WordWolf

I believe I have the artists, but I can't cudgel up the song title yet.

Relevant verses?

1 Corinthians 14:32-33

New American Standard Bible (NASB)

"32and the spirits of prophets are subject to prophets;

33for God is not a God of confusion but of peace, as in all the churches of the saints."

New King James Version (NKJV)

"32 And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.

33 For God is not the author of confusion but of peace, as in all the churches of the saints. "

New International Version (NIV)

"32The spirits of prophets are subject to the control of prophets.

33For God is not a God of disorder but of peace. As in all the congregations of the saints,"

The prophet (the one who speaks for God) remains in control,

and is not possessed, under the control of, slain by, nor otherwise the puppet of, The Spirit.

If a bunch of people make a ruckus of a church meeting, that's not God's fault-

he's not a God of confusion or disorder.

I Corinthians 14:40.

New American Standard Bible (NASB)

"40 But all things must be done properly and in an orderly manner."

New King James Version (NKJV)

"40 Let all things be done decently and in order."

New International Version (NIV)

"40 But everything should be done in a fitting and orderly way."

Having a meeting devolve into a session where people are barking, laughing, swinging their

arms around, running around the room, throwing themselves on the floor,

or slamming their head into the wall (I've heard examples of each)

is not an orderly manner, and is neither fitting nor proper.

Greasy,

I'm interested in the DVD burning part of it.

<center>sudo</center>

Are you saying you are unable to burn DVDs without Windows Vista?

logic-

if you don't have abundant sharing or tithe to give

and you have been giving-

IT AIN'T WORKING!!!!!!!!!!

sorry to yell

but perhaps she can see something that simple

By definition,

that means you have no "abundance".

According to twi's pamphlet "Christians Should be Prosperous"

(which was often assigned to read as homework when beginning pfal),

you're supposed to be prospering if you're giving them money.

If you're giving them money and you are not prospering, then their doctrine does not work.

As the mathematicians would write that,

~Q -> ~P.

A) You did not "jump too soon."

Although there's a few people who still insist that their experiences in twi were the greatest

things since sliced bread, nearly everybody who was ever exposed to it is happy to be

out.

B) Yes, the Belizean BRC people are an offshoot who is using the original materials

from vpw.

Here's a quick thumbnail of the life of vpw.

http://www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/index.ph...st&p=218978

Specifically, they're using his taped pfal class, now converted to DVDs.

C) Whether or not she's connected with the current twi,

or some nostalgic offshoot that still adores vpw,

she's NOT involved in something psychologically healthy,

ESPECIALLY if it's still lauding vpw to the skies.

(The man plagiarized while claiming to produce books based on a connection with God,

drugged and raped women, set up a structure to cover his tracks when he

drugged and raped women, often showed a toxic personality when not in public,

chainsmoked and drank alcohol DAILY while complaining youths didn't know how to

practice self-control, and sometimes taught harmful errors.

He was well below the minimum standard for ANY kind of leader, let alone

one purported to represent God.)

D) Both twi and some groups that spun off from twi use leaders that were trained

to command and bark orders and not tolerate free thinking and disagreement.

Both twi and some offshoots see "crushing dissent" and "humiliating dissenters"

as perfectly acceptable practices, especially once a veneer of godliness has been

added to it. So, she won't be allowed to think, and when she gets sick and tired

of being sick and tired, and tries to leave, they'll try to take her down emotionally

and/or psychologically. In twi, it was common to try to convince people that they

or their loved ones would drop dead if they left-

they'd be a "greasespot by midnight".

So, anticipate this. The practices are predictable, ungodly, and tiresome.

But then, this hardly qualifies as news to many people.

Feel free to send pm's to me or anyone else you think is making sense here.

(The worst they can do is say "No, I don't want to talk to you.")

Feel free to make up your own mind. If you don't think I or anyone else makes

sense, hey, your conclusions. Feel free to reassess your conclusions if later events

seem to support our claims.

So,

theorizing and speculating time.

Who thinks Sirius Black died and who thinks he's still alive?

As far as the books go,

we know he was last seen in the Death Room of the Dept of Mysteries,

having passed thru the Veil/Arch.

He was hit with an unvocalized Stunner, and shoved thru the passage.

So, he was very much alive the instant before he went thru.

We know it was a Stunner because Harry was watching the scene, and

Harry's well aware of what a green spell means-only the AK has been

demonstrated to be green.

Bellatrix fires a red Stunner, misses, then fires another spell of unspecified

colour, which shoves Sirius.

Harry expected to see Sirius alive a moment later-and he knows full well

what a green spell-the AK-does.

If that really was the AK, and JKR NEGLECTED to give the colour and Harry's

response didn't reflect that, JKR made a mistake more fundamental than I'm

prepared to accept her making. She's mortal, but she's not moronic. Every

use of the AK is carefully placed in the series.

Would a single non-AK kill Sirius?

No. Sirius was in his 30s and in full health. He can weather one better than a

Muggle of similar age and health. McGonagall, at her advanced age,

takes 4 Stunners and needs medical attention-but that doesn't kill her either.

(Book 5, during the Astronomy OWL.)

So, he was alive unless the Arch/Veil killed him.

