WordWolf

The only training where any real expert education came in was the Dale Carnegie Sales training. That tells you slick vic's priorities right there. The way corps was expected to be a big sales force after graduation. Before graduation, of course, you were unpaid labor, and the prospective pool of victims for vpw and his criminal gang. Considering you all paid for the privilege of working for twi, it was very profitable for them, from a soulless, financial point of view. On the other hand, the wow program was a program where you paid money to run pfal classes and recruit more people to twi, who would then be expected to pay 10% of their income to twi. No, that was also very profitable for them, from a soulless, financial point of view.

Too bad. They would have been interesting. Without court transcripts, are there any legal documents that are accessible to the public that stated the settlement, or is the settlement something we have to completely accept your word on?

James, you've been pasting a LOT on a few subjects. I'd like to point out something. This is the board of twi SURVIVORS, where people learn (if they didn't learn it sooner) that the person who most pushed the Aramaic primacy in their experience was an evil, error-ridden fraud. This automatically predisposes most of the posters to be suspicious of anything and everything they said. That means that, if you're looking for people to agree with you, this is another board where you're going to post and post and barely see any agreement. Whether you want people to agree with you because you think you're right, or because it means more book sales, or it means more people looking to you as some authority, you're looking at "diminishing returns"- especially because you're inspiring the "too long, didn't read" phenomenon. Coming from me, a notice that someone is posting too long really should tell you something...

This error vpw plagiarized was corrected in the Intermediate class, where "all without exception or all with a distinction" was said. It was never pointed out as an ERROR or a CORRECTION, mind you....

What was his obsession with the APACHES, anyway? He was ALWAYS comparing them with the APACHES. Never the Sioux, the Navajo, the Cherokee....

It's closer to "doctrinal" than to being "About the Way", which is specifically concerning the organization calling itself "the way international", and things directly concerning it. The scholarly stuff in general usually belongs in "Doctrinal." Feel free to request a Moderator to just move this thread or any similar thread down there.

Let us not forget that vpw, at times, would single out his German heritage in complimentary terms, and NEVER went on record saying Hitler was bad, that Nazi Germany was bad, and so on. One poster spoke of his daughter being in high school, along with several local twi'ers. Their high school had a guest speaker- a Holocaust SURVIVOR- as in "the Nazis arrested me for the crime of being Jewish and threw me in a concentration camp." The twi high schoolers made a nuisance of themselves and mocked her to the point of driving the guest speaker to tears, stopping when the other high schooler MADE them shut up.

Just a friendly reminder. The "rule of thumb" for this thread is movies that are fairly well-known, with lines that point specifically to that movie, with the goal that people who have never SEEN the movie would say "That sounds like (name of movie.)".

Right.

I try to leave a few "softballs" for new people to jump in on.

It's your turn, H w/o t b.

No, I'm just used to the songs all charting before I was born, so I don't follow the thread so closely.... ======================= Next one. "You could have a steam train, if you'd just lay down your tracks."

The idea wasn't "to look like a cult". The idea was to make money, get people, and allow victor paul wierwille to exploit both in God's name. That it looked like the cult it was wasn't the idea-it was a side-effect of it BEING a cult. vpw didn't care much if it looked like a cult- so long as he could spin it so as to get more money and people. Which he did.

Looks like the general pleasantries are over, and James Trimm is now trying to advertise for converts on the GSC. The GSC posters are all very cynical- once bitten, twice shy. We're not looking for another organization, another special group which is the elite group of Christian with the "exclusive" truth while all other Christians walk in darkness. We've been there, done that, bought the T-shirts. You've advertised your books, you've celebrated your victory over twi (if it actually happened as you stated), but that's as far as you can expect to get.

I think a fairly good case can be made for some, most, or all of the 4 Gospels having been given originally in Aramaic and soon after translated into Greek. From what I've seen, that can't honestly be said of the Epistles, and few people have attempted to make that claim. Basically, Lamsa did, and Lamsa disciples do, and vpw did as someone who parroted Lamsa as he parroted others. That is, not counting present company. I noticed that when you got to someone specifically claiming the Epistles had such an origin, your source was Lamsa. It's no secret around here that Lamsa was a crackpot and a megalomaniac, and might have been where vpw ripped off the assertion that he was some special unique Christian in his lifetime.

No, it's called "Mary Jane's Last Dance." "Last dance with Mary Jane, One more time to kill the pain. I feel summer creepin' in and I'm tired of this town again." IIRC, it's on Tom Petty's "Greatest Hits" album for him and the Heartbreakers.

Yes, and I didn't even get to any of the more telling quotes. BTW, if you help a woman deliver her baby because she can't reach the hospital in time, and she offers to name the baby after you, and asks your name, give her your FIRST name, not your LAST name. She might name a son "Stanley" but not ""Wojciehowicz." I've heard that when police are asked which cop show is most like real police work, they consistently vote for "Barney Miller." Out of all of them, it's the one show that shows trying to calm people down and get them to fill out the paperwork.

Billy, so many things happened right under your nose that since this is 2 other posters' words against yours, & I have to choose the more reliable source, I know which to choose. (Besides, even Jesus drew the line at "two witnesses" (Matthew 18:16.)

"I want to name my baby after you. What's your name?" "Wojciehowicz." "Que?" "I didn't know Orientals had a sense of humor." "Are you kidding? We invented gunpowder." "Hey, where's my sashimi and cream cheese on a bagel?" "Here it's called lox." "The hell it is. We had it before you did." "I think of you as experienced. In an emergency, you would be the first one that I'd call." "You SHOULD call me first. I need time to put my teeth in."

Nobody came up with ideas like that, until after most of the way ministry left in 1989-1990. Then there were all sorts of crazy new policies designed to make the much fewer people pull all the extra duty of all the people who left..... as time passed, the number of people applying to the way corps dwindled. It doesn't surprise me that they didn't come up with new, bizarre sayings to try to compel people to enter the way corps who normally would have run the other way.

I've gotten that impression, too. In some places (and times), people were smoking pot, messing around with each other and all sorts of things were permitted. In some other places (and times), they ran an incredibly tight ship and would never imagine that victor paul wierwille was encouraging some behaviors quietly or under-the-table with his selected cadre. It was largely also who would be considered corruptible, and who would be considered clean-cut Christians. twi had a home for both- the clean-cut were visible, tithing, etc. and the corrupt were feeding vpw's lusts, lcm's lusts, etc.

Well then I'll go again this time. *consults Wikiquote* "I want to name my baby after you. What's your name?" "Wojciehowicz." "Que?"

Is this the series premiere for "Enterprise"? (I forget whether that was titled "Broken Bow" or something.)

The automated curse censor changed the wording at one point (a certain word synonymous with "donkey" gets changed to "foot" like certain other words get substituted.) However, I saw it "in the original" and that's what it said. Out There said it.... It's a bit harder to take someone you've worked alongside, who's seen you do many boneheaded things, played the fool, and in general been a lousy leader when the cameras are off, and then tell them you're the Great And Powerful Oz and get it to stick. They've seen the man behind the curtain already.