WordWolf

Irish, there's a 1985 cut-off due to the advanced age of most of the posters here. Please keep the songs pre- 86

That's not a RULE, but a general "rule-of-thumb" I came up with for myself.

Seems most times I post something after 1986, I can post the whole song and nobody

gets it. Around Halloween was the last time I tried to disregard my personal "rule",

and we had about a week where I was posting songs nobody'd heard of.

If you google "[name of show]" and "quotes," you'll get a number of hits that you can use: IMDb, TV.com, maybe Wikipedia, and fan sites for the show in question. That should hopefully give you enough quotes. (TV.com often has quotes for individual episodes.)

Give it a try!

George

Between the IMDb listing and a Wikiquote page, I can usually find a lot of quotes,

at least for more recent shows.

Was it "Phat Girls?"

I know you.

I thought you were gone!

Were you expecting some sort of guilt feeling to arise within our hearts? Or was it fear you were searching for, aiming at, trying to stir up within others here?

This is the worldwide web.

Think about it.

Let's see...could it be that anyone could read about our experiences and we know that and that's why we tell, tell, tell???

What was that poem about the bridge? It fits here nicely, imo.

The Bridge Builder

Author: Will Allen Dromgoole

An old man, going a lone highway,

Came, at the evening, cold and gray,

To a chasm, vast, and deep, and wide,

Through which was flowing a sullen tide.

The old man crossed in the twilight dim;

The sullen stream had no fears for him;

But he turned, when safe on the other side,

And built a bridge to span the tide.

"Old man," said a fellow pilgrim, near,

"You are wasting strength with building here;

Your journey will end with the ending day;

You never again must pass this way;

You have crossed the chasm, deep and wide-

Why build you a bridge at the eventide?"

The builder lifted his old gray head:

"Good friend, in the path I have come," he said,

"There followeth after me today,

A youth, whose feet must pass this way.

This chasm, that has been naught to me,

To that fair-haired youth may a pitfall be.

He, too, must cross in the twilight dim;

Good friend, I am building the bridge for him."

Hello!

I don't have all the answers, but I have a few, and I thought your post deserved some

replies. So, forgive me if this doesn't seem to have helped.

I grew up in TWI until I was about 16 or so. I have no idea why my family left or was forced out, I don't even know which.

For a lot of people, it's not clear if they left or were forced out...

We went WOW to Abilene, TX twice (home WOW? something like that) in the early 80's. I was going through an old jewelry box the other day looking for earrings for my daughter and came across my mini-WOW pin. Talk about a blast from the past. From there, we went to Lake Charles, LA. I remember taking a Grayhound bus by myself at 13 from there to NK for Teen Summer School. I have the group picture somewhere. I really enjoyed parts of TSS, especially the greased pig contest and the concerts, and picking fresh cherries off the trees by the dorms. But that summer was where my comfort level in TWI really went south. I had a 'boyfriend' there, and the adults encouraged me to sleep with him in his sleeping bag. He was the son of some fairly high-ups, and really intimidating. It was difficult not to go along with everything he wanted me to do, and some of it I only got out of because I had my period.

those with connections. If you were an insider, others covered your mistakes

and so on.

Most of us here were never in that inner cadre...

I also remember being sent into a dark closet to SIT continuously until I could be heard clearly from outside the closet because I was too timid and not filled with the Spirit. I learned very quickly to make up a few SIT's and Prophecies and committed them to memory so I could fool them into thinking I finally figured it out so they wouldn't send me to the closet again. I sat through PFAL so many times in my youth that I still know the song word for word, and could probably teach the darn class myself now if I hadn't burned my syllabus. Same with the advanced class.

twi was a good place to learn to fake godly phenomena, depending on where you were.

Here's a question I have long wondered, that maybe someone here can answer. I was just a kid, so I really don't know. Did TWI encourage homosexuality or pedophelia? I remember one adult woman who always wanted to hold my hand and kiss me while we were walking around at ROA. I never remember anyone telling her to leave me alone, or chastising her for behavior, but rather telling her what a sweet friend she is to take such good care of me. She'd always go with me to the showers. It always felt so freakin creepy.