And if he's alive, he'll be seen again in Book 7.

(Otherwise, there's no point in him not dying.)

So, Sirius: alive or dead?

Man... if she only got $1 for every book sold... I wonder if she's married...

Married with kids.

Read her website, and you'll learn about the writer the fastest.

http://www.jkrowling.com/textonly/en

Among other things, she's corrected a rumour about her husband.

http://www.jkrowling.com/textonly/en/rubbi...n_view.cfm?id=2

"Section: Rubbish Bin

Symbol(s): Recycled, Pure Garbage

Dr. Neil Murray 'gives up work'

Last year several newspaper stories alleged that my husband had given up work, presumably to sit at home and watch me write. This is one of those stories that make me angry, because they hurt my family. We asked the newspapers who had printed the misinformation to correct the story, which they did. However, an article has recently appeared in which Neil is yet again described as not working. So... and hopefully for the last time... Neil has NEVER given up work and continues to practise as a doctor in Edinburgh.

All rights reserved JK Rowling."

*wild guess* "Lost in Space"?

It's a common sentiment...

now have I ever heard these exact lyrics,

or just something similar?

*thinks*

"Mudd's Women"!

They made Mc Coy's scanners go "bleep"!

(BTW, the "wife of a Caesar" comment I made was a reference to "Mirror Mirror".)

I always wait for something corroborating.

JKR herself said only 3 sources are to be trusted for HP news:

JKR herself

Scholastic or Bloomsbury, the book publishers

Warner Brothers, on the movies

http://www.movieweb.com/news/97/17397.php

Thursday, February 1st, 2007

"Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows by J.K. Rowling, the seventh and final book in the best-selling series, has been scheduled for release at 12:01 a.m. on July 21, 2007, it was announced today by Scholastic, the global children's publishing, education and media company.

In making the announcement, Lisa Holton, President of Scholastic Children's Books said, "We are thrilled to announce the publication date of the seventh installment in this remarkable series. We join J.K. Rowling's millions of readers -- young and old, veterans and newcomers -- in anticipating what lies ahead."

Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince, J.K. Rowling's sixth Harry Potter book, was released on July 16, 2005, and was the fastest-selling book in history, selling 6.9 million copies in the first 24 hours. All six Harry Potter books, Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone, Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets, Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban, Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire, Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix and Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince have been number one bestsellers in the United States, the U.K., and around the world. There are currently over 120 million copies of the Harry Potter books in print in the United States alone.

Scholastic will publish Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows (ISBN: 0- 545-01022-5 ; Price: $34.99) in hardcover under the Arthur A. Levine imprint with interior and cover art by Mary GrandPre, who has illustrated the previous six books. The deluxe edition (ISBN: 0-545-02937-6; Price: $65.00) and reinforced library edition (ISBN: 0-545-02936-8 ; Price: $39.99 ) will be published simultaneously."

OMG OMG It WILL be published July 21, 07!!!!!

I JUST read it on rk`s sight!!!!! WOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

OMG I am SO EXCITED!!!!!!!!

This is SOOOO neat. I know that I checked that site yesterday and it wasn`t there....

Oh MAN to finally get all of the answeres. It is going to be very sad as well, knowing that it is the last to be savored....sigh

Oh, you meant it was JKR's site.

(RK???)

http://www.jkrowling.com/textonly/en/news_view.cfm?id=97

"Section: News

Thursday 1 February 2007

Publication Date for Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows

Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows will be published on Saturday 21st July 2007 at 00:01 BST in the UK and at 00:01 in the USA. It will also be released at 00:01 BST on Saturday 21st July in other English speaking countries around the world.

All rights reserved JK Rowling."

starbird -

no one is saying you can't discuss *your* beliefs however I think what is missing here is *why* this is your belief...

it seems to me, who has posted counter points to your posts, that you don't wish to engage in any debate or dialog - you just harp on about your beliefs, with no personal validation behind them. It almost seems robotic and hollow, which is too bad, because as someone who has come across this issue in the workplace (a hospital), I would have thought there would be more information, history, etc. behind it. It seems more like an empty drum you're beating on and not a solid truth you've witnessed in your life, save two friends who have declined blood.

You are more than welcome to post your beliefs but I think you're credibility is waning with your lack of personalization with each post, I'm sorry to say.

Peace.

Bingo.

For free,

here's the worst offenders of the misconceptions I hear.

1) Dumbledore survived or will return.

No, JKR's been very specific.

He is definitely dead, and will not be "doing a Gandalf."

2) JKR said exactly 2 characters die in Book 7.

No.

She said she changed part of the story,

so 1 character who was slated to die, will live instead,

and 2 characters who were slated to live, will die instead.

So, 2 MORE characters will die.

Since the plot was worked out long in advance,

such a change obviously does NOT refer to Harry or Voldy.

(If they die, they were planned to since Book 1 was out.)

3) JKR said she's going to kill off Harry so there will be no

sequels.

No.

She said there will be no sequels. 7 books and the story is

over. Possibly, there may be an 8th book for charity like

"Quidditch Through the Ages" and "Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them"

as a sort of sourcebook for the series, and possibly footnotes on

"whatever happened to" characters after Book 7.

