WordWolf

BTW, I hate all the Macaffee/Norton/Symantic products.

So do I. Not as much as Windows applications, but I find they're both HUGE files and INTRUSIVE.

Smaller programs seem to be more useful to me.

If you need a firewall, update Windows and use the Windows firewall. Works fine for me and is easy to turn on and off.

with Windows Service Pack 2 was designed to be "better than nothing" and "better than the previous one."

It succeeds in this.

However, 1/2 a firewall's protection doesn't exist with this- there's no protection against a resident

program dialing out if it slips past your security.

So, I would download a firewall like ZoneAlarm. The basic one has never let me down, and

the pay version is even better.

If you need a virus checker, first of all run Windows Update regularly and secondly, download Windows Defender and use it. Just my 2 bits.

Running Windows Update should always be done.

This does not substitute for an antivirus, and neither does Windows Defender.

(That's more an antispyware program.)

There are at least 3 good free antivirus programs.

AVG is good, and is kind to newbies.

Avira AntiVir is better, and has a smaller "footprint" on the hard-drive.

Avast! is better still.

From what she's saying, sounds like she's also using Avira already.

Very nice summaries, there, HCW.

I'd like to note-for those arriving late to this show- that HCW spent a number of years

on-staff, and interacted face-to-face with vpw more than most of the posters here.

(Not all together- but few interacted as much or more.)

I seem to remember, or have a very strong impression, that TWI's attitude toward hospitalizations, surgery, illness changed somewhat drastically when Donna had so many problems with one of her pregnancies that she needed constant medical monitoring.

once the MOG's offspring was at issue, the Word regarding monitoring our health changed.

And the "don't go to university and get a degree" stuff all ground to a halt in time for the

bot's kids to attend college.

These are the sort of things that make you go "Hmmmmm....."

Then it's not Happy Days, either-Tom Bosley is not a Howard.

(Unless he chose the stage name "Tom Bosley",

which would run counter to this being a clue.)

If I'm not mistaken, it's NG episode "Armament of Freedom." A computerized weapon system continues to attack the Enterprise, upgrading its attack each time. Picard finally gets it to stop by offering to buy it. Geordi commands a young crew in the battle bridge, having sent the main saucer section off to get help.

George

The ARSENAL of Freedom, which was Minos' advertising name. There was a weapon in space,

menacing the Enterprise, and one on the planet, endangering the away team.

This episode featured Captain Picard endangering his life on an Away Mission,

one of the rare Saucer Separations

(Encounter at Farpoint, Best of Both Worlds II, Arsenal of Freedom and Generations

seem to have been ALL of them)

Riker's claim to serve on the Good Ship Lollipop,

and Vinny Schiavelli as the computerized salesman.

Picard figured out pretty fast that one of their clever weapons was so clever it wiped out

their civilization, but took FAR too long to figure out how to stop the weapons.

(I kept saying "I'll take it!" to the television thru much of the sales pitch in the second half.)

Go, George!

Myself,

I prefer to stick to the hypercritical Greek Texts like the Phillips and the Hershey Text,

and only rarely extend my research to the Estrasainto Aramaic Texts like the Pecrapa.

As for Donnie F being an influence on lcm, I'll take as my source lcm's own words in

"VP and Me" (which was discussed on the "vp and me in wonderland thread

as seen here: http://www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/index.ph...c=8019&st=0 )

lcm said

"The first time that LCM saw Dr. was when he was a senior at the University of Kansas.

LCM went to twig first and found the teaching to be tremendous (electrifying).

Donny Fugit taught."

As for vpw himself, I personally love the first thing out of vpw's mouth when he first

met lcm, months to a year later.

"When he was first introduced to Dr Wierwille, Dr said to him

'Hello-Well I have to go and eat this piece of cake.' "

Looking back, this was his first personal interaction with vpw.

With the cold light of day, vpw sounds incredibly shallow and secular.

This young man comes up to learn the Bible-vpw blows him off for dessert.

He didn't even invite him along-he had to "GO" and eat his cake.

Good point about Wikipedia, modishwasher. Gotta be careful what ya read.

Donnie was never in the 0 or 1st corps, he went in later, forget which. The people in the corps that were referred to earliest as "Zero" corps weren't names most would recognize. I'm still looking for that box, I think the names are in that Way Mag. Wordwolf's quote is about that gang The official/now-we-got-a-corps First Corps, the gang pictured in dmiller's photo, were (apparently) erased from the roster by dear Craig and "zeroed' out, so reported here. Figures, though and doesn't surprise me at all.

