Raf

Yeah, I guess I stopped reading once Bilbo got the ring, since that was why I was looking at it in the first place. I read Flight to the Ford yesterday and was a few pages into Many Meetings, which is so much cooler than the movie. Frodo meets Gloin (which answered my earlier question about Gloin and Balin, although Gimli hasn't been introduced yet). I liked flight to the ford better in the movie only because they made it so much more clear that the stabbing of Frodo was a dangerous thing. In the book it's like, "Oh my, I've been stabbed. This hurts somewhat. Hey, wait, I can't move my arm. Is that tea you're making? Can you rub it on my shoulder? Thanks. There, much better. Whew." Only later do we learn the gravity of the stabbing. In the movie, it's like: FRODO: F-ING OWWWWWWW! Ack! SAM: What's the matter Mr. Frodo? FRODO: Gurgle. STRIDER: Oh s--t, Oh s--t, Oh s--t. MERRY: What's the matter? STRIDER: He's turning into one of them. We need to get him to Rivendell, which is six days away, but we need to get him there like an hour ago. If only there was an unbelievably hot Elf around who could ride a horse faster than the wind. ARWEN: Hello sailor. FRODO: Ugh! ARWEN: Oh s--t. Let's go!

MO is back! Hi MO!

Praise God! Merry Christmas everyone!

Def, You made my point for me. First you said... Then you said the person who called the council favored the Arian position at first. Does it sound like he called the council to put an end to the position he favored? Point is, the people in Invisible Dan's links are not Arians, but more like Sabellians, a whole different heresy. It doesn't bother me that you believe in the Trinity. I'm not out to change your mind. You've heard all the arguments already, as have I. God Bless You.

I skimmed The Hobbit, which I do intend to read in detail another time. Right now I just finished the chapter "A Knife in the Dark." It's amazing how "talky" these books are. I mean, The Fellowship of the Ring is a talky movie, so I figured the book would be even more so. I just didn't figure on Aragorn reciting an entire poem on Weathertop while everyone knows the Black Riders are on their way. :)-->

This had me in stitches today... The Two Towers Parody Return of the King Parody.

These people are not Arians, def. They believe Jesus Christ is God. The Council of Nicea was not formed to put a stop to Arianism. That was its result. Its purpose was to unify doctrine, which it did by establishing the divinity of Christ.

No need to apologize, good man. Next cup of coffee is on me.

Oakspear, Any NIV Study Bible will confirm what you just wrote. Raf

I don't know about that, P-Mosh. I watched it again yesterday and didn't notice any finger inconsistencies. It's in bandages when he wakes up and Gandalf is there. It's also very clearly a stump when he's finishing up his book. If you ever have a few months to kill, go to The Movie Mistakes Web Page. It should keep you busy for a little while. For example, a car could be seen in the distance in the scene in Fellowship where Frodo and Sam are leaving the Shire ("If I take one more step, it will be the farthest from home I've ever been"). They fixed it for the home video and DVD release. A fave mistake of mine is a little one: In the Two Towers, just before it looks like Pippin's about to get tramples by a horse, take a close look at his hands. They're unbound. A few seconds later, he crawls over and cuts the ropes off his bound hands. The scouring of the shire would have been a nice touch, but the telling of the tale was exhausting enough as it was. I put it in the same category as Tom Bombadil: You miss it if you know it belongs there, but for those of us who were unaware, it's not a big deal.

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You left out the most important part... How was the cawfee?

I'm almost certain they are the same characters, but I just want to make sure they're not different characters with the same name. I think it's cool if Gimli's father was part of Bilbo's original adventure.

Oh, I understand that LCM perceived an "it." I just think LCM manufactured it. That was my point.

Freeman, That quopte just bugs me. It would have been easy to handle "it" in a loving manner? What was "it?" As far as I can tell, there was no "it" that needed to be handled. LCM was just being an obnoxious bully. There was no "it" that needed handling here. See what I'm getting at? Anyway, that quote just nags me. Welcome to the cafe. Raf

Ok, they seem to have fixed the technical glitch. What I was going to ask was: Gimli is the son of Gloin, right? Is that the same Gloin that was in The Hobbit? And Gimli's cousin, Balin, who died in the Mines of Moria, was he in The Hobbit also? They say Peter Jackson finally caved and will film The Hobbit.

Cool stuff. experee-enc-eeng tecknakal trouble. Questuns later.

The day is young. :)-->

Yeah, You should have said "Largo-American."

Garth, That scene is in the movie. It's powerful as hell. Oakspear, Eowyn is in love with Aragorn. That's in the movie. Aragorn does not return her love. That's in the movie. Faramir falls for Eowyn, recuperating in the Way Woods, marrying after Theoden's burial: none of that is in the movie. Hopefully some of it will be in the extended dvd.

I think it's one thing to say that God designed marriage and, as such, marriage in theory should work best for those who are closest to God. It's quite another thing to say marriage is only for God's people, not for anyone else. Even in the Genesis account, Cain took a wife. God did not seem to discourage this activity.

For those who know: What are the differences between the movie and the book? Saruman's fate and the Scouring of the Shire are the two big ones most people mention. The confrontation with Shelob is supposed to be in The Two Towers, but they moved it to Return of the King (great move, by the way). Faramir is underplayed in the movie, but one of the most touching scenes is when Pippin sings for Denethor while Faramir is on a suicide mission. There's also a hint of some chemistry between him and Eowyn, but it's not explored at all. I hope the extended DVD gets further into that, if there's a "that" to get further into. Anyway, are there any other major departures?

I used the word "floored" once, in a whole different context. I was floored at hearing that it was a top CES person who told Georgio marriage was only for Christians. I'm still floored by that. And no, I do not support it. Non-Christians can marry. There's nothing uniquely Christian about marriage. As far as I am aware, there is no list of qualifications to perform a wedding ceremony in the Bible. A city clerk can do it. A justice of the peace can do it. Not too far from wear I'm working, you can do it at a drive thru. And it's legal. If someone wants me to perform a wedding, I will make sure they understand the nature of my legal qualification to do so, and let them decide whether it's what they really want. If it is, so be it. Well, it hasn't seemed like it over the last couple of days, but I'll take your word for it.

Sounds like TWI doubletalk to me. pthpthpthpth! Sorry, I misspelled that. I meant to say, check your pt, check your pt.

I remember three rings were given to the elves and that Galadriel was one of them. I didn't know Elrond was one of them.