vickles

Thanks krys, I wasn't aware of that. My son gets detention every once in a while but I have never been required to be in it. lol One thing about detention though I have to say and sorry if I'm derailing. I don't understand sometimes about detention. My son gets detention for the silliest things. He rarely ever is in trouble. Like one time he got detention because he had to use the restroom and he had too many for the month. One time the teacher wouldn't let him go and he ended up messing his pants. He is 14 years old for heavens sake. He was ssssoooo embarrassed. Now if he was fighting or being disrepectful of teachers and other students I can understand detention. And then we have kids that do worse that don't get anything because of who they are or something weird like that. For example, my grandaughter goes to the same school as my son and is a year younger. She was sitting on the steps inside the school and a girl that didn't like her kicked her in the back and my grandaughter fell down the stairs. Nothing happened to this kid because of who she was. No detention, nothing. So I guess, in this article we don't really know why they had to go to detention or what kind of fines the son had.

Legally if I had to pay the fines for my son, I would be making him do a lot of work for me to pay it off. And to sit in detention with my kid? No way she is the one that did it, make her do it herself.

Don't get me wrong, I do get things for my kids or buy things. This isn't what I was talking about. I understand mj, what your saying. I have a family too that is like that. If my kids are in need, of course I love them enough to give them a boost. If that is what they need. But, if I see its not a need but a handout because they are too lazy to do it themselves, no way would I help them. But, to enable them or cover for them? No way.

I also remember how we would say if we were having any doubts while in the corps, we would say that it was like throwing up. We were getting all the negatives out of our lives and throwing it up and out of our bodies.

I do remember the fascination that vpw had of hitler. It would be interesting to take a look at how hitler did with his own people and compare. I know more than once he stated that the holocaust never happened.

Thanks, Hap!!!! You know, I can see my own kids doing this. They don't like swearing and things like that. I can see them trying to figure out how to make others happy. They are pretty innocent in their thinking. I've never had to worry about drugs or drinking. My daughter will be 18 years old this month. And being from the west, 10:30 pm in the summer time is not late at all.

I'm asking for more information to try and understand not anything else, satori.

Wow Satori, that is the best explanation of cult I've seen yet. Sitting on the floor all the time was a strategy of mind control?

and you were feeling groovy?... :P-->

Paw, you were in the back seat with george???

George, don't tell me it was you Well, I think I could see your wife doing it....lmao... :D-->

LOLOLOL You guys are sick, you hear me?...

Just kidding alfakat, you are a wonderful man!!!

yes, but I don't know if you could actually put our alfie as normal would you? :P--> HEHEHEHE

excie, Yes as a matter of fact our alfie was one of them.... :)--> I'm getting mixed up on the threads and meant to post that in the other one so that HCW would be the focus...I'm sorry howard!!!! This has opened up so many cans of worms for me...Howard thanks for sharing this stuff...its time for healing once again.

The funny thing about this stuff is that I came to the realization through these threads (a while back) that I had not actually been kicked out because of all this stuff. I had been approached about what goes on at the coach with vpw. I was shocked that this was going on. There was no way I was going to be a part of that!!!!!!!!!! That was the beginning of my end. After I left I went back home to my seattle area. There was some 6th korks guys that were the leaders in that area that brought me back to life again. Thanks you guys for being wild and crazy and showing me that I could have fun and that I was normal. You showed me that they were the ones that were abnormal. I will always have warm memories and well thoughts of you all!!!!

The reason they never questioned the couple was because they were good buddies with JL and Pat. When we went lightbearers the couple that I had trouble with were in the same group as I. You wouldn't beleive how the wife acted. She came on to the branch leader there. Big time. To me, she was a very evil person. No heart. Anyways, after lightbearers, I said something to the elder corps about how I knew that the couple had not worked for her money. I ended up in Pat's apt again with the couple and my coordinator with the woman that turned me in. The lady also shared with everyone that I had this thing about my breasts that I could get any man I wanted because I thought all the guys looked at me.....and got railed on again. I never said anything like that of course. She had come to me and stated that since my breasts were so big that I must have a lot of guys looking at them instead of at my face. Thats all that happened. The next morning after being in Pat's office, JL called me into his office and told me that I could no longer be corps because I was possessed by devil spirits. I asked him what spirits. He looked out the window and said I don't know. Its a generational thing with my family. He said that martindale told him I was out and if I fought it they would literally carry me out. He couldn't even tell me what devil spirits I had!!!!!! For years afterwards I believed that I must be possessed.

I wouldn't be too shocked if they followed and watched....

Wow, out there, really? I feel overwhelmed and am actually crying!!!! After the meeting no one would even look at me. I never knew that people would even feel that way. Out there, really from the bottom of my heart I thank you for telling me that.

It also said that this lady was offered to pay the medical bills and she refused, taking them to court for more money.

Hey, who lives in Colorado that can hear the ....rest of the story? It would be interesting to find out what all the facts are.

I agree, galen, I have a daughter who is 18 that I want to help and at times I don't because she needs to be able to 'fix' it herself. But then, I have the two step daughters that I didn't raise and that is a good example to my children and myself. All I have to do is remind them of this and the reason I am not helping them. They understand big time.

Yes I agree, abigail....no use arguing about it...but I don't think we should get mad and personal about it either. I just thought the whole thing to be stupid, but then I wasn't there. It does sound like they had letters from people that received the cookies and it was positive. And they have the whole town rallying behind them.

People in TWI were harrassing us. They would put bumper stickers of twi all over and one place we lived they watched our house to make sure that anyone in their twig didn't come over. One time some did come over and they entered our house and demanded for those people to leave. So we left and moved to minnesota. I left where I was from to get away from them.

I don't think the parents have a clue on what they are doing to their children..they think they are 'helping' them out of 'love'.