As for Harry, she was asked about killing him off.

She said she understood why some writers kill off the character,

to prevent a sequel.

If anything, one might suspect she was disagreeing with them,

which suggests Harry survives.

(Meanwhile, I use the OTHER quote to point to his survival.)

Since I think you'll find it useful, here's something I posted elsewhere.

August 1, 2006, JKR did a public appearance with John Grisham and Stephen King.

Someone made a transcript of the whole thing, divided into 3 parts.

I took all 3 parts, and stripped out all the lines that related to JKR in any way,

then reposted them together as one document.

I left them labelled as A, B, C rather than parts I, II, III,

so if you want to see if I'm lying, you can go look for all 3 parts and know

which part to check.

This settled a number of nagging questions, IMHO.

So, here's the relevant quotes.

========================

Excerpts from 8-1-06 JKR Press Conference.

From A:

JKR:"I always planned seven books, and I planned this particular ending, and if I get through it and do what I meant to do when I first committed to this story, then I'll be proud.

Audience member question (paraphrased): Why did Dumbledore have to die [asked by TIME for Kids representative]

Rowling: I did an interview last year in which I was asked this question. In the genre in which I'm writing, you usually find that the hero has to go on alone. There comes a point when his support falls away and to be truly heroic he has to act alone. Harry is not completely alone, he still has his two faithful sidekicks. This was summarized for me by the person who asked the question with, you mean the old wizard always gets it, and that fundamentally, that is what I was saying. I was as trying to dress it up a little better than that. So that's why. In these sort of epic sagas, the hero eventually has to fight alone.

Audience member question (paraphrased): Have there been any changes to what you initially planned out?

Rowling: It is different to an extent. The essential plot is what I always planned when working toward the end I've planned toward the beginning. But a couple of characters I expected to survive have died and one character got a reprieve, so there have been some fairly major changes I suppose.

==========================

From B:

Nina: I just wanted to know what Hermione would see if she looked into the Mirror of Erised?

J.K. Rowling: Well -- (crowd laughs and applauds) -- at the moment, as you know, Harry, Ron, and Hermione have just finished their penultimate year at Hogwarts and Hermione and Ron have told Harry that they're going to go with him wherever he goes next. So at the moment I think that Hermione would see most likely the three of them alive and unscathed and Voldemort finished.

But I think that Hermione would also see herself closely entwined with...another...person (crowd roars and applauds loudly). I think you can probably guess. Thank you, very good question. I've never been asked that before. Now we have another.

Unknown (1): Can muggles brew potions if they follow the exact instructions and they have all of the ingredients?

J.K. Rowling: Well, I'd have to say no. Because there is always a magical component in the potion. Not just the ingredients so

at some point they will have to use a wand. I've been asked what would happen if a muggle picked up a magic wand in my world and the answer would probably be something accidental and probably quite violent because the wand in my world is merely a vehicle or a vessel of sorts and there is a very close relationship as you know between the wand that each wizard uses and themselves. And you'll find out more about that in book 7 (crowd applauds).

For a muggle you need the ability, in other words, to make these things work properly but you're right and I think that's an interesting point. As Potions seems on the face of it to be the most muggle-friendly subject. But there's normally a point in which you need to use magic. Thank you, good question.

Unknown (2): First I just want to say happy belated birthday!

J.K. Rowling: Oh thank you!

Unknown (2): You said in a recent interview that Snape --

J.K. Rowling: Snape!

Unknown (2): Uh huh (crowd applauds and screams) -- had a sort of redemptive quality about him, and I was wondering if there was any chance that Draco Malfoy might redeem himself?

J.K. Rowling: All you girls and Draco Malfoy (crowd applauds). You've got to get past this.

Unknown (2): And if any other characters might redeem themselves?

J.K. Rowling: Well, I believe that almost anyone can redeem themselves. However, in some cases, as we know from reality -- if a psychologist were ever able to get Voldemort in a room, tape him down, take his wand away, I think he would be classified as a psychopath (crowd laughs). So there are people for whom redemption is not possible.

So I'd say for my main characters, yes, there's the possibility for redemption for all of them. Draco I think -- Harry's view is that even given unlimited time would not have killed -- I'm assuming you all have read book 6 by now (crowd laughs), because I don't want to here a child cry that he was five pages away from the end -- let's just say that Draco would not have murdered the person in question. What that means for Draco's future, you will have to wait for.

Samantha: In the wizarding world there are many wandmakers, Ollivander's being the one we're most familiar with. How come Ollivander chose the three magical cores for the wands he makes to be phoenix feather, unicorn hair, and dragon heartstring? And how come he decided that these are the three most powerful cores as opposed to others such as veela hair?

J.K. Rowling: Good question. Well, it is true that there are several wandmakers and in my notes about Harry I have many different cores for wands. Essentially I decided Ollivander was going to use my three favorites. So Ollivander has decided that those are the three most powerful substances. Other wandmakers might choose things that are particular to their country because countries as you know in my world have their own particular indigenous magical species so veela hair was kind of obvious for Fleur's wand. But um, yeah, good question. I've never had that one before (crowd applauds).

Todd: You mentioned before in the video that you had written the final chapter, but umm, how do you know when to stop writing an ending?