Actually, the quote was about the First Corps that was renamed the Zero Corps, and the second group was

officially called The First Corps. (Meaning 2 groups were first called that, but one was disbanded and were

stripped of their title, and the second one was allowed to finish and got the name.)

Then we got a THIRD group of people who are NOW called The First Corps.

When none of the people from "The First Corps" (the second First Corps) was still in the group,

(lcm HIMSELF was in the "Second Corps", which was the third sequence of Corps, after the 2 First Corps,)

lcm took a bunch of the long-timers still in twi and said

"these are now the First Corps."

So, the people currently being called "the First Corps" by twi were never IN the corps

and never graduated the corps,

and are now the THIRD group of people to be called "The First Corps."

So, 3 First Corps:

A) First group of Corps. vpw cut the program since they actually thought for themselves.

They were later nicknamed "the Zero Corps" since vpw took their name.

B) Second group of Corps. vpw allowed this more submissive group to finish, and gave this

second group the name "First Corps."

C) A bunch of old-timers still in. Despite never being in the Corps program, they were bunched

together and declared "the First Corps" by lcm, who made this their honorary title to

disguise the fact that all the members of the first 2 groups had all left.

(snip)

The roots and beginnings of so many things can often be attributed to many different people sometimes, that aren't in the official bio's.

Like Johnny T, Donnie, and others. When VP finally got PFAL in a decent film format, there were many people around in those first few years who formed the "corps" of people that worked with him and the Way. Some of the ideas that got off the ground came from those people. Later when the programs and format got solidified some of them got "ex-officio" statuses, which is kind of funny in way.

Like Donnie and his personal "witnessing program". Donnie took PFAL and started teaching it himself in Wichita, and only later found out he couldn't do that. :) I'm sure Evan remembers that era. Donnie was just a guy - "although just" doesn't serve his memory as well as it deserves - who loved to witness to people and tell them about Jesus Christ and the bible. That's pretty much all he did for most of his life.

His lifestyle was really the foundation of the "WOW" program, and if the program had kept to that it would have been nice in it's day and likely gone through much more natural change over time.

I think this kind of "early" involvment accounts for why people of that era didn't idolize VPW, or give the Way undue credit, in some cases anyway. Really, it could apply to people at any time - where you are doing what you're doing and you own it, live it, do it. Nobody's telling you what to do or how to do it, you're just living your life.

(snip)

Of course, then vpw made formal programs of each one, and dropped their histories and

made them all look like his idea...

What year was it when medical attention became OFFICIALLY known as "THIRD AID"

instead of FIRST aid on grounds? I know it was while vpw was still alive.

(First and Second aid would be "praying or getting someone else to pray."

THEN you could have an aspirin.)

Granted, locally, we didn't follow the rule for hq- we prayed while taking the aspirin,

but if hq had been the absolute standard in the late 80s that they were in the late 90s,

then, by golly, taking the aspirin would have been something done in secret.

Anyone else remembering criticisms of insurance?

I'm sure I'm not the only one who heard-and READ- that LIFE insurance should

be called DEATH insurance, and heard criticisms of having a policy.

Oh, and there was an interesting double-standard on the mental health professionals.

I know there was a guy who was one who was in who got a lot of respect-

he was the cover story on one of the Heart Magazines.

I don't know what they told T--- C------ in private about his field.

I DO know that even CONSIDERING going INTO the field, though, would get

you lectures from some of the Advanced class grads and so on.

"Tell me about your ship, Riker. It's the Enterprise, isn't it?"

"No, the name of my ship is the 'Lollipop'."

"I have no knowledge of that ship."

"It's just been commissioned. It's a Good Ship."

"What's the armament on the Lollipop?"

"One of the final tests in advance navigation at the Academy presents the student with three options.

When Rice took the test, he rejected all of them and offered one of his own."

"I'd call that arrogant."

"But it paid off -- he received the top mark.

And now that test has four options. The original three... plus his."

"... Where we live by the motto -- peace through superior firepower. Come -- allow us to meet your needs. If you need a little something special, be it for one target -- or multiple targets -- we got it, you'll see it..."

"The patient has lost a great deal of blood from multiple lacerations. What's your diagnosis, Doctor?"

"Your patient is going into shock."

"What do I do?"

"Elevate the legs and keep her warm."

"All right. Stay with me, Doctor. Keep talking..."

"Bridge crew - prepare to move to the Battle Bridge."