Under lcm, that turned into "you will be ridiculed and belittled if you're even SUSPECTED

to be gay", and a new label to slap on dissenters was invented -"homo sympathizer"-

invented or promulgated by lcm himself.

Unofficially, if you had connections, everyone looked the other way if you were gay,

same as all the other stuff that OFFICIALLY was disapproved-like adultery and so on.

At least one poster has claimed to have caught twi's current president in bed with

someone of the same sex "while the crime was blazing", so to speak.

And that stupid armband, what was that about? I remember white, yellow, and blue, different years. It was always so hot at ROA, and that band was itchy.

I'm now a fairly well-adjusted adult, almost 36, very happily married, three kidlets ages 15, 12, and 3. We're in southeast Arkansas and sometimes attending a Baptist church. I look forward to getting to know y'all!

As someone stated, the armbands were used at the ROA for id.

When I was in, blue was pfal grads, red was outgoing wows, yellow was "haven't taken pfal",

and white was "I turned my armband inside out to confuse people."

Hope you enjoy your stay here.

WOW! It really got THAT hokey?

Yup.

That was in the 90s, under the lcm regime. vpw made lcm twofold the child of hell

that he himself was, remember.

lcm made his own foundational class, etc. When each class was finished, the students

were ASSIGNED to write letters about how great it was, using specifics.

Those were then used at hq to legitimize the class, as if they were unsolicited testimonials.

In short, it DID get that hokey.

Oh, and please pass the link along to someone...

http://www.freerice.com/

Play a game, and people get fed.

The advertisers pay for the food.

On your end, it's that simple.

Snopes vetted this one: http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/charity/freerice.asp

"He could never sneak up on me. Father would tell me."

WELL I SNUCK UP ON HIM. Well I caught him with just his fruit of the lums. There was a meeting at the University of Houston back in 76/77. Someone told me to go out to the buss and get some boxes of material. I go bounding into the buss and there is the good old Doc in his skiveess. Shouldn't he have known I was coming. That is the only time I had a one on one meeting with him. I can still remember the look he gave me. Just ask me what I was doing and let me get the box and leave. No face melt or anything.

Then again,

if my front door was open and anyone COULD walk in,

I wouldn't be in my skivvies.

I don't need Father to tell me that wasn't prudent.

If you think it's fine for a church leader to show a pornographic scene from a pornographic movie to people in a leadership-training program,

you might be in a cult.

If you think it's fine for a church leader to show a pornographic scene from a pornographic movie to people in a class on Christian families,

you might be in a cult.

If you think it's worthwhile for a church leader to put together a class on "sex" for his congregation, and include stills from

pornographic movies and descriptions of bestiality,

you might be in a cult.

If you think it's fine for a church leader to own a pornographic pen and show it to youngsters he's teaching,

you might be in a cult.

If you think it's fine for a church leader to be married and come on to other women,

you might be in a cult.

If you hear that a church leader came on to other women, and you're primary response was

"he was trying to toughen them up spiritually",

you might be in a cult.

why yes, i believe i helped p.bear, with my abundant sharing....

I believe we all did- we paid for its upkeep, maintenance, equipment, etc.

not to mention all the people who worked there for free-

no, wait-they PAID to work there!

I think if you're going to determine whether Jesus had brothers & sisters or whether or not Mary remained a virgin you have to go with the only source that addresses these issues: the bible. What we think is common sense is not necessarily what the writers of the bible thought.

Matthew 13:55-57 (New American Standard Bible)

55"Is not this the carpenter's son? Is not His mother called Mary, and His brothers, James and Joseph and Simon and Judas?

56"And His sisters, are they not all with us? Where then did this man get all these things?"

Mark 6:2-3 (New American Standard Bible)

2When the Sabbath came, He began to teach in the synagogue; and the many listeners were astonished, saying, "Where did this man get these things, and what is this wisdom given to Him, and such miracles as these performed by His hands?

