WordWolf

Correct artist, but you have not correctly identified this song..... *looks for the other thread*

It COULD be. It could ALSO be that these aspect of the Synoptic Gospels are historically accurate. Just because other people lie about their golf game doesn't mean YOU lie about YOUR golf game. Then it goes to evidence. The people who wrote these things, reported these things were willing to put the remainder of their lives in jeopardy, and many of the early disciples were killed in horrific executions. They went to slow, painful deaths rather than say "I lied." Personally, I suspect they had supremely strong convictions that what they reported was all correct- for there is little that a man would sacrifice his life for- except the salvation OF that life. How did you get from "is it POSSIBLE that wasn't true?" to "ADMIT it was NOT true?" with no intermediary steps? Looks like a leap of non-faith. It's not intellectually honest. A good walk of faith doesn't insist that one call truth a lie, nor insist that one call lies the truth. Those who would, they're not intellectually honest, and poor witnesses to their faith. Who would want to join them? And you STILL made another leap. You've decided unilaterally to disbelieve parts of the Bible, and call them fables. Then you've decided unilaterally that to skip a process of inquiry to get to that conclusion (working it out to see if the evidence really, really supports your leap of non-faith) is "intellectually honest"-when it's the opposite. Then you decided that those who disagree with you are "soft-headed. What's next- a non-miraculous snowstorm and a new class you're teaching for pay? Depends on if there actually ARE 'legendary portions' like you decided all by yourself. Looks like you've not only declared some Scripture is "legendary" (fiction, lies, myths, cunningly-devised fables), and that your dissenters are "soft-headed", but you even worked out exactly how God wants you to read them. You're a regular one-stop-shop for another(heteros) gospel, aren't you? If it was all about powerful messages of compassion, tolerance, and so on, then why adulterate it with cunningly-devised fables? Hey, if your Christian walk is so scrawny that you've never seen a divine healing, never gotten divine revelation, never seen a miracle, that's your business. Those of us who HAVE seen some are a bit harder to convince that God's people thousands of years ago never saw them. "Do not pass Go. Do not collect 10% of my income."

"'cause now and then,she'll get to worrying, Just because you haven't spoken for so long. And though you may not have done anything, Will that be a consolation when she's gone? Listen, boy-it's good information from a man who's made mistakes... Just a word or two that she gets from you could be the difference that it makes."

A non-Christian once summed it up in one sentence: "We don't care what you believe, just come to church."

From what I see, there's no "Christianity" in the so-called "Center for Progressive Christianity." There's no sin, no need for a "savior", thus there's no Messiah, no specially Anointed One of God, no "The Son of God" and no Redeemer. Since it's all relative, there's also no "Truth", so there's no "True Religion", which means claiming it has anything to do with a concept it REJECTS is either ignorance, lies, or deliberate attempts to deceive the other posters here. ============== If you're going to be a Unitarian Universalist, just go ahead and be that and don't hide behind some label that conceals that.

"Listen, boy-it's good information from a man who's made mistakes... Just a word or two that she gets from you could be the difference that it makes."

Sorry to respond so slowly-I was traveling. RumRunner and I were not the closest friends, but I'll miss him. Those of you were were his nearest and dearest will miss him so much more. Nothing I can say or do would change that, but nothing can steal all your memories of him, and nothing will stop your reunion with him again someday in the future, be it sooner or later, when there will be an end to tears, suffering, and loss. My saying so is small, but I hope it helps at all.

You're several years late for the main discussion. This thread had a specific purpose. There were claims- by certain wearers of tinfoil hats- that the Bible was REPLACED by the "works" of vpw (the various books he plagiarized from others), that those books are "God-breathed", and so on. This thread took the definitions IN pfal of "God-breathed" to demonstrate that pfal was never "God-breathed." To reasonable readers, this was never necessary. Even those who thought they were insightful and so on never seriously entertained such a ridiculous claim, so they never needed it refuted. Since the claim was raised, this thread was written to refute it.

*snickers* Actually, you're right- some of them were monsters with some human parts, and some animal parts. Most of the time, however, it was more, you know, "a little leaven leavens the whole lump." They were homogenized beings.