J.K. Rowling: How do I know when to stop?

Todd: How do you know when to stop, yeah?

J.K. Rowling: Well I think some of the reviews of Phoenix suggest that I didn't know when to stop ha ha (crowd laughs). Well, I decided, you know, sixteen years ago, or thereabouts where I was going. And I will say, I'm quite a long way into writing book seven now. And there's a lot still to explain. I hadn't really realized... There's still a lot to find out, and there's a lot to figure out... and I'll probably leave some loose ends hanging that you'll be able to say, "Oh, well, in book eight, she'll explain why" (crowd screams approval). "You mentioned the toad!" That's not significant, by the way, just to save myself 500 letters. "You mentioned the toad!"

Yes, but I do know where I'm going, I really do know where I'm going. I'm really going to miss writing Harry Potter; I will miss it fiendishly. Twenty-seven? Any thoughts on twenty-seven? (crowd laughs). No, I've plotted it out, and I think you'd start to see that I was running out of plot if I pushed it past this (crowd applauds).

Stephen King: We'd like to take a few more questions and I'd like you to welcome the moderator who's going to [unintelligible] her name is Soledad O'Brien.

=================

From C:

JKR: I notice you like Snape. Just never give up hope you people, do you?

Christina: My name is Christina and I'm 13 years old and from Staten Island, New York. If you could bring one Harry Potter character to life, other than Harry, who would it be?

JK Rowling: If I could bring somebody to life?

Christina: Other than Harry.

JK Rowling: Other than Harry. Umm, personally, although it's a really tricky one, Hagrid. If I could have anyone (crowd applauds). Because I think - I think we'd all like a Hagrid in our life. Liability though he often is. It would be really great if I met a fundamentalist Christian, to say, "Would you like to discuss the matter with Hagrid?" (crowd laughs and applauds).

Unknown (1): I'm 18 years old and I'm from New York. My question is, in Half-Blood Prince, Aunt Petunia is said to be oddly flushed when Dumbledore announces that Harry will be returning only once more to Privet Drive. Does this mean that Aunt Petunia harbors a hidden love or fondness for Harry and the connection he provides her to the wizarding world? (crowd laughs and applauds).

JK Rowling: That's an excellent question (crowd laughs). And like all the best and most penetrating questions, it's difficult to answer. But, I will say this.

There is a little more to Aunt Petunia than meets the eye and you will find out what that is in book seven (crowd roars and applauds).

Cory Mayer: My name's Cory Mayer and I'm 9 years old and I'm from Bordentown, New Jersey. I absolutely love your books. I'm not a big reader but your books make me want to read and that makes my mom happy (crowd and JK Rowling laugh). She loves your books too. In a recent interview you hinted at two main characters dying and possibly Harry Potter too. Was Dumbledore considered one of the main characters or will we have the chance to see him in action once again? Since he is the most powerful wizard of all time and Harry Potter is so loyal to him, how could he really be dead?

JK Rowling: Ohhhhhhhh (Jo puts her head in her arms and crowd cheers and applauds). I feel terrible (crowd laughs). The British writer Graham Green once said that every writer had to have a chip of ice in their heart. Oh no (Jo says half weeping while crowd laughs). I think you may just have ruined my career (crowd laughs). Umm, I really can't answer that question because the answer is in book seven but ...

you shouldn't expect Dumbledore to do a Gandalf. Let me just put it that way. I'm sorry (crowd moans and applauds).

Salman and Milan Rushdie: Hello. We are Salman and Milan Rushdie (crowd applauds). Umm -

JK Rowling: I'm not that sure this is fair (crowd laughs). I think you might be better at guessing plots than most. But anyway, off you go.

Salman and Milan Rushdie: We are 9 and 59. And one of us is good at guessing plots, not me. And this is really Milan's question and it's kind of a follow up to the previous one.

JK Rowling: Alright. Okay.

Salman and Milan Rushdie: Until the events of Volume 6, it was always made plain that Snape might have been an unlikable fellow but he was essentially one of the good guys (crowd screams approval).

JK Rowling: I can see this is the question you all really want answered.

Salman and Milan Rushdie: Dumbledore himself - Dumbledore himself had always vouched for him.

JK Rowling: Yes.

Salman and Milan Rushdie: Now we are suddenly told that Snape is a villain and Dumbledore's killer.

JK Rowling: Un hunh.

Salman and Milan Rushdie: We cannot, or don't want to believe this (crowd laughs). Our theory is that Snape is in fact, still a good guy (crowd applauds). From which it follows that Dumbledore can't really be dead and that the death is a ruse cooked up between Dumbledore and Snape to put Voldemort off his guard so that when Harry and Voldemort come face to face (crowd laughs). Harry may have more allies than he or Voldemort suspects. So, is Snape good or bad? (crowd laughs, applauds and screams and Jo chuckles). In our opinion, everything follows from it.

JK Rowling: Well, Salman, your opinion, I would say is ... right.

But I see that I need to be a little more explicit and say that Dumbledore is definitely ... dead

(crowd gasps). And I do know - I do know that there is an entire website out there that says - that's name is DumbledoreIsNotDead.com so umm, I'd imagine they're not pretty happy right now (crowd laughs). But I think I need - you need -

all of you need to move through the five stages of grief (crowd laughs), and I'm just helping you get past denial.