3"Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, and brother of James and Joses and Judas and Simon? Are not His sisters here with us?" And they took offense at Him.

Do I think Mary and Joseph had kids together? Sure. I'm pretty confident about that.

Do I think they were considered Jesus' brothers and sisters? I'm pretty confidant about that, too.

Some people don't count ADOPTED children as "really" children, but-unless one is talking about genetics

and inherited genes-I beg to differ. And that's with NO parents in common.

Some people disagree. Good for them.

Titanic

CORRECT!

Which makes it your turn.

Here's where the quotes fit.

"Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death..."

"You want to walk a little faster through that valley there?"

Jack to someone 1/2 blocking his path, as the ship was sinking.

"What's the use? Nobody's listening to us anyway."

"Well, they didn't listen to us at dinner either."

The musicians, trying to play to lower panic during the evacuation.

"Gentlemen, it has been a privilege playing with you tonight."

The last line of one of the musicians, as they finish playing.

"I make my own luck."

"So do I."

Probably the line that gave Ca the answer.

Rose's fiancee and that detective-guy, as one has a gun in his pocket,

the other the diamond.

"Everything he knows is wrong."

Decades later, commenting on what the captain "knows"- he's presuming the ship can

steer and corner enough to dodge anything it sees-

so he has it go full speed into water known to have icebergs,

but the ship's rudder is too small, and the ship masses to much,

to make sharp turns like he's expecting.

"Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death..."

"You want to walk a little faster through that valley there?"

"What's the use? Nobody's listening to us anyway."

"Well, they didn't listen to us at dinner either."

"Gentlemen, it has been a privilege playing with you tonight."

"I make my own luck."

"So do I."

"Everything he knows is wrong."

The routines I've liked best were the hat routine, mentioned above,

the routine where Lou supposedly has no idea how to gamble with dice,

and the audition where Lou sang "My Bonnie Lies Over the Ocean"....

Is there anyone who doesn't like their most famous "Who's on First?"

http://www.angelfire.com/movies/budandlou/Dice.txt

That's the text for the dice-game, when Bud was supposed to hustle Lou, and Lou was supposed

to be the pigeon being hustled.

The audition is mostly visual, and you'd miss too much.

"Maverick"?

George

No, and I'm glad I did this one. then. I thought it was too easy.

(I actually could have gotten it from quote 2 or 3, but then, I'm eccentric...)

I know this is a DS9 episode-I recognize the Tennyson reference, but I don't remember the episode yet...

"Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death..."

"You want to walk a little faster through that valley there?"

"What's the use? Nobody's listening to us anyway."

"Well, they don't listen to us at dinner either."

"Gentlemen, it has been a privilege playing with you tonight."

http://www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/index.ph...st&p=382112

"There I was.....

Sitting in the BRC (in 1980?) during one of those corps-sharing times......only THIS time, vpw had five or six corps up front who had returned from The Tracker School. After plenty of preliminary stuff.....ie the inrez corps guy led off with his spiel for about 10 minutes, letting wierwille sit back until the meeting got going.....then wierwille starts. He talks about the importance of learning, learning from anyone who is an expert in their field and all that. Thus, he felt it was important for these corps to attend The Tracker School.

Well......all was fine as the corps shared some of the neat things they had learned.....UNTIL one LEAD-type corps guy shared how this Tracker Guy was amazing!! In fact, his perception and awareness of his surroundings, and life itself, was truly jaw-dropping. This Tracker Guy was unbelievable.....etc. SUDDENLY.....wierwille lashes into this corps guy with a vicious venom that I'd never seen before. Wierwille was livid.......and all of us in the BRC were stunned by his outlandish outbursts!!!

As this venom escalated, wierwille glared at this corps guy and said that he was POZZEZZED......yep, he has spirits in his braincells. The corps guy stood his ground. It seemed like everyone in the BRC had stopped breathing. You could cut the tension in the room with a knife. In public view, wierwille was on the spot.....and this corps guy didn't seem to flinch. What was wierwille to do???? Yell some more......visibly fume.....and stomp out.