"You're going to separate?"

"Yes. I want you to take the Saucer Section and proceed immediately for Starbase One-zero-three."

This episode had a guest-star: Vincent Schiavelli.

I always find it interesting that the guilt trip, the condemnation, the viciousness regarding illness never seemed to apply to the biggies. Did anyone ask VPW "Do you understand what it is that you did that caused you to have ocular melanoma?" Somehow I kinda doubt it. In fact, as I recall, some fabrication was put out about his surgerybeing for some other reason, i.e., he burned his eyes recording PFAL and just got tired of the pain. After all, in order to have cancer, it is first necessary that one be POSSESSED with a spirit of cancer, right? Wouldn't want anyone to think that VP had a devil spirit.

Here's what I posted in the "wonderland" timeline (5.6):

=============

"vpw spent his life drinking alcoholic beverages and smoking cigarettes and cigars-

tobacco products. Although he usually did it "off-camera", many people knew some

of this. Everyone knew he at least smoked, but he seemed to chain-smoke when

"no one was watching." Furthermore, he had a "coffee cup" next to him for morning

meetings and so on-and often, the contents had nothing to do with coffee. Those who

ever commented on it (who were few enough among those who noticed) were

treated to his comments about us not being "under condemnation" and thus it wasn't

sinful, and therefore had no consequences.

However, there WERE consequences....

By 1984, the long-term exposure to alcohol-which damages internal organs, including

those that act as the body's filtration system and also damages the brain-

and long-term exposure to tobacco-which is a known cancer-causing agent

(unlike studio lights)- resulted in some permanent damage to vpw' body.

He acquired cancer of the eye and liver, and suffered a stroke.

vpw quite vocally-and often- announced that the eye damage was the result

of getting cancer from the studio lights used when filming PFAL- thus saying it was

the result of virtuous activity, and used to give the students a guilty conscience.

Once, when addressing the corps, he was speaking on personal committment to

God. He said "I gave my EYE-what are YOU willing to give?"

Further, in private, vpw was MOST disturbed that he had ANY physical problems,

especially this one. He claimed he'd never been sick or needed an aspirin EVER-

not ONE DAY in his life-before this. Not even in PRIVATE did he ever seem to admit

he'd exposed his body to carcinogens for DECADES. He had surgery that

removed the cancer-stricken eye.

The details of the stroke were COMPLETELY hidden-although there were witnesses-

and the existence of any cancer produced a problem. According to vpw's DOCTRINE,

any Christian should be able to believe sufficiently to burn out a cancer from their

body. vpw had slowly manipulated his personal image to the point that he was

frequently seen as some sort of super-Christian-which is what he wanted. However,

this meant he should have EASILY believed away his cancer.

WORSE, he'd taught in the Advanced class that, since a cancer has a life of its own

(like algae), it must be the result of devil activity. Since vpw was supposedly a

super-Christian, he should have been able to deflect such an assault easily.

However, rather than adjust his image, or correct his doctrine-which had already

hurt many other Christians-he simply hid the cause of his descent into death.

In 1985 the "Word over the World Auditorium" opened at the organizations hq on the farm.

vpw died May 20, 1985 at age 68. According to his death certificate, the cause was

cancer of the liver and of the eye. According to most people in twi at the time,

the cause was UNKNOWN. The most commonly-stated reason was

"he got tired of fighting."

In the last few months of his life, vpw visited Gartmore and spoke privately

with Chr1s Ge*r. He (CG) later claimed that his own paper which he wrote

afterwards-"the Passing of the Patriarch"-was based entirely on private

conversations with vpw. (Some people believe him, some do not.)

That paper-among other things-also claims that vpw would have been

able to "believe himself healthy" if he'd wanted to."

=========

"Ballistic:Ecks vs Sever"?

"Tell me about your ship, Riker. It's the Enterprise, isn't it?"

"No, the name of my ship is the 'Lollipop'."

"I have no knowledge of that ship."

"It's just been commissioned. It's a Good Ship."

"What's the armament on the Lollipop?"

"One of the final tests in advance navigation at the Academy presents the student with three options.

When Rice took the test, he rejected all of them and offered one of his own."

"I'd call that arrogant."

"But it paid off -- he received the top mark.

And now that test has four options. The original three... plus his."

[WordWolf in boldface.]

Topic of I Believe the Way was good(at some point)

As most of you who have read my post know. I believe that TWI at some point was good. During the time it was around I believe that VPW taught truth.

