WordWolf

Please forgive me, I HAVE to put in some spaces or I'll be unable to read this. (And some punctuation.) ============== rickyg: I have no idea what the new department is working on now, so I have to plead ignorance. Again- I am have just returned to fellowhip, since my parents chose to leave in the late 90's. I did take Martindale's class in and I did enjoy some of it very much. Other parts I found harsh or hard to swallow. Like I had said before, I'm a college student and I cannot put myself into the shoes of others whose experiences with TWI have been different. And I will never try to downplay others experiences. All I can tell is what I know and what I am experiencing. I am happy to say that-since my return- all my experiences have been great. And yes, my FC knows that I do log on here and have posted. This is only my 11 post yet I have spent many a night surfing the memories of others. When I told him he didn't seem to care. I asked, "Don't you think I will go online and tell everybody what is going on in the ministry?" He responded, "What in the world would you have to tell them? That we're running a successful college fellowship, and presenting the Word to those who want it?" If anything else was going on I would be more than happy to share it, and the first time I encounter something that leaves a bad taste in my mouth. you better believe that I will let you know. I was never pressured into retaking the class at all. I was actually a little suprised I am allowed to take it, being that I only recently came back and that they do know that I have been in the cafe. I was suprised, because their acceptance didn't seem to fit with the stuff I read about. Or maybe I am just working with some really loving people. I don't know and again I don't want to downplay others' experiences. I would really like to know what type of research is being done too. I am a classics major majoring in Greek and I think I might study some materials to learn how to really work the Word. Does anybody have any suggestions on how to really start? (Beyond the biblical truths you must adhere to) haha. But That leads me to another topic. Does anybody really need to have a PHD in theology or a MDiv to work the Word? No, I dont think that you do. You just have to have good teachers and a desire to get to the truth rather than making the Word fit an already preconceived theology. That is where researchs went wrong in the past (people using the allegorical method to make the Word fit the church.) Any suggestions? And I will let you know any developments. Rick"

It wasn't a serious question. The ":)" was because I was being cheeky.

Not lately. His current readership rating's plummeted. He USED to get a lot of strangers wandering in to look at the sideshow/ ten-in-one, but not lately. And, apparently, he just illustrated again why someone with at least an 8th grade reading level-or better- needs to give him a few tips. I mean, he was unable to understand even a SHORT, STRAIGHTFORWARD post without missing 1/2 the content...

No. This movie will never be formatted on Beta. Or VHS, I expect.

I agree with you. Seems we meant 2 different things by "freedom of speech" forum. BTW, if that's what you think, what are you doing on this thread? :)

Will someone with at least an 8th grade education explain to Mike the reason Mike's not getting blind obedience in his homework, nor cooperation in his endless riddles? Will they please follow up by reminding him of the much faster, more efficient method he could use, which would actually increase the chances someone might be reading his posts?

So, then, I ask you plainly: Do you believe posters with contrary opinions are allowed to post at the GSC?

Mark, You're confusing the Research Dept they had at ONE time- that DID go and get training in Koine Greek and Aramaic and so on, and were chased off between 1985 and 1990- and the staff they have NOW- who have NO formal training in either, or ANY academic discipline related to Bible research? They're in a fix on that, too. If they wanted to GET people some, A) It would take at least 5 years to raise up an initial crop of researchers B) They'd need a candidate group smart enough to keep up with the work of being trained at formal universities C) If they FOUND smart people and exposed them to outside ideas for that long, they'd wake up and leave! So, twi doesn't HAVE trained researchers at this time. Those they ONCE had were driven off. Those they might train up are unable to keep up, and twi is unable to expose them to free ideas or they'd lose the trainees. :)

