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Terms of Endearment Debra Winger An Officer and a Gentleman

A later writing of Genesis, at least parts of it, would make sense of the observation I made earlier (about Moses writing about "before there were kings in Israel" even though there still were no kings in Israel at the time of Moses' death). It would also make more sense of the ending of Deuteronomy than the traditional explanation (that Joshua wrote it -- the language makes no sense if it were written by someone even 20 years after Moses' death, but makes perfect sense if inserted by someone hundreds of years later). A later writing of at least parts of the Torah actually make sense of a lot of things, like the claim in Exodus that the Hebrews built the city of Rameses even though Rameses didn't reign until much, much later than the Exodus (Yul Brynner's performance notwithstanding). Would the most humble man on earth really write that he's the most humble man on earth? (Numbers 12:3) Why does Abraham come from Ur of the Chaldees when the Chaldeans weren't in Ur until much later than the time even of Moses? A lot of these things make sense if they're edited into the story during the Babylonian captivity. They also make sense if Moses didn't write these books at all.

Are you suggesting that Moses did not write Genesis?

I never said these were earth-shattering or deal-breaking questions. I don't even think any one of them necessarily deserves its own thread. Maybe the Moses stuff. That's deep.

We're quibbling over semantics. It was not "common knowledge" that there were literal giants in the earth, by Mayor's account. We could call it "common knowledge," but with the benefit of hindsight, it would be better to call it "widespread error based on a misinterpretation of the evidence." I did indeed ask Steve (indirectly) to document his claim, but I did so based on MY misunderstanding of what his claim was. It's not that there were "giant bones." It's that there were mammal bones that were incorrectly interpreted as human or human-like, and that incorrect interpretation gave birth to a legend that enjoyed widespread belief (which is to say, common knowledge). There is no need to argue the point, unless Steve now wants to say that the ancients had it right. But I do not perceive that as what he's saying.

Love that movie.

"What are you, a monk?" "I have a woman." "What do you tell her?" "I tell her I'm a salesman." "So then, if you spot me coming around that corner... you just gonna walk out on this woman? Not say good bye?" "That's the discipline." "That's pretty vacant, you know." "Yeah, it is what it is. It's that or we both better go do something else, pal." "I don't know how to do anything else." "Neither do I." "I don't much want to either." "Neither do I."

I wasn't trying to be cheeky.

Yup

yes

Has it occurred to anyone else that no one can do what Wierwille did while actually believing in the God he purported to worship?

Fine. Ace Ventura: When Nature Calls

So maybe Cain was just building different edifices where he and his family could accomplish different tasks, and the Biblical writer chose a word, "city," in a very, very loose manner. You and I would probably say he built a farm, and recognizing that he would need more than one or two people to work on it, built other houses to lure his nephews and nieces to help him out. Viola (sic)! A city!

In this futuristic dystopian action flick, the last son of Krypton is framed for a ghastly crime and forced to compete in a life-or-death game show pitting him against a series of colorfully attired gladiators.

Field of Dreams *** "Nine, ten, never sleep again."

Re-he-he-he-he-heally?

Yes, I apologize both to you and to Steve for misunderstanding the point you were making.

Ok, it took me a few readings to understand both what Steve is saying and what the author he cited is saying. No one is saying that the bones of nephilim were found either recently or in antiquity. Mayor posits that the ancients found fossilized bones and interpreted them incorrectly, assuming because of some superficial similarity to human bones that these were the bones of giants. Look carefully at what Steve says: Emphases mine. I dispute the word choice Steve's next comment: It was not "common knowledge." It was widespread myth, based on the misinterpretations of the excavated bones.

Uhh, YEAH that's an unwarranted assumption!

Umm. What giant bones?

Soylent Green Mile

Sounds like TIP, the Movie.

"You wanna see something really scary?"

Monty Python and the Holy Grail

Nice!