You tell me what you think about wierwille.....and I'll tell you ANOTHER side of the man."

http://www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/index.ph...st&p=382113

"At a similiar type of sharing at Emporia, one gal was sharing on "the Tracker guy" and how sharp he was. She said something to the effect that he knew how to sneak up on someone. Vp was at lunch that day and all of a sudden we heard him come over a separate mike,

"He could never sneak up on me. Father would tell me." The woman just shut up and looked embarassed. The reason for her sharing had just been taken away from her.

Not the same kind of face-melting, but still quite embarassing.

It didn't matter what he was promoting because ultimately vp was always promoting himself."

http://www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/index.ph...st&p=382848

""The Tracker" is Tom Brown, Jr. HERE'S a link to his school.

You can probably find a copy of his autobiography The Tracker around somewhere... it's a great read and has a lot of valuable information for living life."

http://www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/index.ph...st&p=383024

"in the late 70's he was just beginning to be talked about... there's a lot of great knowledge and wisdom in the first two books The Tracker and the second one (although I don't remember the name)... he's also written a number of field/survival guides..."

http://www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/index.ph...st&p=383044

"Outfield, As far as I know, only a few folks got sent to the Tracker School. The people I know that got sent there ended up being on staff at LEAD.

We all know how well that worked out...."

http://www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/index.ph...st&p=383060

"I'd suppose vp looked to add something "cool" in the corps program, but it had to be in light of him being the great master of all. The concept of bringing in experts on various subjects to teach for a few days is interesting, but vp couldn't be outdone ... so he had to claim MOGFOT status over any threat.

The guy that did the astronomy work on JC Our Promised Seed ran into conflicts somewhere ... he obviously knew a ton more than VP, but something had to be VP's way, I forget now. It seems that was a big issue, but somehow twi claimed ownership and published the book, with VP's name on it..

I'm sure many good innovative people and ideas were stomped out because they conflicted with these top dog egos."

http://www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/index.ph...st&p=383067

"To claim cult status you have to have the mog in front.

Tom Brown came to HQ to run his school in Dec. of 80.

A few had gone to New J to take it before he came.

VP was at HQ at that time for a few days because it was during the

time the Christmas party was there.

It was a fun school. I was raised a very much out door kind of guy and

still love it to this day.

VP could go off at anything that took away from he being the head.

I guess JC had a time making his way in our lives.

VP would of and did knock him out of the lime light putting himself

and the word before him."

http://www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/index.ph...st&p=383415

"Oh,yes, the tracker guy-

In 91, I took a survival class at Rome City, the guy that came was trained by Mr.Brown, he promoted his book as well.Brown has schools in 3 cities. I also remember them saying if the President ever got lost in the mountains that Mr.Brown would be sent to find him cause of his abilities to survive in the wild..."

http://www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/index.ph...st&p=383525

"My hubby was charged with taking care of Tom Brown and his staff during this HQ tracker school. He observed "up close and personally" how VP reacted to having Tom Brown around.) He said VP was extremely jealous of Tom Brown. At the first dinner meal for the school which was served in the OSC, Tom Brown and his staff went and served themselves as soon as the food was set out (of course not knowing anything about HQ protocol.) VP was livid that he got his food before the MOG got his. VP reamed Tom Brown, "You think you're the Tracker, but you're nothing....", cursing at him and tearing into him. This was the 1st night of the school. Tom Brown's staff wanted him to leave after this, but TB was gracious enough to stay.

Another time during that school Tom Brown, who was a chain-smoker, lit a cigarette up in the BRC, while he was teaching his class. VP was so put out with TB because he was the only one allowed to smoke in the BRC.

They also hated the food at HQ and they were very grateful to hubby for making a "McDonald's run" for them."

http://www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/index.ph...st&p=383721

"Vic loved to find "experts" in worldly fields and laud them to the sky, because he would follow that by saying that WE could do better because we had holy spirit and the rightly-divided Word of God, as given to us by the MOG and TWI. The whole thing was always intended to make Vic look better, not the 'worldly' expert!! That's why he would just go off the deep end when someone got a little too impressed with the guest."

http://www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/index.ph...st&p=120438

"When I was on staff at HQ, Joe C. informed me that I'd be running video during the tues night corps meeting. I objected, reminding him that I wasn't corps (I'd gotten that smart already). He said it was all cleared with the leadership and I would do it.

