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You can call other forms of worship "Catholic," but then you need to define your term. They would balk at the term, most certainly. More importantly, Jerry is talking about the Roman Catholic Church, so for you to switch definitions on him mid-argument is less than fair. Umm, okay.

I can't figure out the first word(s). I did figure out the last word, but I'm stumped on the overall title.

"You will watch your tongue in my courtoom." "And you will watch your tongue in my presence!"

Probablt because they seemed to have a strategy: Steve! hits 5,000 posts, and never posts again. And they stuck to it! Hey, I applaud 'em.

This is historically incorrect, and presumes all copies of the scriptures were in the hands of the Roman Catholic Church. Also untrue. Mark, I wouldn't berate someone for an ignorance of history in the same post as inaccuracy this blatant.

Agreed. I don't even want to see his PUBLIC messages, much less his privates.

I'm a little confused on your criticism of the Jehovah's Witnesses with regard to changing the word "Lord." At best, your criticism is incomplete. The word LORD in the Hebrew Scriptures was generally "YHWH," which JW's translated Jehovah. This was perfectly appropriate and you should not have a problem with it in the slightest. The New Testament is where it gets tricky, because they used "kurios" (not sure I have the exact transliteration there) when quoting OT passages that contained YHWH. So sometimes inserting "Jehovah" in place of Lord is appropriate in the NT, and sometimes it is not. In any event, those changes made by the JW's support the truth, not lies.

The first two are adventures. Next!

Tough one. "You've known all along, haven't you? He might have fooled us, but he hasn't fooled you."

If I know Mike, the previous post probably says something about my mischaracterizing him, then goes on to discuss... well, evade my point. I did not mischaracterize him in the slightest. If Wierwille says something outside of PFAL, he only rejects it if it disproves his thesis. So when Wierwille tells HCW "PFAL is not God-breathed," it doesn't matter, because he did not WRITE that. Very convenient.

This sounds very Naked Gunish. 2.5?

Whenever Wierwille says something that is not actually in the written material, Mike accepts it if it sheds light on the material and rejects it if it sheds even more light on the material. For example, he's eager to note that the "fire engine red curtains" scenario, which helps establish the silliness of the "law of believing" doctrine, is not actually in the book. That way he avoids having to confront that Wierwille's actual teaching on the subject is wrong, and any mistakes we made based on that wrong teaching were our fault, not his. Very convenient.

Jerry, You only thought PFAL was right. You never said it was perfect. Then you did something remarkable: You mastered it, warts and all. And you found warts! And helped a whole lot of people in the process. I get too much credit for what YOU started. I salute you, sir.

Ok, I confess. It describes me. :)

Oh please! (Just kidding. Ignore feature is on. :) )

I try not to call the storms "hurricanes" or "tropical storms" in the thread title because the status of the storm may change. In this case, thank God, it probably won't.

I specifically told people I did not expect to get the promotion I eventually got. If believing were a law governed by how you speak, it would not matter whether I believed it was a law or not. I should not have gotten that job. But I did. Praise God.

WTH: The reason believing works is that God is faithful. The reason the "law of" believing doesn't work is not what people say about it, but its lack of existence in the first place. Evan put it best: it's what and whom we believe that makes it work. Confidence, enthusiasm, determination, perseverance: all are admirable qualities, and they will get you far. But they are not "believing."

I see templelady posted one of Mike's rants about how woe is he because he keeps getting challenged, and wondering how long it will take for me or Belle to hit unignore. Hey, I reserve the right to read people quoting you, dude. Let me say that there is no temptation whatsoever to hit unignore, so you'll be waiting a long, long time for that. Let me also say that you've never adequately dealt with any criticism or critique with anything other than lies, evasions, dodgings, distractions...

Not that there's anything wrong with that...

The final death toll from New Orleans is 964, and is not expected to rise any further. In Mississippi, it's 221. In all, not quite as low as Bill hoped, not nearly as high as I feared. Yes, rhino, you win the Greasespot Hat and T-Shirt award. Well done.

Umm, Allan, that IS Mike's one issue. I have no problem with your position. In fact, we could probably have a healthy and respectful discussion on the topics covered in those books. We may not always agree, but that's fine.