WordWolf

That's funny-

you were told it was available.

When you asked, you were specifically told it was no longer available.

And yet, from the mainstage at ROA '79,

vpw himself said-3 years after YOU were told it WASN'T- he said it WAS.

(Even if the policy changed 20 minutes before your letter was received,

that's still 3 years' difference.)

Seems like crowds were told it WAS,

but anyone who ASKED was told it WASN'T.

Was something supposed to happen?

Sorry brethern and sisterns... I guess this game is not my forte... anyway, I just watched Firewall last night, so I don't have any other fresh quotes to think of...

For next time, you can do what I did for Pete's Dragon.

http://www.google.com

enter into the search "firewall" "movie" "quotes"

and hit return.

The first page should have a bunch of quotes from the movie on at least 1 page.

In this case, the first result DOES.

In my case, I pulled one quote off the page, and one from my memory

from when I saw the movie long ago.

Sometimes you can even get the entire SCRIPT.

Now we're showing 28.

The Most Right Reverend G. Gordon Godfrey says he wants to talk to you

about a franchise operation....

Maybe it's a screen error.

Before we crossed 200 users, we'd almost certainly crash the server.

If not, page downloads would slow to a crawl.

I'm seeing 37 users right now.

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And NOW I'm seeing 317, but the numbers of guests, anonymous users and users totals 37.

MUST be a screen error.

Well if some posters would just carefully read what I type, they may understand what I've suggested.

Of course there are some sentences and paragraphs that were plagiarized. That's obvious.

What I question and still do is the "intent" to lie and steal.

I think that is much more difficult to prove.

But I have no idea about 5%... that was just a wild guess. I suspect its a lot less.

I suspect it's at least 5% when it comes to word-for-word plagiarism.

Documentation of his plagiarism abounds, and some of it's linked up the page.

However,

as some people are fond of forgetting,

if you move some of the words around, it is STILL PLAGIARISM.

Plagiarism can be word-for-word, paragraph-for-paragraph, chapter-for-chapter,

concept-for-concept, book-for-book.

Paragraph for paragraph is when the plagiarist takes the original work, restates each

paragraph in his own words, and pretends it's his own work by leaving off any citations,

hoping to deceive and defraud the listener.

Chapter-for-chapter is when he does that with the chapters, so you have 2 books that

handle the same subjects in the same order, using the same concepts and sources,

with the wordings moved around a bit.

It's still fraud and still a crime.

(Same for concept and book.)

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As for "what was the intent of the scam artist when he attempted to defraud

the readers", there are only 2 possibilities:

A) He had no idea he was committing a crime, and so there's no malice.

This would now require he have not made it thru a competent high school,

no college, and no grad school, and have no editor.

vpw obviously does not fall in this category.

He heard all about plagiarism in high school, college AND grad school,

and if his doctorate was actually earned, he heard it there too.

(Princeton Theological Seminary, where he earned his Masters,

has never glossed over this crime-it's a respectable learning institution.)

B) He knew he was committing a crime, and chose to do so anyway.

What possible reasons could he have?

Well, there's only one, really-

he intended to deceive his audience as to what was his own work,

to artificially inflate his own talent,

to cheat the REAL authors of their proper credit.

It helped him promote the exclusivity of "his" books and classes-

by denying there is any other source than himself for the material.

Of course, INTENT of a premeditated crime really is not much of an issue-

they considered the situation and elected to commit a crime.

This is hardly along the lines of "I stole food to feed my starving family"-

it's really "I stole to make a product to sell, and to inflate my image".

Next Generation. I don't remember the title, but one of the cadets from "The First Duty" has been posted on the Enterprise. Picard gives her a hard time. Worf "teaches her a lesson" by having her fight blindfolded, ending in the exchange quoted. She winds up being picked for a secret mission, during which she is captured (and killed?) by the Cardassians.

George

Right.

"Lower Decks."

I really liked this episode, because it gave a rare look at some of the JUNIOR officers on the ship,

of whom. there's hundreds.

It also mentions that one of the cadets from Nova Squadron's disaster in "the First Duty",

Ensign Sito (Sito Jaxa, a Bajoran) graduated and served on the Enterprise at Picard's request.

(We'll never hear of Locarno again, because he's played by the actor who plays Tom Paris-

and Locarno was rejected as the character he was to play in Voyager.

One of the 5 was Josh Alpert, who died, one was Wesley Crusher, one was Locarno,

one was Sito Jaxa. Hm. I wonder if they ever wrote about the 5th one.)

Worf was an officer who appreciated Ensign Sito's performance, and she was a student

in some of his martial arts classes.

One of the best scenes, IMHO, was when they were playing poker, and the senior staff

was playing poker, and the camera cut back and forth between the games and conversations.

Your turn, George.

"There's one thing I don't understand. Doesn't gik'tal mean 'to the death'?"

"You... speak Klingon?"

"Sir... is there really such a thing as the gik'tal challenge?"

"No... there is not....

