WordWolf

" 'El Breako the Leaso'?" "Introducing Rhea, the Medium. Well done, Medium Rhea!" "I got the golbloots from a booshoo bird?!" "We may have to remove her Zorch."

Looks like you missed my "Wonderland" threads. "the way:living in wonderland" examined the book "the Way:Living in Love", and had some interesting discussions, and includes a quote from J1m D00p where this was said. "vp and me in Wonderland" examined lcm's book "vp and me" and we looked into lcm and vpw a lot more when the cameras weren't running. We had some fun with those threads, and frankly, I'm pretty proud of them.

BTW, everything I just posted was posted here previously by others. If you get curious, feel free to do a search for lengthier posts by others who explained in lots more detail, and eyewitness accounts and so on.

For those who are unclear about this, all the sex stuff started with victor paul wierwille. Not only did he rape, molest, and drug lots of Christian women after telling them it was their duty and privilege to "bless" him sexually, but he taught others-including l craig martindale- to be twofold the child of hell that he himself was. vpw was the one who taught lcm all this. lcm was an unimaginative Christian jock in college when vpw found him and indoctrinated him. Dot Matrix "Posted 20 November 2003 - 10:38 AM I heard from, I believe it was a shy poster here - years ago, who was friendly with DM, that DM serviced VPW regularly. And that LCM was not in favor of the "screw everything that moves" policy. He was a country church boy who thought that was not right. But VPW told him he could not serve God unless he learned how to sexually service the women in the body of Christ. So, he got into it. So, probably it was in obedience to VPW the moggie. Isn't that where it all started if you trace it back as if you are tracing a transmittable disease? IMO" ex cathedra "Posted 22 December 2005 - 07:44 PM i heard from martindale's own mouth that veepee told him he needed to loosen up in that area if he was gonna' be a great for god. something like that.." DontWorryBeHappy Posted 17 December 2007 - 09:52 PM "my "corps assignment" at that time, placed me in the position of having daily, one-on-one as well as group meetings with the bot during those months. i say unfortunately, because, due to that daily, firsthand contact with those men and other "top leadership" at hq at the time, i was forced to deal with the firsthand acconts of many victims of sexual and "spiritual" abuse perpetrated against those victims not only by the then twi bot and other twi "top leadership", but also many who had been sexually and "spiritually" abused by vpw himself...... women, who were only then, after vpw's death, able to begin voicing what they had suffered at his hands. These victims' firsthand accounts were often horribly gut-wrenching, and the psychoemotional and "spiritual" damage done to them caused multiple and varied responses. Some were able to obtain closure by sharing what had happened to them with me,.....knowing that i had access to the bot, and that i would confront the individual offenders directly and personally on the behalf of their victims, and report back immediately, their response. A very few were afforded the "luxury" of a face-to-face meeting with their abusers.......the vast majority were not! For some, the damage and hurt was so profound, that they required professional psychiatric help and medication in order ro help them cope with the aftermath of what they had experienced. A few required hospitalization.......and, several, unfortunately, committed suicide! As i said, the horror of what these victims had experienced at the hands of vpw, lcm, and other "top twi leadership" was one of the most difficult things i ever had to deal with, as i tried desperately to help them. Thankfully, there were a few corps grads (dr.s. leven, dr. m. carli, and a few others), who were professionally trained and able to help me with what rapidly became an overwhelming number of "cases" of this abuse. Let me make it perfectly clear, that, NEVER ONCE DID VPW, LCM, OR ANY OF THE OTHERS I PERSONALLY CONFRONTED ABOUT SPECIFIC, INDIVIDUAL CASES THEY WERE EACH PERSONALLY INVOLVED IN, EVER DENY THEIR GUILT! Some even haughtily admitted to their misdeeds, stating unabashedly that God had absolutely "no problem" with what they had done, other than my "rabid legalism" which would cause us to "lose the ministry'!! Of course, there were numerous excuses, twisted scriptures and doctines, and vicious personal attacks against the victims (and me), that these lying hypocrites came up with to try and justify or legitimize their actions.......but, NEVER A DENIAL! One time, in the early summer of 1984, when i was on vpw's motorcoach in the "courtyard", i confronted vpw with a specific "report" from one of his many victims. after i had presented him with the facts, his only response was "Son, there are just some things i choose not to discuss with people"! That was it! As i sat there in stunned silence, watching him smoke his cigarette, he sicked his guard dog TJ, on me........calling the dog over to sit at my feet, growling through bared teeth!......it was chris geer, who opened the motorcoach door from the outside where he was "standing guard", and called off the dog so i could get out! Another time, when i was confronting lcm in the "motorcycle shed" about his sexual abuse of 2 different in-residence corps women at that time, his response to me was "You need to back off, man! Dr. wierwille told me, that if i didn't loosen up in this category of life, I'd never be a great leader or lover of God's people"!! Again,....NO DENIAL!.......IN FACT, AN ADMISSION!..... with the excuse that it was a direct order from vp himself that started lcm off on his path of sexual predation and human destruction!"

