WordWolf

Oh, WD, want to change the subject and draw some heat off of John? Ok, I'll bite.

I guessed you missed the ugly part I responded to. Let me remind you

"Oh, that's right, I forgot....

if it wasn't in a class or in print, it never happened in twi, how silly of me....

I love this new posting style here bait the poster then when they respond they are the bad one.

An old bull fighter once said if you don't want the bull then don't wave the red flag for him to come.

Don't pretend to be an injured party, it's a poor fit.

Here's a quick recap to what happened:

rascal said

I remember being taught in twi, that if my husband ever hit me ...it was my fault....that if it ever occured, I should have never pushed him that far.

I remember being taught that if he ever committed adultery, it would have been my fault for not being sexy enough, appealing enough, inventive enough to hold his attention.

I remember believing this stuff....that it was up to me to be sharp enough to ward this stuff off.

If there was alcohol or abuse issues, squandered money issues....it was up to me to love him more, to pray for him more, but other than that I had no say so, no recourse, was not permitted any input.

This was taught as standard marriage conduct. This was what I was taught was required of a virtuous woman.

I wanted to be a virtuous woman, so I accepted whatever mistreatment was administered by tc, spouse, anyone...meekly and with humility, no matter how unwarranted, how unfair with the determination that I would try my hardest to do better.

We were taught this in twi, and it became part of our thinking process, to the point that I never ever questioned it`s validity.

YOU used the OLD posting style-from all the way back to waydale, even, to say

I was just wondering just when and where this was taught. I seem to have missed that class

Which was used, as of old, to take someone's personal testimony, and, instead of saying

"I wasn't in the room when it was taught," you said "I wasn't taught this-therefore it wasn't taught and you're a liar".

OLD posting style. Don't pretend it's not what you were saying.

I replied to YOUR post with

A number of places, this came up here and there, usually NOT during the teachings, but during other activities and "down-time."

Usually, it came up TO A WOMAN, since it was about what they expected HER to do. Since you're a guy, it's less likely you

would get this lecture. The lecture you would get would be about making sure your wife knew who was boss, and about

making all the decisions.

Oh, that's right, I forgot....

if it wasn't in a class or in print, it never happened in twi, how silly of me.... <_<

That was a reminder that-as has come up a lot-different people were told different things in twi, and not everyone's

experience was identical. Just as some things you were taught were supposedly close to perfect, others have

reported things they were taught that were far from perfect. There's room for both of you to tell the truth and say

different things.

Your reply?

Right, Another undocumented doctrine Of course how convenient, I should have known...........

Repeating you're calling it a lie-without saying the WORD "lie", of course...

potato spoke up, as someone ELSE who heard this....

the women's sessions at couples advances consisted of those types of teachings, invariably. they were usually subtle, but always soul-stealing. wow training was another place I heard it, from B. Gr**n himself, a special confrontation just for me, but in front of a small group of outgoing wows. and strangely enough, the wow field was the first place my ex raised his fist to me.

when I left my ex, it was because of lying and violence, and M@rk W@11@ce still tried to talk me into staying married because I'd "regret it".

And rascal replied

Dove, that was kind of ugly.

I was taught this during different womens advances in different states. Some of this was covered during pre marriage counceling with our lc.

I do not know if the teachings were more intense because I was marrying corpes and was only app myself....that I took it more seriously because of that.

I know that my spouse was under tremendous pressure to *keep me in line* so to speak...because in marrying me...he was putting his reputation on the line.

Not that he cared....I was the one terrified of bringing him shame, of reflecting badly on his spirituality. I never wanted him to be sorry that he chose me instead of a corpes woman.\

Now Dove, think about it....you not being a woman, and not being corpes, is it really any suprise that you wouldn`t be aware of what was taught at womens advances or in one on one private marriage sessions between individual couples and lc`s....or when a woman was being groomed to be a corpes man`s wife....???

It would be tempting to dismiss my account as exaggerated or as an isolated instance....except there seems to be others here who were held to the same rediculous standard.

Please don`t close your ears and heart to the horror that this standard created for women who were required to submit to horrible abuse with no recourse because we were taught that God gave that man ultimate and total authority over every decision in our lives.

To leave....for any reason would be to lose God`s hand of protection and blessing over ourselves and our children. Most of us could not face life without God.

Funny enough....it was this teaching....it was this standard that kept me at mark`s side when exiting twi....I was bitterly disapointed and angry that he would leave the ministry that taught us God`s word, and had I thought that there was any way for me to leave him and remain in God`s will, I would have done it in a heart beat and stayed with the ministry.