Pax, you missed this question. Are you Goetz, the author of the book, or are you an aficionado of his?

"Listen, boy-it's good information from a man who's made mistakes...."

Shouldn't this part pretty much be common knowledge? I kept running into this all through high school. Hercules was the demi-god representing the Spartan ideals, Theseus ("his cousin) was the tip-top mortal who represented the Athenian ideals. The Olympian gods supposedly had all sorts of children, both gods and mortals, plus monsters and a few demi-gods. Phaeton's fate was a cautionary tale of being careful what you ask for, and not to overreach your grasp, etc. Anybody who thumbed through Edith Hamilton's "Mythology" should know this. A good websearch would show the same.

Read the Book of Ruth sometime. A WIDOW REMARRIES. I'd be more than astonished if she'd remained a virgin throughout her first marriage. I'd be doubly astonished if you could find me a verse that said she DID. Ruth did GREAT. She was a non-virgin who married Boaz. Cuttings and markings in the flesh "for the dead" and in accordance with the worship of other gods is hardly the same as some woman getting a "tramp stamp" above her belt of a butterfly or something. Sure explains why Mary's husband had the option of divorcing his wife, and Jesus Christ himself said it was permitted..... Chapter and verse please. Judging from how your understanding has flubbed everything so far, I'd like to read that one myself. Define "long hair for men", "short hair for women", and who you THINK those rules apply to. I've seen male devout Jews with some hair I'd personally consider "long", who were following the rules as best they understood them. Oh, people, when are we going to stop reading AROUND the Bible, and stop reading what Right Reverend So-and-So SAID about the Bible, and actually READ the Bible? Please don't flail about with such a clumsy "argument", it's insulting to the intelligence of the locals.

Paul Mc Cartney's "Band on the Run"? I forget if this was a "Wings" release.

He claimed there were some African tribes where the fathers molested their daughters like this. Posters here have noted that there is no documentation in all of cyberspace to his sick claim. There was some evidence there's some tribe or other where the other women do something, but vpw's own claim was another claim that can only be traced back to vpw's sicknesses and not to any reliable source.

I took the later one, where vpw described the video rather than showing the video. I found a DESCRIPTION to be both disgusting and irrelevant. When I was in. If one's conscience is "seared", one no longer hears a warning when most people are recoiling in horror.

It's been said that insanity is doing the exact same thing and expecting different results. Someone mentioned "Groundhog Day". His life must feel like that, just a little slower, with him in an organization, then having to leave, then starting another organization, then having to leave...

"Amok Time'?

That's from the end of the Moody Blues' "Nights in White Satin." (I believe that part has its own name, and that's "the Late Lament.")

We discussed "The Great Principle" here...

Reviving for the newcomers....

Was it that tired old saw about Proctor and Gamble? That one was so easily disproven, I heard it debunked in junior high school. So much bs grew wings in twi, but a good websearch can debunk so much of the bunk we were told. http://www.snopes.com/business/alliance/procter.asp This is probably the first website you should check, if you're looking to see if various tall tales of twi had some basis in fact.

Sometimes this is referred to as "being sick and tired of being sick and tired." If you want to be cautious about trusting strangers, caution is a good thing. It will help keep you from getting burned by another group of people the same way the last one burned you. You'll find we're all sorts of people here, so if you stick around long enough, you'll find someone post in a less-kind manner, because everyone has a bad moment. That's how life is, though-sometimes there's a careless word when people are actually free to THINK AND FEEL FOR THEMSELVES. In fact, with people relearning how to do that, it's a bit more likely here than a lot of places, but I find the candor and lack of disguises worth the occasional careless word. (If someone is especially rude, we report them to the moderators here- we're supposed to have a basic courtesy toward each other, and forgetting that is bad for discussion.)

An example for those who can't picture that in the abstract... "Do you speak Gaelic?" might be said as "Do you have the Gaelic?" to someone fluent in Gaeilge and English. I saw someone ask someone else's age in English by asking "How many years does she have?" which is the Spanish construction of the same question, rendered word-for-word in English. The literal English of that sentence would be rendered "How old is she?"