But perhaps the next time you are judged unfairly, you will not have to suffer so many

bruises before you protest."

(snip)

It has no record of Godly intervention as in Stiles case where he was told to go to Tulsa and there is no record of snow on any gas pumps seen by either party. There are circumstances involved with Stiles that do not hold true with others such as Kenyon,Bullinger and others, that I am willing to consider which is why I said originally "in this case." Stiles may have considered the words he wrote inspired by God, and as such not his to copyright, or own , thus he did not. He may have agreed that since they were not his to govern he had no problem with others using them as they were not his but God's

Mind you, the claim Stiles was told to go to Tulsa by God Almighty and "record of snow" is based on an

account purely from vpw and no other source:

page 198, "The Way:Living in Love":

""So I left the meeting, slipped out, went to my hotel and called the airport. I was all set to check out. But a funny thing had happened-

there was a blizzard in Tulsa. All the planes were grounded, So I couldn't get a plane. I tried the trains-they were all snowed in. The buses-same thing. The city was snowbound. I just couldn't get out!

Well, I called back the airport, and they said they could put me on standby for the night. I asked the girl on the phone, 'Does this happen all the time?' She said, 'No, this is the first time.' "Doctor punctuates his story with a rumbling laugh. He continues his account, pointing the car squarely towards the widening patch of blue sky."

"The next morning, I still hadn't left town. I went to breakfast at the hotel, sat down next to a straight guy. He looked me over and recognized me. He began, 'Aren't you the Evangelical and Reformed preacher who spoke in tongues last night?' I said, 'Yes, but it was a da*n lie.' Then he said he knew I was dam*ed because I cussed. That ended our conversation. Then a woman came over to me, and said, 'I think God sent a man here to meet your need. Meet me at 9am.' I thought,

'Women never tell the truth.' But then I reconsidered, since I was stuck in town anyway. So I decided to meet her. I got to the place she said at 9am, and there she was. She introduced me to a man named J.E. Stiles. He'd come in from the West Coast. A few days before, God had told him to go to Tulsa to minister the holy spirit to one man. We talked for a few minutes, and he suggested we gointo the rally to hear Oral Roberts and then meet for lunch. So that's what we did. At lunchtime Stiles came in with his wife and the pianist. I just remember thinking to myself,

'There aren't going to be any women around when I get the holy spirit.'"

Now, concerning this blizzard in Tulsa, we also know this...

"The Tulsa Tribune notes that the temperature that day was 60 degrees [Farenheit], and the overnight

low never even got down to freezing. December 1951 records in 'Climatological Data for Oklahoma'

show only 5/10 an inch of snow in Dec 8 and 6/10 inch on Dec 20. NEITHER date concurs with

Wierwille's visit, and neither records anything near a blizzard which could stop ALL BUSSES AND TRAINS.

Way Corps graduate Barries Hill later confirmed that the rally was the Divine Healing Convention,

December 11-13, 1951, sponsored by 'the Voice of Healing' magazine, and that Wierwille stayed

at the Hotel Tulsa (which was razed in 1973.) Hill notes that the weather bureau, newspapers and airport

do NOT record a snowstorm at that time. When she mentioned this to Wierwille, he dismissed these facts

by suggesting that the blizzard was "a phenomenon" or that he "spoke with angels" when he called

the airport, train station and bus station. (Wierwille conveniently blames holy angels for LYING to him

about the weather rather than admit his fabrication!)"

http://www.empirenet.com/~messiah7/quz_itulsasnow.htm

So,

we know for a fact that the blizzard itself was a complete lie, a fabrication, a falsehood,

but we're supposed to believe that the man who was caught lying about the blizzard

told the absolute truth about Stiles hearing from God that he was supposed to be in

town SPECIFICALLY to meet with the proven liar.

Having seen vpw BLATANTLY lie concerning the day and circumstances of his meeting Stiles,

we're supposed to take him at his word concerning the OTHER details of that day.

Now,

if any OTHER person was caught lying to you about an incident on the parts you could check,

would you believe them on that incident when they said things you couldn't check?

If it was ANYONE BUT VPW, you would NOT trust them like that.

(If you would-let me know; I can find some people looking for people that gullible.)

Just for the record and because I have nothing else to do today I'll point out "God told Me to tell you" is vastly different from God telling the author of the work to do something as he did in Stiles case. But of course what's a few small details to get in the way of our agenda? we will just change those.

(snip)

Apparently, we ARE supposed to accept vpw's word on something after he's been caught lying

about the exact same incident!

vpw always tells the complete truth-except where he's been undeniably caught lying.

vpw WAS, after all, caught lying about the reason he supposedly was in town,

and a blizzard grinding the city's transit to a halt.

But of course, what's a few small details to get in the way of our agenda?

We will just let vpw change those.

"A Fistful of Datas."

The holodeck program was the Western.

And I thought this was too tough.

Go, Ca!

Ok, here's one for those folks not currently teenagers... :)

"Pahhh-damuhquasi. NO, Paquamasoddy, No, no, Passamamassy, Uh, Quaddamapoddy, P-p-p-passamadaddy..."

