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Please forgive me if this topic has been covered before. There were certain books that were required reading when we were in the Way Corps as well as before entering into the Way Corps. For example, I remember reading "The Myth of the Six Million." If anyone who hasn't been in The Corps would like to add book titles that were recommended to them by Way Believer's I would be interested in knowing about them as well. On the other side of the coin, I would be interested in a list of books that we were encouraged to get rid of "Burn The Chaff". I remember someone telling me that the beloved children's book "Good Night Moon" was "devilish" because one page was in black and white and then the next page was in color. Interesting theory :wacko:

Where can I hide my teaching so the devil can't get it? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5G7bGBUlx2M

Anyone remember any teachings concerning Mahatma Gandhi? VP liked the Indian people, didn't he?

Wow, I love the analogy. Perhaps in my case it was more like Quick Sand because I kept getting in deeper and deeper but really wanted to crawl my way out.

Sorry for the confusion. To explain a little bit more; I believed in the beginning but while in the Way Corps there was so much that I didn't agree with and as the years went on I realized I believed less and less. It wasn't overnight but more gradual. For example, Craig waking us up in the middle of the night to teach us about devil spirits. I wasn't thinking to myself, "wow, this is really important stuff and that's why he thought it important enough to wake us up". I was thinking "this REALLY could have waited til tomorrow". As for what I believe now concerning devil spirits............. I believe that good things happen to good and bad people and that bad things happen to good and bad people. I don't believe in "devil spirits". Twinky, I hope that's a little clearer for you. But yes, I feel that I stuck around WAY TOO LONG!!!

No, my answer to the question is a Big Fat NO! This is the thing about me. I never really believed that bull crap and yet I stuck around for 18 years so how embarrassing is that?

I seem to remember he said something like, "It's heavy on my heart so I want to share it with you now".He was real hepped up, like he just drank 4 cups of coffee. Didn't he know that nothing good happens after midnight.

We left the summer of 1993 so I wasn't going out of my way to take any classes in 1992 but when I was in-residence Craig had everyone come to one of those rooms (fireside room or something) in the middle of the night. He proceeded to teach on devil spirits for an hour or so. Ranting and Raving!!! to quote you, "Well," I thought, "couldn't this wait until the morning?" Thanks for letting me know, I thought I remembered hearing it.

Thanks for the info. I'll check out Sunesis.

You're right, for a Christian Ministry, there was absolutely no "Compassion" of any kind. Here's another question. I heard the whole Myth of the Six Million Rant more than once, but does anyone remember Wierwille saying that we fought on the wrong side in WWII?

Does anyone remember hearing any teachings concerning Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.? When I was in the 8th. Corps I remember some clown coming to Emporia and teaching us about the "real" Dr. King. He called him Martin Lucifer King, believed he was a "seed boy", and employed by the Russian Communist Party to bring down the USA. Of course he was in good company because we also listened to some moron expound on The Beatles "The Marxist Minstrels".

You know things are screwed up when you're on a Corps Night Hook-up and hear Craig "destroy" a man by explaining all the things he did wrong and that's why his wife died giving birth to their child. (that was the last time I participated in Corps Night Hook-ups). I actually knew things were WAY screwed up WAY before this.

Not only did I make grave errors in judgment when getting involved with TWI, but I was seduced by big fat claims about the nature of the system I was in. It claimed to be a biblical research ministry but it is extreme fundamentalism. I suggest more of us get informed not only about how cults function but what fundamentalism is and the history of its development. It’s not only a way of interpreting the bible but a way of existing in the world. I thought this was a good video dealing with fundamentalism in support of your statement that "it is a way of existing in the world". http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsAbgfAGzlE

The claim was made by VP "The ministry desperately needs the Word Over the World Auditorium". I beg to differ on that point. They could not fill it up for Sunday services and it was embarrasing. It became mandatory that if you lived within a certain radius (2 hour radius?) then you were expected to attend atleast one service a month. This was for Corps, but we were supposed to encourage whole branches to attend together. Of course it's not possible to force "dead wood" to attend, (oh, if only I had been dead wood) but twig coordinators, twig coordinator assistants, corps, etc. we all made the treck or as I like to call it "The Death March". Think of all the ramifications if the auditorium wouldn't have been built. We would never have had the joy of watching Craig dance around in tights

I have notes on HOW TO PUT A PFAL CLASS TOGETHER IN 2 1/2 DAYS We had 5 categories of people/candidates 1. Sure thing-paid in full 2. Strong possibility 3. Interested party 4. Mild possibility 5. Goat I shudder to think that I referred to people as "goats" simply because they didn't want to shell out $200.00 to sit through a class they knew nothing about. I had forgotten that we also used the expression "dead wood" for people who wanted to lead normal lives. Very cruel words.

