Raf

Freeman, That quopte just bugs me. It would have been easy to handle "it" in a loving manner? What was "it?" As far as I can tell, there was no "it" that needed to be handled. LCM was just being an obnoxious bully. There was no "it" that needed handling here. See what I'm getting at? Anyway, that quote just nags me. Welcome to the cafe. Raf

Ok, they seem to have fixed the technical glitch. What I was going to ask was: Gimli is the son of Gloin, right? Is that the same Gloin that was in The Hobbit? And Gimli's cousin, Balin, who died in the Mines of Moria, was he in The Hobbit also? They say Peter Jackson finally caved and will film The Hobbit.

Cool stuff. experee-enc-eeng tecknakal trouble. Questuns later.

The day is young. :)-->

Yeah, You should have said "Largo-American."

Garth, That scene is in the movie. It's powerful as hell. Oakspear, Eowyn is in love with Aragorn. That's in the movie. Aragorn does not return her love. That's in the movie. Faramir falls for Eowyn, recuperating in the Way Woods, marrying after Theoden's burial: none of that is in the movie. Hopefully some of it will be in the extended dvd.

I think it's one thing to say that God designed marriage and, as such, marriage in theory should work best for those who are closest to God. It's quite another thing to say marriage is only for God's people, not for anyone else. Even in the Genesis account, Cain took a wife. God did not seem to discourage this activity.

For those who know: What are the differences between the movie and the book? Saruman's fate and the Scouring of the Shire are the two big ones most people mention. The confrontation with Shelob is supposed to be in The Two Towers, but they moved it to Return of the King (great move, by the way). Faramir is underplayed in the movie, but one of the most touching scenes is when Pippin sings for Denethor while Faramir is on a suicide mission. There's also a hint of some chemistry between him and Eowyn, but it's not explored at all. I hope the extended DVD gets further into that, if there's a "that" to get further into. Anyway, are there any other major departures?

I used the word "floored" once, in a whole different context. I was floored at hearing that it was a top CES person who told Georgio marriage was only for Christians. I'm still floored by that. And no, I do not support it. Non-Christians can marry. There's nothing uniquely Christian about marriage. As far as I am aware, there is no list of qualifications to perform a wedding ceremony in the Bible. A city clerk can do it. A justice of the peace can do it. Not too far from wear I'm working, you can do it at a drive thru. And it's legal. If someone wants me to perform a wedding, I will make sure they understand the nature of my legal qualification to do so, and let them decide whether it's what they really want. If it is, so be it. Well, it hasn't seemed like it over the last couple of days, but I'll take your word for it.

Sounds like TWI doubletalk to me. pthpthpthpth! Sorry, I misspelled that. I meant to say, check your pt, check your pt.

I remember three rings were given to the elves and that Galadriel was one of them. I didn't know Elrond was one of them.

Weren't you walking away from this thread?

STRS, Actually, I was going to make the same joke. Difference is, I don't walk around calling myself "reverend" the way someone walked around calling himself "doctor." I don't pretend to be ordained the way he pretended to be a researcher. Why are you befuddled? --- I see you edited your post. I do not perform weddings as a "goof." I got the ordination as a goof. A close friend asked me to perform her wedding, I said I couldn't because of the ordination issue, and did a little research into it. I found out that getting ordained is, in the eyes of the law, remarkably easy. I checked it out and, sure enough, was ordained within 10 minutes. I thought it was funny. Months after telling that story, two other friends were getting married and asked me to perform the ceremony. After a long discussion weighing why they would want such a thing, I agreed. I was honored to do it. But the decision was not made lightly. And I don't care whether you approve or not.

No, I'm not a Reverend. I have no formal ordination from anyone, TWI, offshoot or anything. I did get an ordination from the Universal Life Church, which is one of those internet ordination mills. I did that half as a goof, but it is legal and I can perform weddings. I've performed one so far. [This message was edited by Rafael 1969 on December 18, 2003 at 17:16.]

Nah, I figure by this time they'll just have to DEAL with spoilers. :)--> I knew Gollum was going to pop up again after his fight with Frodo (which was awesome, by the way). And the look of pure joy on his face when he finally got the ring back was incredibly done. I will see it again and again and again.

pleeeease forgives us, precious, steve! we begs of you, we asks on our knees. We swears to grovel before the master of the precious. We swears on, on, the precious!

I didn't know Elrond had a ring.

Georgio, I have to say that I am astonished at your account. Absolutely floored. Vickles, I'm afraid you have the wrong impression: I never said I liked the name change. In fact, it means very little to me. Someone else asked "why change the name at all?" The reason they gave is that they wanted it to be clear in the name that they were a "church," and "Christian Educational Services" doesn't convey that message. Also, vick, I'm not saying that these things have not happened. I specifically said maybe I haven't heard of them because my involvement in CES is relatively light. If I were more closely allied with them, they might "require" more of me. Your note of caution is appreciated.

This thread is for people who have seen the movie or do not care if key plot points are revealed. If you haven't seen the movie and you want to be surprised when you get to the theater, stop reading now. Move on to another thread. *********************************************** For those that are still here, this movie is just unimaginably cool. Eowyn's confrontation with the Witch King ("I am no man!"), Pippin's growth as a character (he damn near steals the movie, particularly when he sings: it is beautiful and moving), a battle sequence that makes Helm's Deep look like a dry run, and the crowning of Aragorn. My personal favorite moment (out of so many) is when the newly crowned Aragorn looks at Frodo and says, "You bow to no one," and proceeds to bow, along with the entire kingdom of Gondor, before Frodo and the Hobbits. I literally cried. I still miss Boromir.

Seriously, there were so many unimaginably cool moments throughout the movie that I'm going to have to start a separate spoiler thread so that I don't ruin it for anyone. Without spoiling anything for anyone, Pippin rocks! All hail Pippin!

Okay, I don't know if this is a spoiler or not, so, be forewarned if you, like me, are one of those who has not read the books... Still here? Good. I need to apologize to dizzydog and Steve! for jumping on them about the third elven ring. Turns out they simply don't mention it in Return of the King, and therefore, you didn't ruin anything. Mea culpa.

Holy God. Sorry, I hiccupped.

Now that I've had a good night's sleep to digest this incredibly amazing astonishing masterpiece of a movie that never ends... WOW! Holy God! WOW! There, I'm done.

So much I've never heard of before: Marriage is just for Christians? I don't recall ever hearing that from anyone at any time. I won't officiate your wedding unless you join CES? Well, ask Steve! and chinson how I feel about that. Sign this form if you want to be a fellowship coordinator? They've sent me no such form. All of this may be because I don't associate myself with CES at the highest involvement level. But I'm surprised to hear a lot of this stuff. Galen, Some of the things you cited sound like they are motivated out of a pure heart but can too easily be abused or lead to rampant legalism. I pray CES as an organization (or STFI or whatever) has the integrity to resist the temptation that is certain to come of those efforts. Is the new name more culty? I'm not really all that comfortable with it yet. Waiting for it to grow on me. SRTS: If you're going to ask me something, ask me something. If you're going to walk away from the thread, walk away from the thread. Can't have it both ways.

Holy God. Holy, Holy God. Wow. It was... Oh my God. Oh my Holy God.