[As most of us know, you weren't around for any of that. You never met vpw and never participated

in even the most cursory twi activities. You're basing your entire "report" on what 2 people told you-

people who never were "initiated" into the highest level of twi involvement. Furthermore, no matter

how much information indicates you really DON'T know what happened, you're determined to keep

the same opinion. Honouring your father and mother is a good thing, but never going past

what they taught you is a bad thing.]

I believe LCM had some good teaching (not many)

"The Way" started off good but it spiraled out of control to where the corrupt TWI is today. Dr.Wierwille did his best and you can quote me on that.

[Most people will quote those people considered to be an AUTHORITY on a subject-

someone who has spent years in study, research and application,

or who innovated the subject.

We have many people who have far more authority on this subject than you.

As in, people who were there, eyewitnesses.]

Yes he had error, doubt, and failures (LCM) but in all of that he did the best of his ability.

[see my previous point.]

I believe the early doctrines of VPW were true.

[some of them were plagiarized or otherwise taken from skilled Christian leaders,

and some of those are quite good. Some of them were not, and some of those

are quite bad.

BTW, one of those "early doctrines" of VPW was that "Speaking in Tongues daily

is prerequisite to revelation." You've already said that was nonsense.

WHILE saying VPW's early doctrines were true.

Are you still determined to conclude you really know what happened in spite of

neither being there nor listening to anyone who WAS?]

TWI is very corrupt today I would recommend that everyone should stay away.

[twi is what it is-and that's the result of bad decisions made through its entire

history, and bad policies set in place BY vpw.]

The way I see it is that "The Way" turned to be just another church. Soon the way will teach the trinity, must be saved by baptisim, etc..

[You really see it worse that a place would teach baptism for salvation (a church)

than have the top leadership drugging and raping the congregation (twi),

don't you?]

Just like "The Sinless Universal Place of Public Worship"(The Holy Catholic Church). That is from the Webster Dictionary.

[WHICH Webster Dictionary?

I'll give you a free lesson:

the name "Webster's Dictionary" is not protected by copyright. ANYONE-including you- can write a

"Webster's Dictionary". So that's hardly authoritative. That's why people name

SPECIFIC dictionaries, and usually COLLEGIATE ones.

Personally, I'm confident even the BAD ones don't actually list

"The Sinless Universal Place of Public Worship" as a definition for

"the Holy Catholic Church". But if not, please invoke the specific one that DOES.]

So on a last note TWI and VPW in the early years taught truth to the best of there ability

[You weren't there, and you ignore the people who WERE there, so repeating your report

STILL doesn't make it any more informative, or any less your OPINION.]

God Bless

ckmkeon

Well now this post is horrible, whats next

Topic of What Happened to the word

I think we should get off the subject of what Dr.Wierwille did or LCM

[That would mean getting off this messageboard. Car messageboards discuss cars.

Ex-twi messageboards discuss what vpw and lcm did.]

but we should do as the bible says to do .

[The WHOLE Bible, or just the verses you like?]

The Bible is bigger than any one man or ministry, when we believe the bible we can do all things.

[Great slogan.

I'll pay attention right after you get a mountain to jump up and throw itself into the sea.]

We need to get the knowledge of the word believe what it has to say and leave the leaders out of it.

[That's something a lot of people here agree with, and some DO.

You're too busy calling them possessed to notice.]

I would say start in Romans and end in Thessalonians and see what we learn just from that . Then after that start a fellowship and teach what you know to everyone

[That's far too little of the Bible to work from!]

God Bless,

ckmckeon

So come on guys when I got here I really tried to be nice and loving.

[No you didn't- you came to tell us what was "true"- and that we were wrong when we

disagreed and explained why.]

I changed to defend the honor of my belief. So you really can't sell me on that I was bent on raising hell the moment I got here. Just the oppisite happened,

[That's like going on a Holocaust Survivor messageboard, announcing the concentration camps

they were rescued from NEVER EXISTED, then claiming that you

"changed to defend the honor of your belief" when they disagreed and invoked evidence.]

but of course in your twisted mind you have decided to make you own truth.

[Or in your "twisted mind" (your expression, not mine), you decided to make your own truth.]

This is the third greeting I got from GS on my post What Happened to the word

ckm, no offense intended, but "knowledge of the word" is what got everybody in trouble to start with.

"Knowledge of the word"without a relationship with Jesus causes no end of pain and heartache. I think that's why we witnessed the train wreck of the way, inc

[And that post was CORRECT. Knowledge puffs up. I Corinthians 13. It's in the Church Epistles.