Oakspear said Oldiesman replied And YOU'RE forgetting the things ALL groups should have in common. twi was supposedly a group that held for the accuracy of God's Word. (This was the stated goal, and most of us agree it was hardly the main purpose as the Powers-That-Be saw it.) IF there is a supposed search for excellence and truth, there is SUPPOSED to be a dialogue process, as all people (or most) are involved in an exchange of ideas as people seek to make what was good, better. (Many of us hit a brick wall when we tried to dialogue on those processes, MANY OF US.) Many people HOLDING THE STATED BELIEF OF TWI were MUZZLED in discussion. They were not ALLOWED to attempt to make improvements. So, it wasn't a matter of "if you don't beliefe the core tenet, leave". It was a matter of "if you don't accept EVERYTHING without question, leave- but know that if you do, your family is under a death sentence because God will turn His back on you and the devil will send his hit-squads to wipe them out, starting with your children." No, it's not an exaggeration, some were asked OUTRIGHT "Which of your children do you want to die because you're leaving?" So, you're misrepresenting life in twi at the moment. How bizarre. ==== Further, you're misrepresenting the GSC. This is a board that allows considerable latitude for freedom of expression, whose stated purpose-it HAS a stated purpose- is to present the OTHER SIDE of the story- the information twi ruthlessly suppressed and continues to attempt. It's not a "free-speech" forum. You can find those online if you want.

"I just can't see no humour About your way of life I think I can do more for you With this here fork and knife" "Believe in all the good things That money just can't buy, Then you won't get no bellyache From eatin' humble pie. I believe in rags to riches- Your inheritance won't last. So take your Gray Poupon my friend And shove it up your @$$!"

"Is this how you want to be remembered?" "I don't want to be remembered at all. That means I'm dead." "There are two types of tragedies in life: One is not getting what you want, the other is getting it." This one MAY help. At least, for me, this would give it away.... "Thank you, but I prefer it my way." If you can recall the context of that line, you've got the movie. :) "I would tell you to go to hell, but I think you're already there." "Some of the most successful relationships are based on lies and deceit. Since that's where they usually end up anyway, it's a logical place to start." I haven't posted the best quotes from this movie, which is a movie loaded with great quotes. Part of the reason is its narrated in the first-person.

You also couldn't name the musicians for "Pac-Man" on sight, nor would you consider them a cool band. THIS band, on the other hand, you might consider a big one.

I'd say late 80s-early 90s. If you liked video arcade games, you might be able to hum the song all the way through.

In the interests of putting this all together in as easy-to-find a package as possible, I'm adding some quotes here. These are from the thread "Outreach beyond vpw's congregation..." by skyrider. It's got quotes from Mrs W's book "Born Again to Serve", and that book offers a THIRD view of events we're looking at here. Thus, it will help us form a complete picture of vpw and his group's early years. ========== pg-36-37. "After our move into the new parsonage, Rev Wierwille found a room a block away from the church, formerly a dentist's office, which he rented and made into his office/study. Not a particularly patient young minister, he got pretty discouraged by not knowing how to handle various challenges within the congregation. At one time he told me that he was ready to quit the ministry if he didn't learn how to handle these seemingly helpless situations. Something seemed to be lacking in answer to prayers." "I'd had the best education money could buy; but with all that I knew, I just could not help people. I was discouraged the first year in the ministry, 1941-42. I thought, 'Had my dad spent all that money to educate a fool?' I prayed a great deal about it. Even then I was discouraged with my life. The principles of the ministry bothered me. The shallowness bothered me." "The annual Paulding County Sunday School Convention was held Friday evening, September 5, and Sunday afternoon and evening, September 7, 1941, at our church in Payne. These three meetings were set 'to worship, receive inspiration for daily living, and acquire information about the unique place religious education holds in the proper training for your son or daughter and its importance for your own spiritual growth." "At this same time Rev Wierwille introduced a Bible study and teacher-training course which he taught. The purpose was to 'bring to hand every element required to build up knowledge, acquaint you with methods, and supply inspiration for dealing with the problems that confront teachers and workers." "Rev Wierwille's outreach beyond the congregation then began on July 23, 1942, with a column called 'Religion in the Weekly' in the local weekly newspaper, The Payne Reflector. He wrote, 'The aim in this is a column written for your enjoyment, edification and growth in matters pertaining to the spiritual adancement of your personality.' He expected to see some results, so he closed his first article with this statement: 'We are anxious to hear from you and your response will help to determine the value of this column to your own life and the well-being of your community.' "

Get out! She said this? And she was serious and everything-she wasn't messing with you??

