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That is Waybrain in a nutshell. And a subtle condemnation -- i.e., if you do not receive healing, it is because you are believing the negatives of this world. If you _really_ believed, you wouldn't need medicine (interesting that it is juxtaposed with alcohol, as if the taking of any of these was a weakness).A positive outlook on life is a healthy and effective way to live, but it is a far cry from the "law of believing." Regards, Shaz Mike's immediate (proximal) response? "I'm convinced that NONE of us ever really believed..." Oenophile says on the subject, "Mike, Your formulaic concep of life is just wrong. Reality is far too complex to be reduced to 'a priori' formulas found in the PFAL class or in collaterals. Paul said that 'the letter kills but the spirit gives life.' Far too many people who struggles with difficult issues in TWI sought help only to be judged and upbraided by smug and sanctimonious 'miserable comforters' for their supposed lack of believing.' Conversely, he summation of Jesus' message: love, mercy, justice and hope which are concepts that don't lend themselves easily to trite slogans, maxims and formulas." Mike's response to this? "So you say I'm making it too simple, and Shaz thinks I make it too complex!" This illustrated Mike's difficulties with written text. Both posters came in from the same direction, and Mike declares them opposite to each other. Mike completely misread Shaz' post. Is this a difficulty common to ALL our posts, or just Shaz?

Mike, can you agree to keep it down to ONE ad for pfal and ONE unsupported claim that vpw gave divine revelation to "master pfal" and ONE claim vpw got a special unction per page? I think we all can fairly well recite your ads by now..... As it now stands, it looks like you're making the same post over and over in this thread.

I felt this was worth repeating, for those who might have been skimming.

*curses* Man, I was just thinking about him the other day. I'll keep his family in my prayers.

Since twi-ers never comprised a sizeable portion of people winning the lottery despite their "great believing", I figured this rule wasnt quite as practical as vpw liked to make it sound. As Raf has pointed out, it works as a "rule of thumb", but elevating it to a "law" that "works for saint and sinner alike", as vpw loved to do with trends or rules of thumb, makes it into something that it is not.

Uh, it's available on tape and CD.... "Arlo Guthrie, "Alice's Restaurant" ". If you listen to the tape, it's all of side one, titled "Alice's Restaurant Massacree." They also made a movie of it, as was mentioned earlier in the thread.

Don't keep us in suspence, Mstar- was the Dump closed on Thanksgiving?

Hey, dude. Happy birthday.

Of course, if they had a mogfot who loved the internet, the whole "possessed cyberspace" thing would no longer be "today's truth", but "yesterday's wineskin".

I'm taking it as a given that, according to their schedule, it's a feature on the local news in those timeslots. Yes, if someone has access to the show, and the know-how and equipment, they can digitize the clip, then someone can host the file online like the audio clips we have here. (Or the video clips on twi's site.) Then post the link so we can download the clip.

EVERYBODY has an after-Christmas sale.

Hm. That was interesting.

I find more value in carrying a flashlight in my pocket. Then I don't have to count anything. :D-->

Actually, I think Raf was saying that there is no "smoking gun" verse that says "The unforgivable sin is...." with a straight answer. What he WAS saying was that vpw's pat answer was patently wrong on several levels, so we know one thing it is NOT. The ONLY description we are given is that it is "blaspmemy against The Holy Ghost." Beyond that, whole books have speculated wildly on the subject, but nobody had anything beyond speculation.

I disagree. Got a basis for that statement?

Who decided that all we do is argue? If that's all we did, I wouldn't hang around. I, publicly, suggested-and requested-polite discourse. My reply to his sole public message here was respectful and articulate. I even suggested, if he was concerned his name would prejudice people unfairly about him-that he use a pseudonym. Almost nobody here knows me IRL. However, a lot of you have opinions about me, about what I value, what I don't value, what I think is important, and how I think I should act. You've made those determinations based on the content and phrasing of my posts. He could easily do the same. Further, who said this is all about "winning"? Polite discussion is an exchange of ideas. What turned it into a game of one-upsmanship? Who said this is a matter of "forcing" beliefs? ======= Personally, I think this is less about what JAL is doing than what Jeff is doing. These "drive-by postings" don't have the air of caring about them. They seem more advertisement than "discussion", and this IS a "discussion forum". He drops a "look how clever JAL is!" post, and then fire is drawn towards JAL, not Jeff.

[Can't have anything without its origin. Fruit proceeds from trees, just as our actions proceed from what is in our hearts. Those who hold that the appetites of the flesh are most important certainly will act on that, just as those who believe God will act on that. The fruit proceeds from its origin, its source. Matthew 12:35 makes the points of the preceeding verses clear. Other than supposing the concept "seed" from the chapter, I'd like to see you cite the VERSE that SAYS "seed" in that chapter. It's not there? Your understanding of the verse places it there? vpw used to call that private...what? (Except when HE did it, of course. Then it was fine. ) ]

Dan, so, when Jesus says "the prince of this world cometh" and "hath nothing in me", how does that fit in with your understanding of II Cor 4:4?

Actually, Shaz, it's been pointed out by a number of people (I heard it first from Mark Sanguinetti) that most of vpw's stuff was plagiarized, and what WASN'T plagiarized was garbage. Whenever he went out on his own with "original" material, he messed up.

MJ412, Figure of speech. It was not literally true-to-fact. I forget the Greek and Latin names for it- it's where you invoke a common saying or motto from the culture.

Hi Paw. I couldn't figure out the "right" answer, either. For that matter, I wasn't clear on the question. Mostly, I prefer to know where a diatribe is going to go before I agree to set one up. I think it had something to do with how often you beat your wife, and if you've stopped or not.

Very interesting comment on her part, considering that ALMOST everything was in order at her home. Let's see, furniture is orderly, everything is tidy, silverware in all the little racks, children asnug in their beds, husband boinking the young thing down the block. I imagine it was easier to deal with that by spending her energy stringing silverware rather than facing infidelity. If you're busy enough, you don't have time to think much about premeditated sin committed on a regular basis by someone who supposedly is teaching others to AVOID sin.

Ever wonder if the obsession with cleanliness at twi started as the result of someone with a guilty conscience struggling to physically clean what was a moral filthiness? Lady Macbeth had a similar problem trying to wash off the bloodstains after committing murder....

Genesis 3:20 "And Adah bare Jabal, he was the father of such as dwell in tents, and of such as have cattle." Genesis 3:21 "And his brother's name was Jubal: he was the father of all such as handle the harp and organ." Genesis 3:22a "And Zillah, she also bare Tubal-cain, an instructor of every artificer in brass and iron." The first camper, the first cattle-rustler, the first musician, the first metalsmith. Are all cowboys and musicians genetically descended from them?