So, I can't remember what's next. It may be anger so I think we should stop it here. Thank you (crowd applauds).

Stephen King: That's a good idea (crowd laughs and applauds) I'll tell you what. I think our idea of what scares us changes as we get older. As a young person, one of the scariest things I ever read was Lord of the Flies. Because of the idea of those kids turning feral just scared the dickens outta me. Sometimes you get surprised into fright. When I picked up the Harry Potter books, I was not prepared for the depth of some of the frightening passages in there. Frankly, I was surprised by how scary the deatheaters were (crowd applauds) So there was plenty of scary stuff there. You know I've read a range of modern scary stuff. I try to keep up with the competitors (crowd laughs) The deatheaters - deatheaters are good.

JK Rowling: I scared Stephen King! (crowd applauds)

Stephen King: You scared Stephen King. Yeah. I hope you're proud of yourself!

JK Rowling: Oh, I'm very proud of myself! Thank you yes I am! (crowd laughs)

Martha Hoover: Good evening. Thank you. It has been an honor. This evening my question for you is, what is the one question your fans have never asked you, and should have? (crowd laughs and applauds).

JK Rowling: Oh, God (crowd laughs). How can I answer that? I can think of a couple of things that give away the ending of book seven (crowd laughs). Having got this far ... having got 16 years down the line, I kind of feel that would throw it away (crowd laughs). For me, anyway, having put the effort in. I think that I've been asked excellent questions, it's just that the final book contains a couple of pieces of information that I don't think you could guess at. So umm - I would umm - I'm sorry.

You see, people think that it's all so fixed in my head. It's not that obsessively plotted out. For example, this afternoon I believe I changed my mind on the title of book seven (crowd oohhs). Having been quite convinced that I had the title, I suddenly thought, "No, that would be better, wouldn't it?" in the shower just before coming out here, so - (crowd laughs).

But you know what, I'm not going to tell you either version, because I don't - (crowd groans). Oh, come on! Now really! Have I not given you enough? I gave you Aunt Petunia. I told you Dumbledore is really (Jo moves finger across neck). So, I am trying to give something to you. Anyway. I'm sorry. I suppose it's that question. Everyone's really pleased you asked that question. It's me who's let everyone down, not you. sorry (crowd sighs and applauds).

Soledad O'Brien: I'm going to pose the final question to you and I'd like all three of you to take a stab at it. You can do it in any order that you would like.

If you were to have dinner with any five characters from any of your books -- take a moment to think about it -- who would you invite, and why would they be on your list? Any order.

JK Rowling: Well I'd take Harry, to apologize to him (crowd laughs). Um, I'd have to take Harry, Ron and Hermione.

JK Rowling: I would - this is - (crown shouts suggestions).

JK Rowling: See, I know who's actually dead.

JK Rowling: Pretend I can take anyone? Well then I would definitely take Dumbledore. I'd take Dumbledore, Harry, Ron, Hermione...and.. (crowd shouts characters) um, Hagrid. I'd take Hagrid, yeah. And Owen because he wouldn't take up much space (crowd laughs).

======================

A number of us, once I pointed out that closing comment, interpret it as follows.

She was asked to name 5 characters to have dinner with.

She names 3, then pauses, saying she knows who's actually dead.

Then she found out she can invite characters who are dead,

so she names Dumbledore.

What that suggests is that she thought she could only invite characters who survive to the

end of the series, and named Harry, Ron and Hermione.

Therefore, all 3 of them survive.

All bets are off on everyone else.

I kind of wondered after I heard that rumor if the reason that Lily was nice/stood up for SS was because she knew him before/outside of school.

[it's POSSIBLE, but I doubt it.]

Petunia had more than one correspondence with DD, I wonder if she had a chance to be in the witch world and declined.

[Doubtful. She specified Petunia is not a Squib, nor can she use magic.

http://www.jkrowling.com/textonly/en/rumours_view.cfm?id=37

"Section: Rumours

Aunt Petunia will start exhibiting magical tendencies

No, she won't. Aunt Petunia has never performed magic, nor will she ever be able to do so."

I also noticed that magic as a concept terrifies her.

She's a clean-freak. She's always trying to disinfect, almost as if she's afraid of a loss

of control, or the contamination of magic might land somewhere.

And she tried to drive the magic out of Harry as a kid-as if that could work.

So, not a "witch", not a Squib, and terrified of magic.

Doesn't spell "interest in the wizarding world" to me.

Argus Filch and Arabella Figg are Squibs, so they already HAVE a connection to it.

Petunia doesn't.

Although there's still something left to discover.

Possibly "what was in those letters."]

I guess one of the things Harry will have to do is to hunt down mundungus fletcher. I`ll bet the heavy gold locket that they found while cleaning out the cabinets at the old black house in ottp was the horcrux that Regulus Black (that has to be who rab is and why he was killed) stole from the cave that DD and Harry searched.

Harry caught mundungus stealing silver and stuff in thbp, I`ll bet he finds out that dung took the horcrux, not knowing what it was.