There were a LOT of good Christians who wanted to serve God who went into the Way Corps. There were a significant number of numbskulls who also went into the Way Corps. victor paul wierwille carefully selected his co-conspirators (who can keep their mouth shut?) and his victims (who won't run to the police?) That's one reason he never was charged with a crime when he was alive. So, some Way Corps never heard a single thing about this. Those of you who didn't, consider that the only form of real compliment vpw ever gave- he thought you were incapable of being corrupted. That having been said, a number of people WERE capable of being corrupted, and WERE corrupted. They did things like spy out vpw's victims, set up vpw's victims, and "exit-counsel" vpw's victims so they didn't go to the police. The mixed emotions a lot of us get from the Way Corps is that vpw meant it as a tool for control- and successfully used it as such to a greater or lesser degree. Some people to this day consider the Way Corps to have been nothing but positive and hide from what vpw used it for. THOSE are the people who give it the WORST name and THOSE are the people who have stirred up the strongest feelings about it.

To say the least. You do know that victor paul wierwille specifically went to Haight-Ashbury and the House of Acts to recruit the hippies, right? And that even in his own book, he makes a special note about how they're more affectionate with each other? And that, when he went to recruit the hippies, vpw himself asked J1m D00p to DESCRIBE WHAT IT'S LIKE TO BE AT AN ORGY? And then told J1m D00p- who had said he was glad to be DELIVERED from such things- that, according to victor paul wierwille, ORGIES ARE FINE WITH GOD?

vpw was fond of all sorts of wild ideas. Part of the purpose of having a Board of Trustees, according to "Uncle Harry", was to curb in a few of the crazier ideas vpw had and rein him in on the crazy stuff. Among the crazy stuff that victor paul wierwille said that did get past was the idea that twi would allow people to build houses on-grounds to retire on, do all the construction work/pay all the construction work, all the furnishings, upgrades, etc, then live in them until they died, but that the way international would then get full ownership of the house. (That was one of his ideas for "the Sunset Corps". "The Sunset Corps" never got off the ground, possibly because few people were that stupid.) There was another idea about some new invention of a new type of snowmobile, then there was that idea he had about a restaurant.... and so on and so on. Few of his ideas were practical. The materials used to construct some of the buildings- like "the Corps Chalet" that lcm stole and called "the Presidents Home"- were completely wrong for the weather for Ohio, and lots of money went in to build them, then to rebuild them and try to mitigate the damage that would never have been there if vpw's plans were competent.

" 'El Breako the Leaso'?" "Introducing Rhea, the Medium. Well done, Medium Rhea!"

One of the ploys of those insufficiently schooled is to smear Darby by attributing to him positions he never took and doctrines he never agreed to- then blame him for disseminating them. Darby NEVER taught of a "pre-tribulation rapture." Disagree with a "pre-tribulation rapture" all you want, but spare Darby the consistent LIE that was invented by Dave McPherson and used in his hate-filled, anti-rapture CRUSADE. McPherson's life seems to be about attacking that position and using any tool- including lies and misinformation- to attack it. Chief among them is that Darby got this doctrine from a vision by Mc Donald, and that both taught a "pre-tribulation rapture." Neither John Darby nor McDonald taught either, and any person who can do an internet search on Margaret Mc Donald, and READ what her supposed vision was about. Whether it is a true vision or not, it never mentions a "pre-tribulation rapture." Mc Donald was specifically worried that the Church living at her time would be present on Earth through the Tribulation- and that they weren't READY to live through it. Why would a "pre-tribulation rapturist" be concerned that Christians would not be ready to live on Earth through a tribulation if they weren't even going to BE THERE? Believe what you want, teach what you want, but do not rely on MISINFORMATION to support your point. You're not McPherson. He attributed all sorts of things including his father's death to the doctrine of "pre-tribulation rapture". You need not take such a PERSONAL (and ridiculous) stance against a doctrine even if you think it's error.

He WASN'T a farmer. When he was supposed to do chores on the farm, he ran off for long periods of time where no one could find him. His own father's reaction, when vpw said he wanted to be a preacher, was that he hadn't even learned how to work on the farm, so he wasn't ready to put in the real work of a preacher.

Seems to me it depends on WHY they got involved and what they're doing. I've met a number of religious leaders I thought were eminently trustworthy- and still are- and Billy Graham, despite being very famous, went out of his way to avoid problems in that department, to the point of never being alone with any woman not his wife, not even for the minute it would take to ride an elevator with her.