As did Nero.

I don't remember ever remember getting pamphlets or note pages handed to me about how to treat my husband. I think if anyone sent out an official document stating literally all of the junk they ever taught us there would be more eyebrows raised.

A few things I was taught:

Guys - treat your wives well and they'll be good for you. They didn't go into detail about what they should do to be nice. They said to listen to your wife - but you had the final say.

Chicks - God > Your Husband > Your kids > You. Be submissive to your husband. And I quote: "Some women never are submissive enough to be married. If you cannot submit to a husband, then you shouldn't get married ever." Yes... taught that. I was pretty blinded by twi - but that never jived with me. Which was why I never wanted to marry anyone who was taught such things. Ugh.

All - Don't get married to anyone outside TWI - it just makes things harder if you don't agree on everything.

They usually had informal sex/family classes were speakers would talk about their marriages or how to have a good marriage. No leaflets or anything. You must take notes. I have them buried around here somewhere.

Since you can't take our word for it. What kind of documentation do you need? Notes with a date in a sealed envelope? Or a laundry list of wifey doctrine with the TWI president's signature on it? I'm not MA so I might be able to get it. XP

It's one of my favourites! Yes, let's see who else chimes in.

Ah, I see.

However, I DID post a first line this time... :)

Turns out the repairman hates Norton and always replaces it with AVG!

This was an improvement.

And always replaces IE 7.0 with 6.0!

Microsoft frequently fixes security problems very, very late.

IE 7 has better security than 6.0, and has more functionality for websites, some of which won't render

as well under 6.0 as they do under 7.0.

Up to you as to whether you want to upgrade or not, but why aren't you using Firefox?

http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/

I appreciate initiative, but I would like to have been consulted.

They would, of course, restore my system free of charge, but I think I'll stick with AVG for a while. My Norton would have had to been renewed in a couple of weeks, anyway. And I'm fine with IE 6.0, though I didn't have any problems with 7.0, either. Assuming my Windows firewall is any good, this should work out OK.

George

Ah, you're just using the Windows internal firewall?

You're trusting MICROSOFT for your system security?

:blink:

I've always wondered where do the CES people go to air greevences or to complain? Is there a Ces or ex-ces web forum somewhere?

Actually, ces HAD a messageboard, but they SHUT IT DOWN.

It was upon request of ces-people that this subforum's info arrived.

So, if ces people go anywhere to have OPEN COMMUNICATION, it seems the GSC is the only game in town!

Robin Williams

Good Morning, Vietnam

Robert Wuhl

Is this "South Park"?

I'm supposing waysider was right.

Although we're not RESTRICTED to OPENING lines to songs, a few of those are rather recognizable:

"Please allow me to introduce myself- I'm a man of wealth and taste."

Oh yeah.. and the "counselling" advice given to some people..

"take your kid out in the wilderness, where no one can hear his/her screams as you beat the *^#@ out of them.."

No, "they" won't give you an autographed copy of their book of "sound advice" either.

Of course,

if it's not in writing, nobody was ever told it, no matter how many GSC'ers insist they were told EXACTLY THAT

by corps, LC and so on.

She's done stand-up, and "Mystery Men", and a few other things.

What's that one she called something like "Cyrano"?

Oh, right!

the Truth about Cats and Dogs

Uma Thurman

Batman & Robin

I was just wondering just when and where this was taught.

A number of places, this came up here and there, usually NOT during the teachings, but during other activities and "down-time."

Usually, it came up TO A WOMAN, since it was about what they expected HER to do. Since you're a guy, it's less likely you

would get this lecture. The lecture you would get would be about making sure your wife knew who was boss, and about

making all the decisions.

I seem to have missed that class

Oh, that's right, I forgot....

if it wasn't in a class or in print, it never happened in twi, how silly of me.... <_<

I think we could have gotten it just from the first line you posted...

Would the correct "pew" be the episode where Garak is revealed to have had an implant in his brain to help him resist torture? I think it started to fail, causing him all sorts of pain.

George

Yes, that's the episode called "the Wire."

I was just about to post some easier-to-identify quotes.

Bashir's all over this episode as he tries to fix Garak.

The problem was, Garak had been using the thing as a sort of narcotic, since he hated living on the station.

Eventually, he left it on, and when it started to break down and it was shut off, his body was dependent upon

its effects. Garak also spun Bashir a number of stories of what he did that got him fired from the

Obsidian Order- he killed innocents, no-he let innocents go, no-he had a falling out with his friend Elim, and

Elim framed him before he finished framing Elim, and so on.....