Well anyway, things were going just fine, VPW was leading the meeting and soon after it started, he asked a guy to stand and give a report on a class he had attended. The class was run by non-twi people and it was about tracking. Tracking as in following animal tracks.

The guy gave a very nice talk on what he had learned. He liked the class a lot and was highly favorable of it. Then he made the mistake of saying it was more valuable to him than Lead. VPW went ballistic. He ripped into the guy for a good 5 minutes. Said he had a prideful spirit, said he didn't deserve to be corps, etc, etc... I think VPW ended it by ordering the guy out of the BRC and out of the corps.

I had never heard such an attack on another person in my whole life. Not at home, not in school, not in the Army, not in the workplace.

At that moment, I realized that I was in a cult run by a sick man. It was a couple of years before I got out, but nonetheless that moment was a crystalizing point in time."

http://www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/index.ph...st&p=120472

"I was there too.

Wierwille went ballistic......because many of the corps seated up front with vpw were LEAD staff and had specifically gone to this tracker school to learn some things. All was fine until Dxvid Dxwxxd said that this tracker guy's class was better than LEAD.

Yes, wierwille had a ....y fit, yelling and pointing and stomping back and forth, and glaring at David......said he was possessed!!! Another stunning memory that one doesn't tell wierwille that SOMEONE ELSE'S CLASS is better than veepee corps stuff!!!

David wasn't possessed........sheeeesh. This 8th corps guy loved the outdoors, he built his own cabin, he was well equipped in all types of outdoor situations.....and is now a successful businessman.

If anyone was possessed in that meeting.....wierwille got my vote."

http://www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/index.ph...st&p=120497

"I knew he wasn't possessed. And I would hope that most of the people there knew that he wasn't possessed. That was part of the insanity of the whole thing. David had a great time at the class. It suited him better than Lead and he made the mistake of being truthful about it. And then, in an instant, the wrath of VPW strikes him like a bolt of lightning."

http://www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/index.ph...st&p=120499

"David did NOTHING to warrant such ripping, scathing, verbal abuse that night. NOTHING! Wierwille just didn't want to hear it.

As best I remember, the book The Tracker was written by Tom Brown....and later, he took enterprising steps towards seminars for those who wanted to learn foundational and advanced techniques in tracking. This tracker book was suggested reading for corps.

Maybe wierwille had visions of running his own "advanced tracking seminar".... until David endorsed Tom Brown's."

http://www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/index.ph...ost&p=25534

"The Tom Brown "Tracker" thing came along right around 79/80. He taught a class at HQ once, and as I heard from a good friend of mine who was in it, albeit extremely skilled in woodcraft,he was a bit of a shyster as well.

He started out his class in the BRC saying to the poeple present, and this is a paraphrase; "How many of you saw the twenty sevrn edible plants out in the lawn out front here? How many of you know that four doe deer and two bucks crossed the lawn out front between 0430 qnd 0745? None of you? Well, that's because you haven't learned to pay attention!"

After the moring session, Dr. Wierwille reportedly took him outside and said to him; "Show me all of the edible plants, and all of the deer sign". And reportedly, the guy answered that he couldn't and then Dr. Wierwille told him; "Don't .... my people. Now from now on, teach 'em straight"...

But I did read his two books, The Tracker and the Search which were excellent, and I thought it good that the guy shared his info with Wayfers. I mean, I like outdoors stuff, and alot does go on around us in the natural world that we just don't see because "we don't think to look"...."

http://www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/index.ph...ost&p=25572

"No hey, Igotout, I still think that Tom Brown was/is rather extraordinary! And I am sure that with his acuired skills that had (among other things) a lot to do with not running his mouth and paying attention to his surroundings, that it might have been tempting for him to get a bit cynical with folks of lesser skills, and therefore stretch things sometimes. I mean, I don't think he was a complete phony or anything.