[some of us are sure the "heavy amulet no one could open" found in the house along with the

music box that put people to sleep, and the biting jewelbox was the Horcrux.

Now, what happened to it SINCE?

Either A) still where they left it, or B) in Kreacher's nest with the broken pictures or

C) Mundungus Fletcher took it.

If Dung took it, either A) he still has it or B) he fenced it, possibly bringing it BACK to

Borgin & Burkes, or C) he sold it to Aberforth Dumbledore, barman of the Hogs Head

bar in Hogmeade. (Aberforth was covering his neck as Dung was leaving, I think.)]

Have you ever wondered what happened to Harry`s grandparents/relatives on James` side? Serius Black said that he was always welcome to sunday dinner. Surely the Potters had relatives, cousins, etc in the witch world. All of the wizarding families had inter married.

[JKR said she needed to get rid of all of Harry's dad's family to move the story where she

wanted. So James Potter was the only son of a couple who had him later in life, after

they expected not to have one, and they've passed away boringly of a disease since the

Marauders were in school. Also, James inherited money and didn't HAVE to work.

(Although wizards don't seem to ever invest or EARN INTEREST, even in Gringotts.]

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Well,

we gave you a chance to make your case,

without just cut-and-pasting, or replying solely in links.

You have elected to avoid speaking for yourself,

and have elected to dodge when plain questions called for plain speaking.

We're not interested in what you have to sell.

We've given you the benefit of the doubt, and you've had time to give

us data to form an opinion.

We've formed opinions.

Most people would consider persisting here a waste of time,

since we are now disinterested in your sales pitch, and the returns

are "diminishing returns."

However, if you really, really want to persist, we can do so.

Just don't have the nerve to be surprised when you reap what you've

been sowing (as opposed to what you MEANT to sow.)

Well, since the third date set (1918 was the third year when the Apocalypse was

predicted, and 1975 was the fourth), the world still seems to be moving along.

This is an incredibly slow Apocalypse.

If you're looking for converts, this is the wrong p[ace.

We're pretty convert-resistant, have been burned before

("once bitten, twice shy") and have little interest in having

our heads shaved again or any other cult initiation.

Nevertheless, if you really want to dance this dance, by all means,

I'll call for the orchestra.....

you have gone cocky since your friend showed up..

starbird

Just because she HAS friends (here) and you don't is no reason to be a'hatin'.

BTW,

this is a digression, but I thought you might want to look this over.

This is a set of links about the "fat" thing.

JKR said this, and it started the discussion.

http://www.jkrowling.com/textonly/en/extra..._view.cfm?id=22

Then suddenly this popped up in her "Rubbish Bin"-

someone claimed JKR was hypocritical in her previous comments!

http://www.jkrowling.com/textonly/en/rubbi..._view.cfm?id=14

We missed something important!

Ok, here is the article-which is what we missed...

in 3 links:

http://www.mugglenet.com/viewer/?image_loc...lscans/MoS1.jpg

http://www.mugglenet.com/viewer/?image_loc...lscans/MoS2.jpg

http://www.mugglenet.com/viewer/?image_loc...s/DailyMail.jpg

All of that prompted a MuggleNet editorial,

seen here:

http://www.mugglenet.com/infosection/opinion/fatfem.shtml

which prompted many responses,

which prompted this followup from MuggleNet...

http://www.mugglenet.com/infosection/opinion/fatfem2.shtml

Which explains what showed up in her Rubbish Bin.

Me,

I think the sloppy newspaper writer was careless enough

to confuse the movie for the book.

When junior high school students do that in a book report, it's bad.

When a professional does this, it's unforgiveable.

That was the Daily Mail, which is supposedly a respectable newspaper,

if not, say, the Wall St Journal or the NY Times.

He's unfamiliar with the books he's criticizing, and based his criticism on the

MOVIES based on the books.

As any HP fan (or LotR fan) can tell him, there can be BIG differences between the two.

JKR has NO control over casting. Says so on her website.

JKR's sole involvement in casting was being asked if she had ANY recommendations before

Movie 1 was cast, and she said "Robbie Coltrane for Hagrid."

"Hollywood" has made the characters pretty or handsome by casting pretty or

handsome actors. The only characters we really know the weights on-

and are either thin or fat- are Harry in Book 1 (who is malnourished),

Hagrid (he's big, and carries extra weight, but well),

Dudley (who's fat but loses weight by Book 5),

Petunia (who's THIN),

and one other.

It's very interesting that Madame Maxime is supposed to be big in every dimension-

but the actress cast is THIN.

So, that one is the OPPOSITE of what JKR did.

Remember Book 4? Maxime told Hagrid that she was "big-boned"?

That's the favourite response of some people who are fat-

"I'm not fat-I'm big-boned." (Cartman's made that a mantra..)

Harry pretty much confirmed she's not thin...

"Only thing with bigger bones than her is a dinosaur."

So, blame the directors, but not JKR.

Boggles my mind that parents would consider that class-

complete with the pictures of naked people thru a considerable portion of that class-

was acceptable to have a 12-year-old girl to attend,

let along RECOMMEND she take it.

This, to me, ranks up there with the live CFS classes when vpw showed the pornographic

movie of the 2 women doing stuff to that dog, and there were under-18s

in attendance.