I have a letter that VP sent out concerning the Auditorium. Unfortunately it's not dated. To You My Power for Abundant Living Grad: My blessing and greetings to you in the wonderful name of our living lord and savior, Jesus Christ, who always causes us to triumph when we do God's will according to God's Word. Many of our people whose lives were blessed and so wonderfully changed in my class on Power for Abundant Living have become successful and blessed in many different ways. But, in the dollars and cents category and in other material things, even including health, the Adversary has continued stealing from our people. Apparently the people God has given me believe most things I teach them from the Word; but they do not really believe the truth regarding their money, their dollar and cents incomes, and tithing. I know the major reason WHY Way believers have financial difficulties and can tell you that they have neglected to put into practice the basic principle starting towards abundance, and that is tithing. At the Word in Business and Profession Conference I taught that the only way whereby a believer can continuously manifest a more than abundant life is by believing God, His Word, and by practicing more than tithing. etc......................... The enclosure with this letter is a short work on the integrity and accuracy of God's Word that will dispel any believer's ignorance or wrong teaching and open God's floodgates of heaven, if practiced. Every believer is responsible to decide for himself whether to live his life in accordance with God's Word or not. Why don't you just try it? Give God an opportunity to prove it to you. Keep good financial records and you'll see. etc....................................... Bless you real good. Faithfully, In His service, Victor Paul Wierwille P.S. The ministry desperately needs the Word Over the World Auditorium. As every believer is instructed in God's Word to speak much in tongues in order to remain spiritually sharp, so the abundant sharing, beyond the tithe, will take care of a lot of financial, material, and physical opportunities. If you are parcticing abundant sharing, which begins beyond the tithe, I want to encourage you to continue to make that abundant sharing available to the Word Over the World Auditorium. As of this week, the Board of Trustees has decided to take 15 percent (a tithe would be 10 percent) of all monies that are shared in the horns of plenty around the country weekly and transfer that 15 percent to the Word Over the World Auditorium fund. Please pardon any spelling errors. I can post the teaching at a later date if there's an interest. GIVING AND RECEIVING (Not Law-But Grace) To make a long story short............. "Any born-again believer who does not operate the principle of abundant sharing keeps God from blessing him to the fullest extent and allows the Adversary to steal more and more".

Some people who were in "The Way" deny that it was/is a cult. CULT CHARACTERISTICS & TECHNIQUES USED TO GAIN MIND CONTROL ISOLATION: Loss of reality induced by physical separation from society & rational references. HYPNOSIS: State of high suggestibility induced by hypnosis, often thinly disguised as meditation. PEER GROUP PRESSURE: Suppression of doubt and resistance to new ideas, achieved by exploiting the natural need to belong. LOVE BOMBING: Sense of family and belonging contrived through hugging, kissing, touching and flattery. REMOVAL OF PRIVACY: Loss of ability to evaluate logically achieved by preventing private contemplation. CHANGE OF DIET/SLEEP DEPRIVATION and FATIGUE: Withholding adequate rest, sleep and necessary nutrients (food) leads to disorientation and vulnerability created by prolonged mental and physical activity. METACOMMUNICATION/CONFUSING DOCTRINE: Subliminal messages implanted by stressing certain key words or phrases in long, confusing lectures. Encourages rejection of logic and blind acceptance. NO QUESTIONS: Automatic acceptance of beliefs accomplished by discouraging questions. DRESS: Individuality removed by demanding conformity to the group dress code. REPLACEMENT OF RELATIONSHIPS: Pre-cult families destroyed by arranging cult marriages and "families". GUILT: Teachings of eternal salvation reinforced by exaggerating sins of the former lifestyle. REJECTION OF OLD VALUES: Acceptance of new lifestyle accelerated by constantly denouncing former values and beliefs. CONFESSION: Destruction of personal egos, increased vulnerability to new teachings and recruits weaknesses revealed, through sharing innermost secrets. FEAR: Loyalty and obedience to group maintained by threatening soul, life or limb for the slightest "negative" thought, word or deed. CHANTING AND SINGING: Repetition of mind-narrowing chants or phrases eliminates non-cult ideas. DISINHIBITION: Child-like obedience encouraged by orchestrating child-like behaviour. CONTROLLED APPROVAL: Vulnerability and confusion maintained by alternately rewarding and punishing similar actions. FLAUNTING HIERARCHY: Acceptance of cult authority produced by promising advancement, power and salvation. FINGER POINTING: False sense of righteousness created by pointing to the shortcomings of the outside world and other cults. FINANCIAL COMMITMENT: Increased dependence on the group achieved by "burning bridges" to past, through the donation of all assets.

Thanks everyone for putting up with my crys for "help"!!! For whatever reason I couldn't see any of the additional threads, but after playing around with some settings,signing out, signing back in,; deleting cookies (eating cookies) everything seems to be working correctly. Thanks

why can't I see my posts or anyone else's? Help!

I'm not sure people's comments are showing up on the blog.

But I also readily admit that I consciously turned a deaf ear to people who warned me not to get involved. That is so true. In the 70's my parents were very concerned with my involvement in TWI. They told me things and showed me things that I just refused to believe, didn't want to believe, including sexual escapades by the leadership. Eighteen years later I finally admitted that they were right. While I was in-residence in the 8th. Corps my father wrote Craig a letter. Craig had me write the response and he read and approved it and signed his name to it. Perhaps he wanted to see my response. I wish I still had my dad's letter but I would be embarrased now to read my response.

Penworks, Thanks so much for posting this. I read it on another web site as well. I would like to copy and paste this if it's okay with you. I know a young 26 year old man who seems to think the adversary has just recently infiltrated TWI (his words not mine) and he's involved with a splinter group that celebrates Wierwille's life, teachings, message.

So do you think those teens were forced to go by their parents? "If you don't go to that Advance Class you're never getting the car keys"!!!

I love college campuses. Who brought the keg, man?

Don't worry if you can't find your retemory cards, just STAY YOUR MIND!