...then Bashir finds out Elim's Garak's first name!

Go, George.

For those who missed it the first time, I thought I'd bring this one back.

Is this the DS9 episode where Kira's boyfriend is dying, and Bashir keeps him alive with computerized nono-whatzits, until there's basically nothing of the original Bajoran left? Kira finally tells him to "pull the plug."

George

No.

"Right church, wrong pew."

(snip)

I just don't believe that the proper response to biting words (from either gender) is a fist.

I agree. What I'd do is try to calmly reason with the person first, one on one. If that didn't work, I start yelling back. If that didn't work, I'd seek marriage counselling. If that didn't work, I'd leave. By that time, one would probably be thankful to leave anyway.

I agree with Oldiesman.

"I can't believe I'm eating lunch with a man who thinks The Never- Ending Sacrifice is dull."

"I just thought it got a little redundant after a while.

I mean... the author is supposed to be chronicling seven generations of a single family... but he tells the same story over and over again... All the characters live lives of selfless duty to the state... get old... and die. And then the next generation comes along and does it all over again."

"That's the whole point, Doctor."

"I'm a doctor, not a botanist."

"Try not to yell at any more admirals for a while."

"I wasn't yelling. I was expressing my feelings.

Loudly."

"Don't you think you've had enough?"

"On the contrary. Anyone who talks about the numbing effects of liquor is severely overstating the case."

"He did ask for the specifications. Maybe he's trying to find a way to take it out."

"Either way, I think I'd like to have a talk with him when he wakes up."

"You'll have to get in line."

"I'm a doctor. You're my patient. That's all I need to know."

"Wrong again. You need to know who you're trying to save."

"I think you'll find that I'm experiencing some slight deterioration of my cranial nerve cluster."

"Not so slight, I'm afraid. We've got to get you to the Infirmary."

"I don't understand it. I shut down the implant. It can't be affecting his blood chemistry anymore, but toxins are accumulating in his lymphatic tissues."

Is it really THAT hard to admit one has an anger problem, and difficulty responding in healthy ways to things one dislikes?

"I can't believe I'm eating lunch with a man who thinks The Never- Ending Sacrifice is dull."

"I just thought it got a little redundant after a while.

I mean... the author is supposed to be chronicling seven generations of a single family... but he tells the same story over and over again... All the characters live lives of selfless duty to the state... get old... and die. And then the next generation comes along and does it all over again."

"That's the whole point, Doctor."

"I'm a doctor, not a botanist."

"Try not to yell at any more admirals for a while."

"I wasn't yelling. I was expressing my feelings.

Loudly."

"Don't you think you've had enough?"

"On the contrary. Anyone who talks about the numbing effects of liquor is severely overstating the case."

"He did ask for the specifications. Maybe he's trying to find a way to take it out."

"Either way, I think I'd like to have a talk with him when he wakes up."

"You'll have to get in line."

"I'm a doctor. You're my patient. That's all I need to know."

"Wrong again. You need to know who you're trying to save."

I googled Dooj's "clue" and didn't get a hit. :huh:

Maybe it's not a lyric?

George

*cracks knuckles*

Ok, let me take a whack at finding it....

I don't think this song's identifiable by THAT line, but we could do this SAME song

off a DIFFERENT one-line, I think...

"It's the way that I dance, the things that I do"

Here's another line from that song.....

"Stone cold sober as a matter of fact!"

or we could do the first line, which some people would also get.

Ok, let's see....

"I can't believe I'm eating lunch with a man who thinks The Never- Ending Sacrifice is dull."

"I just thought it got a little redundant after a while."

"I mean... the author is supposed to be chronicling seven generations of a single family... but he tells the same story over and over again... All the characters live lives of selfless duty to the state... get old... and die. And then the next generation comes along and does it all over again."

"That's the whole point, Doctor."

"I'm a doctor, not a botanist."

"Try not to yell at any more admirals for a while."

"I wasn't yelling. I was expressing my feelings.

Loudly."

"The Dukes of Hazzard"?

George

Nice. And I did NOT make this easy.

The actual clues in there, as I saw them, were....

1) Luke Duke was previously in the Marines, which came up a few times, like when he used a hang-glider,

and in the episode I quoted.

2) Uncle Jesse told the others, more than once, to communicate by CD on the emergency frequency.

Oddly enough, I didn't FIND that quote, I had to recall it.

3) As their parole officer mentioned, their first names were Beauregard and Lucas.