Raised on page 1, and still not addressed except to say it was addressed while still

not actually ADDRESSING it.

How about YOU address the issue since YOU raised it?

How about a DISCUSSION instead of just mimicking what you've heard or read?

How about addressing the points that have been raised on this thread? In YOUR OWN WORDS.

That would be novel.

See,

this is a DISCUSSION forum.

We DISCUSS stuff here,

not just post links of OTHER people's opinions or discussions.

Dodging issues or ignoring them is not the same as DISCUSSING,

which is what we do here.

Links are fine as PARTS of discussion, but are not SUBSTITUTES for discussion.

(I really don't think I'm unreasonable when I say this, and I don't get why

some people think I am, unless their standards aren't reasonable.)

We can use any song from any era.

I guess 1965 works just as well as 1970.

Besides, I gave my opinion.

If 1965 works better, great.

Besides, anybody can post from any song.

I've posted oldies because I knew some of the others would appreciate it.

The only rule we've pretty-much agreed on was AIRPLAY.

If people post songs nobody ever had a chance to hear on the air,

then it's unfair to expect them to know them.

I don't post songs I've only heard in my music collection for that reason,

and others have agreed.

That having been said, any song or any line is still fair game.

We don't have to vote on that.

(And we don't get to vote on what my OPINION should be, nor should we. )

Let's see if this works....

This is an old topic.

http://www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/index.php?showtopic=960

This topic overlaps it.

http://www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/index.php?showtopic=489

This post was from the "Don't ya just love it when" topic.

Hope R said

"When you tell someone you have a medical condition and they immediately tell you to go to the health food store and buy vitamins, or do the cleanse or take some other concoction when they no NOTHING about your illness.

I have a chronic condition that I've learned to live with. If and when I tell people what it is, 9 times out of 10 they say "oh, my Grandmother had THAT! She stopped drinking milk and got better." or "you should think about doing the colon cleanse."

OMG - the cleanse would probably just about KILL me!

What I want to do is hand them all the books I've read and give them the links to the websites I've looked at regarding my medical disorder and say "read these, then come back and tell me what to do". Instead I just try to quickly explain what is wrong with me and how they've got it mixed up with something else, which is usually the case."

This is from the "Good or Evil?" thread.

Pirate1974 said

"Looking back from over 25 years of being out, I can't say that I ever experienced anything that I could classify as "evil." Stupid, yes. Lots and lots of stupid.

Of course, I was never in any kind of leadership position at all. I was just the nut on the way tree. I had no contact with New Knoxville except for an hour wandering around the farm at the ROA.

If I had to describe most of the people where I was, they would be "nerds." Except for a few exceptions, good little boys and girls who never stepped out a line, especially in anything involving twi, no matter how hard I tried to push them.

I enjoyed the twig meetings and coffeehouses, but I hated the pressure to take classes and witness and go wow and do the colon cleanse. If you didn't do those things, you weren't walking the walk. If they had just left me alone to be the nut on the tree, I might have stayed longer, but probably not because of personal stuff.

When I was in, we were all supposed to aspire to the Holy Grail of the Advanced Class. To reach that pinnacle of spiritual success, one had to complete something called "home studies" a fill-in-the blank exercise in way doctrine. I did the first one, got marked down for putting a comma in the wrong place, threw it in the trash and never did another one. No spritual perfection for you!!!

The only way corps people I ever met were some passing through on their way to somewhere else,like Bo Reahard or Randy Anderson. I've been told I met Martindale, but he must not have made much of an impression on me, because I have no memory of it. Our leaders were all college kids my own age or a little older. Even the limb leader was in his 20s, and this was one of the twi "hot spots" Greenville, NC.

Different times, different places, different experiences. When I first discovered Waydale, it was hard to connect the stories that I read there with the collection of dorks and twerps that I knew. When I heard that Rosalie was president, I almost fell out of my chair. When I knew her, she could barely run a twig.

That was my experience. Doesn't mean I don't believe what happened to other people just because I never saw it."

That's what I found, anyway.

I'd check those threads for discussions so far, but feel free to have a new discussion on it,

especially since sometimes new stuff comes to light.

(And even if it doesn't, enjoy your discussion. :) )

[WordWolf in brackets and boldface again.]

While on the subject of Neville, why did the DE torture his parents into insanity? Would that have had anything to do with covering the prophesy with both babies that the prophesy might have referred to?

[http://www.jkrowling.com/textonly/en/rumours_view.cfm?id=25

Section: Rumours

The Lestranges were sent after Neville to kill him

No, they weren’t, they were very definitely sent after Neville’s parents. I can’t say too much about this because it touches too closely on the prophecy and how many people knew about it, but the Lestranges were not in on the secret.

All rights reserved JK Rowling."]

Could it be that the reason his folks were tortured was to gain access to where he was?

[i forget whether that was specified in Book 4 when discussing crimes performed

by Death Eaters, or in Book 5 when visiting St Mungo's Hospital.

But they were tortured after Voldy's vanishing to find where he went to.]

I know I always assumed, but was it ever said if the torture happened before or after v attacked Lily and James?

