WordWolf

Even a clothing sales person will use "mind control" on you.

One thing I DO reject, however,

is the casual attempt to lessen the immoral misuse of office done in twi

by claiming that "mind control" and manipulation by leadership

is the same thing as a sales clerk in a store trying to sell you clothes.

No salesperson can invoke fear of disobeying God Almighty if you don't

buy the clothes, nor invoke a "standard" you're supposed to live up to,

nor scream at you for not buying, nor have you excommunicated from

a community ("mark and avoid") for not buying.

quote:Selective teachings were the name of the game.

Oh, the catholic church doesn't do that?

Actually, they were a LOT less selective at the last teachings in the Catholic

Church that I sat through. Then again, Mark should really be the one to address

this subject-if it's worth discussing. Naturally, that should be its OWN thread,

since THIS thread is about selective teachings IN TWI.

BTW, I'm glad you're not pretending twi didn't do selective teaching-

you skipped trying that.

Or everybody else? Even a clothing sales person will use "mind control" on you.

I accept your analogy!

A clothing salesperson's JOB is to sell clothing, which is their AGENDA.

Many are on COMMISSION, which means their UNSTATED AGENDA is to sell you

clothing whether or not you need it- to get money from YOUR POCKETS

to THEIR POCKETS.

I accept that this is akin to how twi operated.

Thanks for your assistance-I didn't have such an apt analogy handy

at the moment.

*pokes thread*

Any hope for another quote, or a clue or something?

Might as well throw in some guesses.

National Lampoon's "Vacation."

"Freaked."

I'm gonna see if Raf chimes in on this one-

he's the reason I remember the answer so vividly...

Quiet, I'm hunting wabbits

wasway's got it-it's that wascally wabbit.

The thing I love from the SECOND quote I used, when he was knighing the

Sheriff of Nottingham by hitting him in the head with his scepter at each title...

at the end, the Sheriff says, woozily, "Your majesty is too kind", as he stands unsteadily.

Bugs makes an aside to the audience.

The line: "He's got lots of stamina!"

Go, wasway!

You are too kind.

I think they'll get it now....

"I bet you know a lot of my friends...Like, uh, Duke of Ellington, Count of Basie, Earl of Hines, Cab of Calloway, Satchmo of Armstrong?"

"In the name of my most royal majesty, I knight thee.

ARISE, Sir Loin of Beef!

ARISE, Earl of Cloves!

ARISE, Duke of Brittingham!

ARISE, Baron of Munchhausen!

ARISE, Essence of Myrrh! Milk of Magnesia! Quarter of Ten!"

I use it to communnicate with people, to exchange knowledge, and to have fun.

Often, the fun is in the communication and knowledge exchange.

Dove - just an observation here - Wouldn't you agree that abusive people thrive when they have not consequences for their abusive behavior?

I seem to remember a quote:

"The only necessary for evil to exist is for good men to do nothing."

Edmund Burke.

Perhaps at first the doctrine was sound and there were a few incidences of practical error. BUT, once leaders started to cover for other leders, or fail to take action, then the doctrine changed because it was then widespread practical error.

Yes, this may be after your time - but isn't it even remotely possible that the practical error began with some who came from your time?

Just trying to see all the angles here.....

vpw himself taught this on several occasions:

"Once people begin to PRACTICE error, after a while, they make a DOCTRINE of it."

He said that practical error, if not corrected, leads to doctrinal error.

Hello.

Here's my general advice for new people.

http://www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/index.php?showtopic=7913

You may perhaps be surprised that many things you were unaware of were in

full effect during the 80s. I certainly was. However, the evidence WAS there

if I'd known where to look.

Many things have been uncovered that twi did their best to bury.

Many of us have some good memories of time in twi.

However, most of us with good memories of time in twi now have concluded that

the good times we had were paid for by horrible things done to some of our

brethren in Christ. You were scarred for life? Great-neither was I. However, that

does not excuse the crimes performed, and the harms inflicted, which were

done in the name of the good we experienced.

Also,

not everything WE saw was as WE saw it. Many things were done to control the

image of twi, and of vpw, and so on.

I'd recommend spending some time reading around here, and getting to learn

some things that are considered common knowledge around here.

Correct.

"Is that all?

If she were not dead, I would kill her myself!"

ST:TNG managed to put forth "there is no god" in one episode,

and "there is intelligent design" in THIS episode.