Pretty quick, George, but now it's your turn.

ckeer, Jun 16 2005, 02:38 PM , "Athletes of the Spirit" thread.

"I assume you are talking about the movie Staying Alive and the Show within the movie- Satans Alley. I remeber LCM saying he used it as a basis for Atheletes- I think I rember him showing clips from it at an explanation/ teaching about AOS."

TheHighWay, Jun 16 2005, 11:52 AM, same thread.

"Do you all remember that Loy-boy accused Sly of stealing his ideas for this movie from their original Athletes ROA production?

Supposedly that was part of the reason Loy wanted to do a full-blown AOS... he stated he wanted to "do it right" and thumb his nose at Hollywood's devil spirits.

Oh my... talk about ego."

Bob, Jun 17 2005, 11:23 AM, same thread.

"Here's what I recall Craig saying about AOS and Staying Alive:

Sometime in the late 70's / early 80's, TWI did a skit on the ROA stage about AOS. Supposedly, someone from Hollywood was in the audience watching, liked what he saw, and copied it for use in Staying Alive.

Loy got ticked off when Staying Alive came out, said they copied their ROA skit. So Loy copied, verbatim, the Satan's Alley section for AOS.

If anyone can be sued for copyright infringement, it would be TWI by the producers of Staying Alive."

outandabout, Jun 17 2005, 12:53 PM.

"LCM came through San Diego one time around 1984-85. He used a scripture about learning things from "a little bird."

In other words, the devil could transmit info via devil spirits. Thus, the original Athletes from ROA was given to the people who made "Stayin Alive." Therefore, TWI could take what they did in the movie and use it because it originally came from TWI.

Uh huh... of course it all made sense to me at the time because LCM said it.

He also was on his Seed of the Serpent trip. His big example was Steven Spielberg."

TheHighWay, Jun 17 2005, 09:35 PM.

" I was in-rez the year they were working on AOS, and every time Craig came to town (Emporia) he would talk at great length about every aspect of the production... his thought processes, the reasons behind all the costumes and dance moves, blah-dee-blah-blah... I'm sure I have the specifics somewhere in my notes, but off the top of my head, he stated that Sly Stallone was clearly "influenced" because at the time he and his wife were planning the timing of the conception of their child with star charts and the like. Because Sly was "influenced" he was getting insight into how to put "Satan's Alley" together accurately... ruling spirits, underling spirits, the decadence,writhing, etc. Craig said he wanted to do it from a Godly, Biblically accurate perspective. (essentially showing the devil up, not that he put it like that)."

My list of ripoffs from that thread:

"I caught the "Satan's Alley" segment.

They could have sued his head off.

"Satan's Alley" features:

the scaffolding

the villianess in red

the villains in masks

the grasping/writhing

the "hero" in white

the rising podium section

the grunting/yelling sound effects

the jumping combat

the flying kick

the white light representing the presence of God

the one-one-one combat towards the end with the guy's shirt off"

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Rascal, from the thread on the Passion of the Christ,

Mar 24 2004, 11:39 AM

"This reminds me of the whole athletes of the spirit fiasco....

LCM came to the advanced class ...he was so excited about having seen the *staying alive* movie with John Travolta....there was a scene where in the production John Travolta was doing involving a battle with devil spirits....Lcm was all hepped up about how twi could do it better ....more accuratly more skillfully more dramatically...yada yada ...and thus the conception of aos was born...simply because HE, lcm wanted to show the wolrd how twi could do it bigger and better than Holly wood ever could......

You know........even vpw couldn`t dissuade him from it....

That ws the way it always was when I was in twi....if they hadn`t done it first....it wasn`t worth doing...

Twi`s critisisms are so childish."

so did they steal the ideas from that movie?

lcm had a short "athletes of the spirit" thing- BTW, that term was used quite a bit

before lcm got it, by the Fellowship of Christian Athletes and others-

a few years before. That one, vpw supposedly complimented.

One poster said that lcm came back from seeing that movie,

and insisted they could do that scene a lot better- the scene titled "Satan's Alley"

in the movie. That's how it officially started.

Supposedly, lcm didn't announce he wanted to star in it, and was surprised when someone

suggested it. I think it was another case of lcm hinting around, and when someone

finally said it, he jumped all over it.

Watch the scene sometime.

You've got the scaffolding, the oppressed, the saved ones, the good guy as the male,

the bad guy as the female, the corresponding uniform colours match, and the big

fight scene has the good guy without his shirt.

Honestly, they took everything from the few minutes of the movie, and started from there.