Somehow you're determined to read that as some sort of attack. Well, that's your problem-

we're not shackled by that prejudice.]

By the way this is a matter of fact, proven by man for man. Till next time.

[Do you think that making these little side-notes somehow makes your posts look

more scholarly or logical? If so, it's not working. You can just skip typing them.

As dramatic flourishes, they fall flat.

If you want to persuade, you need more SUBSTANCE.

Style is not an effective replacement for substance, especially around here.]

CK

[WordWolf responds in boldface.]

Last time I checked I wasn't a teenager any more.

[My mistake. You continue to post with the distinctive style of a teenager,

which is what I used to draw a false conclusion. I shall remember for next time.]

Facts can't be changed with truth. The truth of the bible is far more important then any facts.

[That always sounds so clever and pious, so few people ever question whether

someone's playing fast and loose with the English language.

Facts ARE truths, and the distinctions between them only matter at technical levels

our discussions won't reach.

If it is true that the Bible is Truth, then that is a fact. It may not be universally-agreed-upon,

but that doesn't change a fact. It also ignores that my point was that introducing data to you

won't make any difference since your mind is already made up.]

This last part of VPW and the spirit,

[You said that you consider vpw to be some great one of God, and that you didn't think

that his having a devil-spirit would affect that in any way.

That's quite a statement.

It also disagrees with the account of King Saul in the Old Testament,

who stopped working for God and had a devil.

It most DEFINITELY matters-at least to God, if not to YOU.]

why should I care

[because GOD CARES. That's why. You're supposed to be concerned with what

GOD is concerned with.]

when each and everyone here believing the lies have a spirit also.

[ Even if it was true, it would change NOTHING about whether or not it was important

that vpw had a devil-spirit.

Meanwhile, you've already decided that everyone who disagrees with you-

no matter how good their reasons, or access to all the information you don't even know exists-

is WRONG. That's very limiting, and robs your own life of a great deal.

Further, you've decided that everyone who disagrees with you has a spirit.

See the same point.]

Here is some truth for you,

For it is written: You without sin, you cast the first stone.

[This will be very useful the next time I encounter a woman about to be stoned to death

for being caught committing adultery.

It is NOT an excuse for ignoring all the warnings all across Scripture-including the Epistles-

warning against false prophets and how to identify them.

If you skip THOSE, and ONLY read how to EXCUSE them, you don't read

"the whole Word", and if you don't, then even vpw said you don't have God's Word.]

CK

(Next quote)

I love this scene....

"What's the armament on the Lollipop?"

OM,

I don't get it?

What is your interest here on GS? I just don't get it...

It seems you want to sit back and remember the good ole'daze in TWI and/or let everyone here know that they've got it wrong and you've seen the light on the whole picture.

DUH... if you haven't figured it out by now... you're at the wrong place for that....

I think the place your looking for is : www.thewayinternational.com

Well, see,

as OM sees it, they're no longer the sweetness-and-light group that he remembers

ANYMORE. That was the case until just before he left. Until then, it was nearly perfect-

especially at the organizational level and locally where he was.

(And anyplace else doesn't count.)

Oldiesman left twi in the early 90s.

He claims his PARTICULAR twig/branch was pristine and he never had ANY of the

problems we saw. He claims the way things were in the 70s were always that way

until the day they kicked him out. He claims having his family in and all together

had no effect on any of that. He claims everything he ever got in writing represented

100% truth on matters, no matter what happened later. (Like the loy-alty letter.)

In fact, all the draconian policies-except for Oldies leaving-never happened,

no matter how many eyewitness accounts and audio clips say otherwise.

Now, then, Bowling for Soup covered an SR-71 song which I feel is relevant.

Here's the lyrics.

"Debbie just hit the wall, She never had it all

One prozac a day, Husband's a C.P.A.

Here dreams went out the door, Once she turned 24

Only been with one man. What happened to her plans?

She was gonna be an actress, She was gonna be a star

She was gonna shake that foot On the hood of Whitesnake's car

Now her SUV has become the enemy. Looks at her average life

Nothing has been alright... since

Bruce Springsteen, Madonna

Way before Nirvana there was U2

And Blondie and music still on MTV

Her 2 kids in high school

They tell her that she's uncool

Cause she's still preoccupied

With 19, 19, 1985.