"Drag him from the cave, show him that I'm brave!"

Shall I give it until dawn?

*snicker*

Oh, and there's no reason to leave blanks for the speakers,

just don't name them, and end quotation marks so we know when the speaker changes.

Too easy with a quote that big.

"Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory."

From the end, when Charlie's tour ends abruptly.

I remember that stuff.

I also remember having the teens pray.

We got in prayers for everyone there, our families, the teens of the area, the ministry,

and the community, in the time one of those really lengthy prayers.

I guess my modified HOSTS file is preventing me from seeing the ads. You say they're below the Greasespot Cafe logo at the top of each page?

Are you using Firefox?

When I'm using IE, I see them, but not under Firefox.

I think it's my Extensions/AddOns.

"Be specific" means it's either a sequel or a remake, or an original that's had a sequel or remake.

Some of the lines are somewhat familiar, while others are VERY familiar. So I'll go with...

The Producers non musical version, the one with Gene Wilder and whatshisname.

Correct, correct, and Zero Mostel.

"No way out.

No way out.

No way out.

No way out.

No way out."

This was Leo Bloom in shock, at the bar, once he realized the musical was a

smashing success.

"Let's assume, just for the moment, that you are a dishonest man."

"Assume away."

Very early-when Bloom explains to Bialystock how such a scheme would work.

"Ooh, I fell on my keys! "

Bloom, after Bialystock shoved him.

"About six months... but I'm on probation, so it's all good, baby!"

"No, I mean, what do you do best?"

"I can't do that here. That's why they put me away, baby! "

LSD at the audition.

"He who signs a lease must pay rent. That's the law."

"You miserable wretch! How dare you take the last penny out of a poor man's pocket?"

"I have to. I'm a landlord."

"Oh, Lord, hear my plea; destroy him! He maketh a blight on the land!"

"Don't listen to him; he's crazy. "

Bialystock and his landlord, when he's nearly penniless.

This was Mel Brooks' first movie. Bialystock was based on an actual producer-

one who conned little old ladies out of money for his show-"Cash".

Supposedly, each Mel Brooks movie has a reference to this one after-

like Blazing Saddles playing the notes from "Springtime for Hitler",

and Spaceballs mentioning Kafka (whose book "the Metamorphosis" was one of

the scripts they rejected) and "metamophosis" together.

Go, Raf!

Great Points, skyrider.

And what about aging--and the health issues that can accompany it? Retirement, limited incomes...will they be there for you when you're old? Or will they abandon you for your 'lack of believing'?

Hint, hint:

They threw out MRS WIERWILLE when that happened-

what makes you think you have more influence than her?

Showoff!

It's your turn! :)

Okay, RumRunner – yah got me thinking – I ran the benefits on the Green Card through a tweaking machine and maybe we could use them on a handout card for GSC:

Grease Spot Café

Lets you establish and maintain your own point of view

Develops more harmony with yourself

Makes the Internet meaningful

Overcomes worry and fear of how to kill time

Explains walking Bible contradictions [a.k.a. BOT]

Enables you to separate the fog years, the Patriarch years, the Rosie years

Disciplines TWIts for leaving their brains behind

Teaches how to get paid effectually [work at a job like normal folks]

Promotes prosperity and health [by an affordable menu with fresh ingredients]

I really like the idea of the other-coloured cards with "benefits" on one side.

"No way out.

No way out.

No way out.

No way out.

No way out."

"Let's assume, just for the moment, that you are a dishonest man."

"Assume away."

"Ooh, I fell on my keys! "

"About six months... but I'm on probation, so it's all good, baby!"

"No, I mean, what do you do best?"

"I can't do that here. That's why they put me away, baby! "

"He who signs a lease must pay rent. That's the law."

"You miserable wretch! How dare you take the last penny out of a poor man's pocket?"

"I have to. I'm a landlord."

"Oh, Lord, hear my plea; destroy him! He maketh a blight on the land!"

"Don't listen to him; he's crazy. "

I'm confident SOME of you saw it, and you've all heard of it.

And remember to be specific....

" A Society gentleman would only go out with you for one reason. To have a good time a few laughs and a little vo-deo-do-do."

"I dont vo-deo-do-do!"

"You vo-deo-do-do."

"I don't vo-deo-do-do."

"You vo-deo."

"Once. I was going steady a whole year."

"I am going to mold you. How does that make you feel?"

"Like old bread."

"The only kinda parties we've ever been to are bring your own!

"I like bringin' my own... then I know what I'm gettin'."

"I'm telling you, flying is safer than driving! Nobody has ever crashed into a cloud!"

"Yeah well nobody ever fell 40,000 feet from a DeSoto either."

I was thinking "as opposed to the tv show, which I know much better."

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Ok, another movie, let's see....

"No way out.

No way out.

No way out.

No way out.

No way out."

"Let's assume, just for the moment, that you are a dishonest man."

"Assume away."