractions. Humans were granted reason to make their own decisions. Humans have no excuse when they choose to embrace instincts. Some humans have chosen to sin in the daytime. That's one thing, but here, WORSE is being spoken of- these chronic, voluntary sinners choose to DECEIVE and pretend they are fine, upstanding leaders- with small exceptions for when they're interacting with their fellow Christians.] ---------------- 15forsaking the right way, they have gone astray, having followed the way of Balaam, the son of Beor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness; 16but he received a rebuke for his own transgression, for a mute donkey, speaking with a voice of a man, restrained the madness of the prophet. 17These are springs without water and mists driven by a storm, for whom the black darkness has been reserved. 18For speaking out arrogant words of vanity they entice by fleshly desires, by sensuality, those who barely escape from the ones who live in error, 19promising them freedom while they themselves are slaves of corruption; for by what a man is overcome, by this he is enslaved. 20For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world by the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and are overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first. ======= [balaam was a prophet of God, and was supposed to SERVE GOD. Instead Balaam served his appetites, Balaam served SIN. Balaam loved MONEY, and exhibited MADNESS over it. He really, really loved money. None of us dislike it, but this man was willing to practice idolatry over it. People like him are haughty and full of self-pride, and teach others to sin and follow lusts. They speak of FREEDOM, even FREEDOM and LIBERTY IN CHRIST, while serving sin wholeheartedly.] ========= Jude 3-11 3Beloved, while I was making every effort to write you about our common salvation, I felt the necessity to write to you appealing that you contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all handed down to the saints. 4For certain persons have crept in unnoticed, those who were long beforehand marked out for this condemnation, ungodly persons who turn the grace of our God into licentiousness and deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ. [We're being warned that among the Christians, some UNGODLY people have turned God's GRACE- and the freedoms under Christ- and made them an EXCUSE TO SIN.] 5Now I desire to remind you, though you know all things once for all, that the Lord, after saving a people out of the land of Egypt, subsequently destroyed those who did not believe. 6And angels who did not keep their own domain, but abandoned their proper abode, He has kept in eternal bonds under darkness for the judgment of the great day, 7just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, since they in the same way as these indulged in gross immorality and went after strange flesh, are exhibited as an example in undergoing the punishment of eternal fire. 8Yet in the same way these men, also by dreaming, defile the flesh, and reject authority, and revile angelic majesties. 9But Michael the archangel, when he disputed with the devil and argued about the body of Moses, did not dare pronounce against him a railing judgment, but said, "The Lord rebuke you!" ========= [This is serious stuff. God's putting these guys in the same category as Sodom and Gomorrah.] === 10But these men revile the things which they do not understand; and the things which they know by instinct, like unreasoning animals, by these things they are destroyed. 11Woe to them! For they have gone the way of Cain, and for pay they have rushed headlong into the error of Balaam, and perished in the rebellion of Korah. [There's the connection to Balaam again. They are envious and despise God's counsel like Cain, and money produced an idolatry like with Balaam.] ========= Revelation 2:13-15. 13'I know where you dwell, where Satan's throne is; and you hold fast My name, and did not deny My faith even in the days of Antipas, My witness, My faithful one, who was killed among you, where Satan dwells. 14'But I have a few things against you, because you have there some who hold the teaching of Balaam, who kept teaching Balak to put a stumbling block before the sons of Israel, to eat things sacrificed to idols and to commit acts of immorality. 15'So you also have some who in the same way hold the teaching of the Nicolaitans. ----- [balaam wasn't just out for MONEY. (Balaam wasn't a sinner for one long, greedy weekend. He was weak of character besides that. Balaam taught Israel to perform idolatry and IMMORAL ACTS. I bet there was money in it for him to do that....]

Here's plenty of stuff about James Trimm's supposed Doctorate from an accredited institution. He claims to have one, but no evidence for it seems to exist. My, my, my. Reminds me of someone. Plagiarists, by definition, seem to lack originality. He plagiarized victor paul wierwille's sham doctorate as well as twi's book. http://www.seekgod.ca/trimmdoc.htm http://www.seekgod.ca/trimmdiploma.htm Here's some stuff on James Trimm engaging in internet "sockpuppet" activity and other dishonest practices, such as speaking out of both sides of his mouth (telling group A one thing and group B the opposite.) http://www.seekgod.ca/rabbiyosef.htm ================================== Here's the cited case. Note it's specifically about copyright infringement, not "regulation of Scripture interpretation" (or "suppressing the truth" or whatever you'd like to mislabel it as.) http://dockets.justia.com/docket/court-txndce/case_no-4:2009cv00338/case_id-187156/ ====================================================== There's lots more on James Trimm on a number of websites, but I was getting tired just skimming them, so I stuck to a few basics and one site. Feel free to look over the rest.

The one time the way international actually acts in accordance with the intent and letter of the law, and nobody believes they're doing the right thing. If you "cry wolf" all the time, no one's going to believe you if the real thing shows up at your door.....