She's seen all the classics at least a hundred times

Breakfast Club, Pretty in Pink, Fast Times At Ridgemont

She rocks out to Wham! Not a big Limp Bizkit fan

Never knew George was gay, Hoped they'd hook up one day

Where's her fairy tale, where's her dream? Where's the quarterback

From her high school football team?

Where's her fairy tale, where's her dream?

How many times will she ask herself What happened to me?

(the rubber broke) ... When

Bruce Springsteen, Madonna

Way before Nirvana there was U2

And Blondie and music still on MTV

Her 2 kids in high school

They tell her that she's uncool

Cause she's still preoccupied

With 19, 19, 1985.

She hates time / make it stop

When did Motley Crue become classic rock

She hates time / make it stop

Bruce Springsteen, Madonna

Way before Nirvana there was U2

And Blondie and music still on MTV

Her 2 kids in high school

They tell her that she's uncool

Cause she's still preoccupied

With 19, 19, 1985."

The relevance, I trust, is not lost on you.

Why doesn't ckmkeon go and hang out with the loosers still in TWI? Why is he here?

ckmkeon believes that-just as the GSC is deficient-

the current twi is deficient, also.

He's said that the magic was all about vpw, and when twi wandered away from

vpw, that's when twi lost it.

He was taught to be a vpw worshipper, not a twi worshipper, in short.

1969: Wierwille comes up with "Way Corps" idea. For some reason it didn't work out. The only thing that I remember seeing about it was Wierwille saying that he "gave them the privelege to leave" and that they couildn't get it together among themselves. This may be from The Way: Living in Love.

1970: Wierwille brings in another group (don't know if there was any overlap with the 1969 group), pictured above. At some point this group is called "The First Corps". The 1969 group is largely ignored, but is informally referred to as "The Zero Corps".

By the early 90's, no member of "The First Corps" (and for that matter, only Martindale from "The Second Corps") still stood with TWI. Martindale declared that some of the "pilars of the church" were to be honored by calling them "The First Corps".

Page-235, TWLiL:

""We started the first Way Corps then, the fall of 1969,

especially for that purpose, to prepare leaders. There were

nine of them-some married, some single, younger and older.

They stayed until the spring, and then

I gave them the privilege of leaving.

You see, they never got it together among themselves. They

didn't have that commitment, that discipline."

No, I'll go with my other guess... "the Omega Glory."

Yangs vs Kohms.

Is this when they went into that other planet's past? Kirk to one time, Spock and Bones to another?

quite frankly it is almost as if...well, it may be my fault if he needs a skin graft because the healing is there...it is just up to me to believe it into existence..This bothers me because they are leaving no room for reality here...and also forgetting that God is in control, not me...Now, i believe james 5:16...the effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much...so i believe in the power of prayer..but what do you say to the Godly person who prays and prays and things still dont go the way they asked? do TWI people think it is their fault?

YES.

If any misfortune befalls you, it's your fault, because your believing is supposed to act like a

forcefield and bounce all problems away from you. If one gets through, that's a lapse on your

part.

Please note they never apply this to vpw dying of cancer before reaching age 70,

which at least would be internally-consistent.

Leadership is never blamed like this. Instead, it's the result of people AROUND the

leader failing. The leader is NEVER at fault.

==========

This whole doctrine is a mainstay of the Word-Faith Movement,

as embodied by EW Kenyon and championed by preachers like Kenneth Hagin

(who plagiarizes Kenyon all the time.)

He's a teenager who was taught by his parents, who never saw vpw's bad side,

nor twi's bad side, and concluded it had none.

He was taught that, and no evidence will change his mind, so don't confuse him

with facts.

His entire impression of vpw has come second-hand from people who thought

the sun shone out of his navel.

His education-which has been short of a few things I'd have made sure he knew-

has resulted in him making statements like

"While Dr. Wierwille might have had a devil spirit I don't see why that really matters."

Raf's done some work on this subject.

The upshot of it:

The tithe is never mentioned in the New Testament.

The tithe is never mentioned as being required in the Old Testament.

As Raf himself summarized:

"According to the Bible, Abraham tithed once, and not of his income, and was called the friend of God.

Well, shucks, I tithed once too. Guess I'm covered."

You can get a PDF of Raf's work on this on the main page at

http://www.livingepistlessociety.org/

It's the first link on the left: "An Overview of the Tithe."

There's a couple of possibilities here.

I'll start with the ST:TNG episode where Data's on a settled planet

(pre-First Contact with the Federation), has amnesia,

and was sent to retrieve hazardous materials-nuclear irradiated metal,

in some sort of suitcase.