I saw MOST of those, and I have no doubts that "no taking notes during PFAL" was MANDATORY in some places, when and where I took it, it was recommended that NEW students NOT take notes in pfal THE FIRST TIME THEY SAT THROUGH THE CLASS. When I took it, I was a "professional student" who knew what worked for me best, so I had a Bible, syllabus, and notebook all on my lap. I juggled all 3 during the first segment, and shifted through them to take notes and follow along as if I did it all the time. At the end of the first segment, the class coordinator recommended I just take the notes direectly into the syllabus, which would free me from juggling a 3rd book. So I did. My continued note-taking helped me focus on the material. I wasn't the only "professional student" who put his notes there, either.

Was that "headquarters" or the "Fine Art and Historical Center" that had it? IIRC, I saw it at the FA&HC. Then again, I saw it around 1988. If you saw it later, it may have been moved from the FA&HC to HQ when they sold the FA&HC. (Not that there was ever an announcement about the sale, but they've always been secretive about selling off properties.)

Usually people will say "I'll be out of town, so anyone can take my turn" or something along those lines. In this particular case, if you're saying you want to take the next turn, go ahead, you can take mine. (If you don't post, I'll post eventually.)

We're a LOT more easy-going than that.

They couldn't wiggle out of the MEANINGS OF THE WORDS meaning other than what they said, which is why I posted them.

Oh, victor paul wierwille was such a pervert- bedding, drugging and bedding and so on- women he was responsible for and called his "children", and spoke freely about the idea of fathers introducing daughters to sex during life CFS classes- that I doubt a woman being his literal sister would have stopped him all by itself. (I think old man Wierwille would have kicked his 'donkey' if he tried to bed a sibling, for example.)

After I left came the requirement to actually write out a schedule of the coming week in 15 minutes increments, submit the schedule, and stick to it. Frankly, I don't know how that requirement wasn't met with laughter and sarcasm. (I can only imagine the things I'd write in the middle of the schedule if I submitted one...)

If you guys can list some more twi buzzwords, I can treat them like a "Mad Libs" list and do another Mad Libs round with them.

Bumped because someone was looking for fun. :)

Ah, if you'd left it a little longer, I would have checked the thread and named it. I like Steely Dan. You can let a song go at least 3 days before giving up....

I don't think other people have been checking in. The Jack Bauer reference means this is "24". (Which I've never watched.)

James 5:12 (KJV) " 12But above all things, my brethren, swear not, neither by heaven, neither by the earth, neither by any other oath: but let your yea be yea; and your nay, nay; lest ye fall into condemnation. I forget what led up to it, but someone once asked me about how I was doing in regards to doing God's will. I forget how they phrased it, but I remember my reply. I replied I was doing the best I knew how, with 2 exceptions. They asked which they were, and I replied that they were concerning the taking of oaths, and hair-length. I wasn't in the way corps, but I was well aware my own attitudes concerning oaths- which were atypical for the 20th century- were not in harmony with what Scripture said, and had no hesitation in saying so- in fact, I volunteered it when asked.

Wouldn't surprise me. the way international always has been more about promoting their POV of the Scriptures more than what the Scriptures actually SAY. These are all from the King James English, and rather obviously refute twi's drivel on this subject. 1. Daniel 2:28 But there is a God in heaven that revealeth secrets, and maketh known to the king Nebuchadnezzar what shall be in the latter days. Thy dream, and the visions of thy head upon thy bed, are these; 2. Daniel 4:5 I saw a dream which made me afraid, and the thoughts upon my bed and the visions of my head troubled me. 3. Daniel 4:10 Thus were the visions of mine head in my bed; I saw, and behold a tree in the midst of the earth, and the height thereof was great. 4. Daniel 4:13 I saw in the visions of my head upon my bed, and, behold, a watcher and an holy one came down from heaven; 5. Daniel 7:1 In the first year of Belshazzar king of Babylon Daniel had a dream and visions of his head upon his bed: then he wrote the dream, and told the sum of the matters. Lots of Christians know better than twi about dreams. Back when, I made a point of by a book by a competent Christian on the subject, since twi never seemed to know the first thing about it. ================================== For the curious, that book was "Exploring the World of Dreams (A Scriptural Guide to Hearing from God in the Night Season) by Benny Thomas, Whitaker House Publishing." It's straightforward, sensible, and, AFAIK, completely correct. (I tried to find a flaw in its logic, and was unable to find one. From me, that's an endorsement.)

No, such a post never occurred. You can count on Rosa-lie to speak any lie which she thinks benefits here. In that case, the only people who could have called her on lying would have had to admit they were reading the GSC, and that was forbidden....