Neat trick, and quite clever.

Go, George!

New quote.

I bet you know a lot of my friends...Like, uh, Duke of Ellington, Count of Basie, Earl of Hines, Cab of Calloway, Satchmo of Armstrong?"

Fine.

Next quote.

"He's right. For all we know it might be a recipe for biscuits."

"Biscuits? If that is what you believe, then go back to Cardassia. I will send you my mother's recipe."

Hello.

My general advice is here:

http://www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/index.php?showtopic=7913

Enjoy your stay.

We discussed Camp Gunnison on

" Is There Still A Corps Director?"

here...

http://www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/index.php?showtopic=11984

I find it interesting VP saw children as no more than an animal - a dog.

A man who has no mercy on his beast has no heart - proverbs (paraphased becasue I don't have my bible with me).

One visit to http://www.biblegateway.com later, I found this:

(KJV) Proverbs 12:10.

"A righteous man regardeth the life of his beast: but the tender mercies of the wicked are cruel."

(NASB)

"A righteous man has regard for the life of his animal, but even the compassion of the wicked is cruel."

(NIV)

"A righteous man cares for the needs of his animal, but the kindest acts of the wicked are cruel."

(The Message)

"Good people are good to their animals; the "good-hearted" bad people kick and abuse them."

(NLT)

"The godly care for their animals, but the wicked are always cruel."

VP had no heart. Seeing people as things to be used, equating children with animals, women are only good for sex (deep misogyny) and then to be discarded after he vanquishes them and goes off on the hunt after the next conquest, what you see is a sociopathic personality.

The fact VP had no problem beating animals, advising the same for kids - shows a sick dominant will - a huge ego, that his will must be obeyed no matter what.

Nicely put.

Agreed Sunesis. Was it him or LCM in the corpes who were reported to have taught that in an invasion/end of the world situation...

That if it came down to you or your children dying, to sacrafice them because you held the word and the word must live on.

You could always make more kids later...but somebody had to be alive to teach the word....

That to me is an indication of the lack of value placed on kiddoes.... (read sick)

I know that kids were viewed as a hinderance to moving the word. They were also conduits for allowing devel spirits into a family if not carefully monitered.

If it was from EITHER, it was from BOTH.

If it was from lcm, he was taught it by vpw. He certainly didn't get it growing up as a Baptist.

And he had no imagination for himself until he ascended the throne.

If it was from vpw, then he taught it to lcm, who passed it along.

Hey, since the CORPS were DISPOSABLE to vpw-which he taught to lcm-

of course KIDS were disposable too-after all, they took work to maintain/raise.

VP gave such a demonstration to the 6th Corps. Showed how he trained his dog to obey immediately on the first command and said most people's dogs are better trained than their children. Suggested the same principles in raising kids. Tell them once and if they disobey, smack 'em with a wooden spoon.

I'll never forget the strange display down in Florida in the home of Bxx and Dxxxxx Mxxxxxxx when their limb secretary's little daughter failed to acknowledge my greeting when I said hello to her.

Literally no one was allowed to move until this child said hello to me. I had to stay there and watch while

Bxx knelt in front of this kid and smacked her bottom until she finally said hello. We were there at least 45 minutes, no exaggeration. He would tell her to say hello, she would refuse, and he would smack her. Repeated God knows how many times.

Tedious. Succeeded in getting the child to say hello, but more importantly, it did NOT change the child's attitude.

In raising children, we are after their hearts, not just the outward expressions.

Typical for TWI to have it so backward.

Treat the kid like a dog, get someone who will bite the hand that feeds it, IMHO.

Exactly what I was going to say!

A couple we knew who were WOW's in Lima, OH had problems with their child, who was later diagnosed with ADHD.

The then trunk coordinator told them: 'Use the spoon. If the spoon doesn't work, use a belt. If the belt doesn't work, use a 2 x 4!"

I wonder how he disciplined his own kids..... :unsure:

WG

I thought this would have been easy. Here's the gimme.

"I'm coming Elizabeth."

You know, you could have done another quote or 2 before the "gimme."

I suspected it might have been Sanford & Son,

but I was waiting for one more quote to make sure.

(Plus I don't like to bounce turns between just 2 people, and like to give

the others a fair shot...)

How about "Encounter at Farpoint," then. The second line could be Riker with Data in the holodeck.

George

No.

"Hailing frequencies CLOSED, sir."