Clicking this up so I can find it more easily....

Sadly, the Bible warns against false prophets, but does not include an explicit warning like "And if a man cometh to you, claiming the writings of other are his own, and that he brings teachings from Me greater than all those that come before him, and he taketh the daughters of the people and practices evil upon them, and teaches the men and women to sin in like manner as he himself commits, but nevertheless does NOT call himself a prophet, I have not sent him to you, and he has spoken presumptuously. Thou shalt stone him with stones, till he die, and then thou shalt REALLY get rough with him." It DOES warn against those that claim to speak for God, and those who deal dishonestly, and those who seek to lead while sinning, and the like. Therefore, vpw would have avoided stoning on the basis of being a "false prophet" or a plagiarist, but STILL could have been stoned in Israel for some of the other stuff.

Feel free to submit it.

I'd also like to point out that this is a private messageboard. Nobody has a Constitutional right to the GSC. Nobody has a Constitutional right to POST on the GSC. Nobody has a Constitutional right to be ACCEPTED on the GSC. Don't like your treatment on the GSC? LEAVE! The internet is a huge, huge place. You can find a board you like, or you can make your OWN board. In fact, I'd bet Paw would let you advertise it on a thread here so those who WANT your board can find it. Of course, you can't MAKE people post on your board, either....

"Believe in all the good things That money just can't buy, Then you won't get no bellyache From eatin' humble pie. I believe in rags to riches- Your inheritance won't last. So take your Gray Poupon my friend And shove it up your @$$!"

Nice article! Almost looks like it's taken word-for-word from another source. Did you pull this from the wikipedia entry http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fredrich_Nietzsche without attribution- or another source without attribution? It looks like it's word-for-word from the answers.com listing for him, from the "Place in Contemporary Ethical theory" section, the last few paragraphs before "Political Views" begins. (From that page) "While in popular belief it is Neitzshce himself who blatantly made this declaration, it was actually placed into the mouth of a character, a 'madman', in 'the Gay Science'. It was also later proclaimed by Nietzsche's 'Zarathustra'. This largely misunderstood statement does not proclaim a physical death, but a natural end to the belief in God being the foundation of the western mind. It is also widely misunderstood as a kind of gloating declaration, when it is actually described as a tragic lament by the character Zarathustra." http://www.answers.com/topic/friedrich-nietzsche?method=22 Well done! You've absorbed the lesson of your teacher, vpw! "Always use the sentences and ideas of others to attempt to make yourself look clever, and NEVER give them the credit for it!" Sadly, this method FAILS in the dawn of the Silicon Age...

Which means that it sprang from the pen of Nietzche-twice. Which means-guess what?-he wrote it. A) Your quote failed to accomplish this. B) Nice work aping vpw's style! I shall elaborate in a moment.

moony, I found the second and third, but not the first. Of course, I'm VERY curious how you found the first. :) In other news, none of that says anything we didn't already say. (Not to say it shouldn't be posted at least once, just that it wasn't new to the discussion.) ==== The first quote is a guy making fun of beliefs and heretics. There's no guarantee he's picked a real group to mock. In fact, given the fictions people usually mock (like radical Muslims decrying the blood libel, and Jack Chick decrying the satanic rpgs, and vpw and lcm attacking pagan gods in the RCC), my SUSPICION is that this supports the idea it's imaginary. ====== The second quote is about "a church in Ohio in the 50's." Frankly, I think vpw is DIRECTLY to blame for this one. Who else was going around in the ealy 70s in Ohio claiming there was a church some time ago that did exactly that? Then again, maybe they drew from a common source as vpw, as if they both read the same issue of Weekly World News or something. ========== The third quote illustrates my point. It's started in Ohio-no, wait, it started in California. (California's more believable as a source of weird fringe-groups.) I've noticed nobody NAMES this paper, and it's impossible to follow up on, as written.

No. "Is this how you want to be remembered?" "I don't want to be remembered at all. That means I'm dead." "There are two types of tragedies in life: One is not getting what you want, the other is getting it."