What About It

Ewwww...do you think Melsie still does it? Yuk. At least the Martindale kids learned to make their own beds. (But not to their mother's satisfaction--I heard from the horse's mouth herself.) That's more than I can say for the Wierwille kids, who had abused and victimized followers joyfully changing their sheets. :(

I heard about 3000 in the U.S. And that was a few years ago. No doubt smaller now. There's more way followers in one country in Africa, the Democratic Republic of Congo, than in the entire US. And HQ has way more staff, plus all the field staff, than the DRC does. $$$$$$

lmao...veepee was really full of himself, wasn't he! That must have made him feel really second-class to show up and find that something was going on that didn't completely revolve around him, like the rest of his little perverted world did.

Really? Tell me more. Is there a thread here at the Cafe for this topic? I was an innie at the time, and all I knew is that he was being confronted by her for something, and then BAM, he's a purchasing agent but still gets to sit at a big round table at lunch, separate from the common folk with the lovely white buckets under the chairs.

I'm looking for it, Belle, but haven't found it yet. If anyone knows, please give me a clue. better yet, a link.

Yeah, except Linder, right? So the new policy must be why he's selling real estate now--can't sell overpriced Acai cure-all juice in wine bottles anymore?

Maybe a lack of credibility after the whole sex fiasco blew up in his face?

Does anyone know the inside story about the in-residence men who usddenly, overnight, bailed on their wives and families? There were a few of them--one at Gunnison (I was there incarcerated at that time). J@s0n Br@df0rd was the one there who left during the middle of the night. Then there were 2 or 3 guys at the Indiana campus who did the same. What was the deal with that? Were the wives, you know, "in" with the Fresh Prez? I remember that he was livid over it. And at Gunnison, the wife of the guy was in really good with J@cqu3 H. Hmmm...just wondering. Anyone know anything?

That's just sick. I had no idea about that until I read it here. She was supposed to be a really great counselor, too--must be, that's what the way told me.

I think it's because he has stuck around for so many years and has made his way up through battlefield promotions, being ordained in, was it 1992 or 1995(?) with all the other battlefield ordinations (D@niel, C0yle, etc.). Plus now he has so much dirt on all the trustees that he's kinda like Ms. Bidon--people they don't want to .... off too badly for fear that he'll talk. If they're not nice to him, he could become one of us. Bwahahahaha!

roflmao...but can I get the hoohobbers jr. director's chair without actually being a jr. director? I never got that impression from the elder moneyhands. I always thought he was a good man who was willing to do anything to move the way's brand of "the word." Until I heard he was more than displeased with his UK assignment, I always thought he was happy to do whatever was needed. Maybe the jr. director/jr. moneyhands learned some of his backbiting skills from his dad?

My sentiments exactly!

Let's review his education and work history just a bit: early 90s: graduated from college with a bachelor's degree (finance, I think) 93-96: in-residence; graduated 1996 96-03: staff at Camp Gunnison as Multi-Services department coordinator 03-08: staff at HQ as Personnel department coordinator (over vp's dead body will they change the name to Human Resources--or "won't" they change the name, I guess) 08-10: Junior Director of the cult that snapped. I'm sure that'll look good on the resume. Good thing he knows how to use email and an Internet browser since he's worked for a backwards org that still uses pencil and paper, interoffice mail, and fax machines.

When I first got in the way ministry, God did some really great things for me. Over the years, those things seemed fewer and farther between. And then I would hear stories of new people coming to the ministry and all the great things God was doing for them. So I would wonder, why doesn't God do things like that for those of us who have been in the ministry for a long time? And sometimes I would even try to justify it by thinking that we had fewer needs than a new person, who really needed a lot of deliverance. But that's kind of hard to justify at HQ when all around you the staff are getting older and older and getting cancer and all kinds of other diseases, and no one's getting healed without doctors and surgeries and all that. So now I'm reading a book called Toxic Faith that was recommended to me by Twinky when I posted this thread How do you get over it? (Thanks, Twinky!). It has a great explanation for this: In a toxic-faith system, the organization takes the place of God. That explains a lot--like why God seems to do so much for people who were new to the way but very little for those who had been around for a number of years.

Thus saith the screamin' prophesier. You crack me up, Waysider! That is so disgusting. Makes me so glad I never knew the man. I took PFAL the month that he died, in May 1985. On the other hand, if I had known him, maybe I would have seen what a scumbag he was... ?? Don't know. I realized lcm was a scumbag long before I was willing to admit it, though. I guess that's one of the effects that Krazy Koolaid has on a person.

And Harve's bit makes it sound like there's tons of classes, and the pics shown make it look like all the classes are huge. He says the WAP series has foundational, intermediate, and advanced classes--sounds like several at each level. Then he says the biblical studies series has classes such as Living God's Word as a Family. That's really funny--since that was the only class in that series when the video was made. Real slick. not

OMG, OldSkool, I can't believe you found that video! That's frickin hilarious! Makes me so glad I'm an outie now. It reeks of backward, out of touch, behind the times, old blue-hairs running the good ole' church. That fellowship shot looked just as dry and stale as the fellowships really were. Yuk.

You got it! Go George!

$29K

OMG...RU kidding me? Rosalez gets printouts from the WayGB? Still hates computers, does she? Hates the Internet? That's kinda like hating a car and preferring a horse. Hating electricity and preferring candles. Hating email and preferring snail mail. (Oh wait...she hates email too. Makes people rush and work too fast.) Sorry for the rant. Hi Rosalez! Hope you're having a very powerful and controlling day in your little cornfield that you control. Just know that you really don't control the world.

Your what? Tin roof rusted.

Ugh...I came so close to being in that video. I had an appointment the day the crew came to tape it, and when I got back I couldn't even get into my office. Everyone was out in the lobby having a fake fellowship that was being recorded for the video. Whew...got out of that by the skin of my teeth. Bliss wrote on another thread that she thought even the WC didn't know they spent money on it--she's right. I don't think anyone but the directors knew that. It was presented to everyone like it was all a big win, a freebie. They got selected because of their ethics...blah, blah, blah. Too bad they never told anyone why the video got pulled--because of their corruption, lies, coercion, scandals...

And how about the lunch hour. They can't require you to attend the meal, but they can sure put the pressure on and make you feel like dirt if you don't go. So let's add up the hours: 46 - work 5 - STS + volunteer + snack shop 5 - lunch meals 1 - lame department fellowships 57 hours a week, minimum, for somewhere between $300 and $400 per week. Now there's a deal! (for the cult, that is)

Now that's the best benefit I've seen! Nice one, Bolshie! Here's some others: If you do not attend the service, then you will be hounded by your department leadership until you can report to them that you heard the tape--because they have to give account to Rosie that all have heard it. The PTO system doesn't get much better until you have been on staff for 5 years, when I think you get another week. And in addition to only a few days and requests being approved based on seniority, there's also restrictions to the number of days before and after a weekend (esp. a holiday weekend) that you can take time off. You will not be required but you will be highly pressured to attend lame, boring, morning department "fellowships." If you have children, they will be required to be in the day care and summer camp programs. They will also be highly pressured to "volunteer" for Sunday service responsibilities one month each year. You will live in the middle of nowhere. The closest grocery store is 20 minutes away, and the closest night life is an hour away. But don't come home too late if you live in the dorm--you'll have to gain access via the night watchman, who will see you on camera and be required to take the names of all the people you're with. Don't plan on having any non-ministry family come to visit you. Very strange housing arrangements for guests. Way too much red tape. Chief Housing Officer: Donna Martindale. That says it all.

It seems that the directors themselves aren't so convinced of the class benefits either...read on The Death of a New Green Card