But the guy who told me of this, S.A., one of the original LEAD guys, and really a reputable person to this day (no longer "in"), and he said that Tom Brown was a tad bit full of himself by the time he got around doing seminars and such, at least when he did the one for Way folks. My friend did say that the guy was way way knowledgeable in the skills of woodcraft, tracking and all of that, and that it was well worth sitting through his class.

And yes, one morning, I saw an eight point buck deer right inside the BRC, camouflaged behind the coat rack that was filled up with cammo MAL coats. Someone had actually hung their coat on one of his antlers. Hmmph. Showed how spiritually sharp THEY were. I went over to it. It was eating from a bowl of twenty seven edible herbs that I had picked while on bless patrol that morning and had stashed under the coat racks. I took out my MAL knife, whispered a little prayer into it's ear, and then took him out side and then sliced his throat. Then me and Tom Brown butchered him up and there was venison for all!

No, I never saw any deer on grounds, but I did help Don Wierwille buthcher a buck that he shot somewhere south of HQ along the Miami River. There was a guy named Dean Tallarida who was a Union Butcher from Philadelphia, and he gave us a demonstration on how to butcher meat. He said that he'd never butchered a deer before, but it was all about the same as beef, and was therefore very interesting to him. It was really interesting to me too. So really, I didn't actually help, I got to watch, and then help wrap and label the cuts."

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"I recall an occasion when veepee was sitting with the 10th corps while others were discussing how great this "Tracker" guy, Tom Brown was. Some 8th corps had just returned from the "Tracker school" and were sharing about what a sharp guy Brown was in so many ways, etc, etc. Everybody was obviously impressed and the focus was on a story being told about how Brown snuck up on a deer or something, when all of a sudden Veepee leaps to his feet and shouts angrily, "DO YOU THINK HE COULD SNEAK UP ON ME?"...Suddenly the attention was back on wierwille, where he wanted it to be. He went on with some blather about how acute his spiritual senses were. Everybody ooohed and ahhhed and things were right again in wayworld. Scheeesh!"

I hope I don't need an invite to answer this one.

It's "Wedding Crashers." That one was even in the commercials.

Abbott and Costello was always a favorite of mine along with Laurel and Hardy.

But poor Lou Costello was always the fall guy for the jokes as was Stan Laurel.

I'll have you know that Bud Abbott was the more in-demand comedian of the two-

because STRAIGHT MEN are needed to play off of- and were more in demand when

supply was up for jokesters. Lou Costello was the "funny" one, and needed him

for a contrast.

IMHO, Oliver Hardy was the "fall guy" for the jokes- Stan was good-hearted and

anything that happened, happened to Hardy, BECAUSE Stan was so honest.

Thus the expression "This is ANOTHER fine mess you've gotten me into."

Besides, they were actors. You think Lou Costello minded earning his living like that?

Bob Denver didn't mind it-and Lou Costello made a lot more money for his time

than Bob Denver ("Gilligan".)

I'll bet the phrase has a historical root. Buying a farm would normally be a pleasant experience if you're into farming, (and why else would you buy one)-unless the seller was trying to deceive you about the value of the package (like it's built on a toxic landfill or something-hmmm).

I didn't buy the farm, but I bought a lot of produce from it- some of which was good, much of it made me sick.

~Cinder

The phrase "bought the farm" and "became a landowner" were World War I slang for

"he inhabited a cemetary plot".

http://www.snopes.com/language/phrases.farm.asp

In the context of twi,

our tithes and ABS paid for the farms,

so you could say we ALL bought the farm.

We just didn't get a receipt.

As always, I listened to it.

Actually, this is the first year I listened to the original,

AND listened to the updated one from 20 years later,

which is downloadable for free on Arlo's website, http://www.arlo.net

from http://www.arlo.net/massacree/

I think the MP3 version may be down, but the Real downloaded just fine.

(Part 2 is the actual "Alice's Restaurant" redo for the 20th Anniversary.)

There's also a tribute page to Officer Obie. :)