One popular theory regarding Snape, is that he was raised in the muggle world and knew Lily and Petunia. When Petunia burst out concerning the dementors at Azkaban, and said that *awfull boy* had told her.....specualtion is that she was referring to a young snape in the muggle world (his Dad was a muggle) instead of James as we all assumed.

[Hm.

Tobias Snape (Muggle) married Eileen Prince ("witch").

Tobias had serious control issues, and inhibited Eileen's abilities to do

magic much the same way as Marvolo Gaunt (Grandpa) inhibited Merope Gaunt (Ma)

by humiliating her and belittling her.

Logically, Tobias WOULD not live in the wizarding world- even if Hogsmeade wasn't

the only all-wizarding community in Britain, even if he COULD.

Therefore, they lived in a Muggle community.

We know how Tobias treated Eileen based entirely on the clips seen in Book 4

during Harry's Occlumency lessons when Harry used "Protego" and reversed

the effect.

We know Eileen STILL taught Severus some things about magic, by definition.

There's nobody else TO teach him, and he entered Hogwarts knowing a considerable

amount of magic, whether or not he really knew more hexes than most 5th years

as Sirius described him in Book 5. I found the description consistent with what little

he learned as a kid and demonstrated later-that OTHERS' fear is a powerful tool, and can give

one the feeling of power and counteract a feeling of helplessness one's SELF has

when facing those who fear you. This is consistent with what Tobias Snape taught

by example, and what SS demonstrated in falling in with the Death Eaters.

Frankly, faced with 4 Marauders, with at least 2 of them harassing one of him,

the sensible approach for him was to get a gang of his own-or at least 1-3 more

people to watch his back. The DEs served this purpose, it seems, if only once Snape

graduated Hogwarts. We do know his circle of friends at the time DID include those

who became DEs- probably Lucius Malfoy, and the elder Crabbe and Goyle. This

would make Draco's offer of friendship to Harry in Book 1 a counterpart to some

similar offer from Lucius Malfoy to SS when HE was a student-or a graduate.

We do know Lucius serves as such to him, since Dolores Umbridge said it outright

in Book 5. ""You are being deliberately unhelpful! I expected better, Lucius Malfoy always speaks most highly of you! Now get out of my office!""

As to whether or not 'that awful boy' was Snape and not James, I don't see any reason

to suspect Severus, Lily or James had met before Hogwarts. The families ARE scattered

all over Britain. So far as we've seen, the only ones that live closer to each other are the

Weasleys and the Diggorys (walking distance to each other and the same Portkey in Book 4

on the way to the Quidditch World Cup), those who work in government

(Percy Weasley moved to London to be closer to the Ministry of Magic, IIRC),

and those in Diagon Alley (we know at least 2 shopkeepers live above their shop, and it

is reasonable to suppose they are not the ONLY ones who live there or at least MOVE

there when trouble starts in Book 6.)

Not to say it isn't POSSIBLE, just not PROBABLE.]

I agree the death of DD was contrived between Snape and DD, else why freeze Harry under the invisibility cloak? WHy did DD insist that he needed Snape instead of madame Pomphry when Rosmerta was offering to get help?

[Madame Pomphrey's specialty is medicine- medical-type stuff.

Snape's specialties are 2: Potions (including poisons),

and Dark Arts/Defense Against the Dark Arts.

IIRC, Snape's the one who saved DD's hand before Book 6,

and it seemed that Snape was more the "go to" after each search.

1) Snape was in on the "missions" to a smaller or greater degree.

2) Snape was able to cure poisons.

3) Snape was able to identify Dark Arts and counteract them.

Doubt his effectiveness in doing so? He did it "on-camera" after Draco was

hit with Sectumsempra. He healed him, then brought him to the infirmary

while rattling off that dittany was what he needed now to avoid even a scar.

That seemed almost reflexive. Snape seems a handy guy to have around

when trying to survive Dark Arts, something like a combat medic when

compared to a hospital.

So, although I agree SS and DD were collaborating on protecting SS's "cover",

I don't think this here was proof of it.]

I think that among other things, they had to give Draco a chance to save himself, and a way to rescue him from the death eaters. Remember when DD said that it wasn`t Draco`s mercy, but his that was important?

When Harry was chasing Snape after it happened, Snape had ample opportunity to kill him. He didn`try any killing curses as he was fleeing with Draco.

[snape owed Harry for James' life, and his OWN, still.

(Snape was saved by James, and Snape ended up responsible for

James dying, and was horrified when James and Lily were killed.

Did he want to save Lily? Possibly- but he NEEDED to save James,

and he got James in peril instead.]

I vote for Snape being a good guy.

[i still say SS is on the OotP's side, but mainly on his OWN side.

He's had BOTH sides watching his back for 6 books- nice maneuver.

Clever, and it saved his neck-both properties admired by Slytherins.]

According to RK`s web sight as of Dec, she is still writing. I seriously doubt that there is time to get it to the publisher and on the shelves by june.

I once read where she had finally finished her manuscript (I think it was for OTP) and given it to the publishers. We were all eccstatic.... It was an entire year before the publishers had the book ready for distribution.

Sadly, I don`t look for the sequal too soon, I would be delighted to find out that I was wrong.