"My friend Data, you see things with the wonder of a child. And that makes you more human than any of us."

"I keep thinking, how empty it will be without her presence. Did I miss the point?"

"No... no, you didn't, Data. You got it."

The Man With the Golden Gun

I'm not sure, but I do believe this is a Bond flick.

Correct!

Roger Moore as James Bond, Christopher Lee as Scaramanga (the Man with the Golden Gun.)

Herve Villechaize as Nick-Nack (who is small but never forgets.)

The giveaway was Scaramanga's choice of a duel with Bond.

Scaramanga's gun only holds one bullet, which is enough if you don't miss...

Christopher Lee said once that he was glad they expanded the part. In the book, Scaramanga's

just an assassin, but in the movie, he became a classy villain.

Go, Raf!

Next Generation, obviously.

I'm thinking "The Offspring," where Data builds a daughter.

George

Right series, wrong episode.

Something a bit earlier in the series...

Were the "edited posthumously" books published by American Christian Press? I recall seeing Take God at His Word and Living Victoriously in my former HFC's house several years ago. They had the familiar two-tone color scheme and in all other manneer looked like another of the "collaterals". But I didn't check to see who published them.

If so, what other books were published by Geer?

On a different note what was that book that Walter Cummins wrote? And were John Lynn's books American Christian Press?

The "edited posthumously" books were published by European Christian Press.

(This of course was based on twi's "American" Christian Press,

which in turn copied Leonard's CANADIAN CHRISTIAN PRESS. )

That included "Living Victoriously", "Our Times", "Take God At His Word" and "Turn Your Eyes Upon Jesus."

Walter's book under the ACP was "Demonstrating God's Power: Studies in Biblical Accuracy Volume 1."

I'm pretty sure JAL's 3 books were also ACP: "Will the Real You Please Stand Up?" "Will the Real You

Please Remain Standing?" and "Living in the Eye of the Storm."

Due to the editing standards of the time, the first of those 3 books had such memorable lines as

"life is fear in the sand of machinery", and "fear is life in the machinery of sand."

needles and pins did it-

The Honeymooners

Correct!

That was Ralph's mantra for not losing his temper that one episode.

The soliloquy was from the Christmas episode-I'm surprised people didn't recognize it.

Ed excuses himself when Ralph's expecting Alice back in the "Blabbermouth" episode

with his comment about a man wanting to be alone.

Ralph referenced Bellevue Hosp's famous psychiatric ward a few times.

This one was after watching Norton, dressed as Pierre Francois de la Brioski,

attempt to inhale snuff (and sneeze his wig clean off.)

Go, hiway!

Always remember that the minimum requirements are usually on the low end of performance,

and if it says "recommended", THAT's the number you should be exceeding....

"You know something, sweetheart? Christmas is... well, it's about the best time of the whole year. When you walk down the streets, even for weeks before Christmas comes, and there's lights hanging up, green ones and red ones, sometimes there's snow and everyone's hustling some place. But they don't hustle around Christmas-time like they usually do. You know, they're a little more friendlier... they bump into you, they laugh and they say, "Pardon me. Merry Christmas"... especially when it gets real close to Christmas night. Everybody's walking home, you can hardly hear a sound. Bells are ringin', kids are singing, the snow is coming down. And boy what a pleasure it is to think that you've got some place to go to. And that the place that you're going to, there's somebody in it that you really love. Some one you're nuts about. Merry Christmas."

"Bellevue is calling!"

"Pins and needles, needles and pins, it's a happy man that grins."

" In the words of the immortal bard, Shakespeare, "There are three times in a man's life when he wants to be alone: one, when he's communing with his thoughts; two, when he's being tender with his wife; and three, when he's in the isolation booth on 'The $64,000 Question'."

"How will I recognize him?"

"Tall, slim, and dark."

"So is my aunt. Anything distinctive about him?"

"You get as much pleasure out of killing as I do, so why don't you admit it?"

"I admit killing you would be a pleasure."

"Who'd want to put a contract on me?"

"Jealous husbands! Outraged chefs! Humiliated tailors! The list is endless!"

"A gun and a bag of peanuts, how original. What will they think of next?"

"I may be small but I never forget!"

"Pistols at dawn; it's a little old-fashioned, isn't it?"

"That it is. But it remains the only true test for gentlemen."

"On that score, I doubt you qualify. However, I accept."

"One bullet against my six?"

"I only need one"