Another reality check is to wake up one morning and realize that the "abundant life" that was promised to you, consists of a used car, a rented apartment, no money in the bank, no health insurance...but plenty of squeegies in the closet. :D-->
It is my opinion that some of the people who remain in TWI are selfish and cowardly.
Selfish because they have chosen to remain out of close contact with friends, relatives and family and have chosen to fail to plan ahead for their children's future. Selfish in failing to plan and save for a secure retirement for their spouse. Selfish in hiding their heads in the sand and not facing reality about the serious problems that are contained within TWI, ignoring the "elephant in the room." Pretending that they and their family are living a blessed and orderly lifestyle within the peaceful and secure walls of the household. Selfishly pretending that The Word is over the world providing a reason to ignore the needs of their fellow man on the street because he is not of the caliber that TWI is looking for as a recruit. Selfilhly ignoring real charity and charitable causes and true good works in favor of pretending to make a difference by being a member of TWI.
Also it is my opinion that many of them are cowardly or full of fear as well. Afraid to dare to break out of the mold they are in and to try something different for a change. Afraid to go out at their age and make a living in the world they fear belongs to the adversary. Afraid they are too old. Afraid to fail. Afraid to tell their spouse or children how they really feel about TWI for fear of divorce or estrangement. Afraid of going into GOOD DEBT, afraid of acting at cross purposes with what they think is The Words Way when a REALITY CHECK shows all along it has been The Ways Word .
What a sad, sad way to live and go to the grave. Abundant Life? I do not think so.
What a sad, sad way to live and go to the grave. Abundant Life? I do not think so.
In the early 80s, the Way Credit Union was open for business and helped many hq staffers with mortgage loans and such. Several of these staffers still reside in their New Knoxville, New Bremen, St. Marys, Wapakoneta & Minster homes. Of course, they work at wayworld and their kids are sheltered in rural Ohio.....and probably, have a decent living. All it takes is compartmentalizing one's thoughts.......and by ignoring the hypocrisy of lcm-doctrine, adultery, lawsuits, slander, blackmail and all, these staffers can just do their work and go home.
On the field......there is a totally different set of realities!!! This is why so many corps and others exit twi when these reality checks OUTWEIGH denial. There is no escaping the realities of everyday life when one is driving a broken car, working in a place that is masquerading as a career, rushing home to get ready for a home fellowship, eating cereal to save time, and putting on a smile for the evening...of which, only three people come. Abundant life? C'mon, get real. -->
And, with each passing year......the window of opportunity closes a little bit more. And that's why some of those staffers at hq stay deeply entrenched in their own little job. It's a pathetic existence.....but hey, there are parasites everywhere living off their hosts.
All it takes is compartmentalizing one's thoughts.......and by ignoring the hypocrisy of lcm-doctrine, adultery, lawsuits, slander, blackmail and all, these staffers can just do their work and go home.
You know what? That's EXACTLY what our RC told us he does to deal with things. He compartmentalizes everything and it makes it so much easier to deal with the lawsuits, injustices and lies. Now I fully understand what he meant. I never got the "compartmentalize" technique or how you do that. If something's bugging me, it's bugging me and I can't ignore it.
John, you're right that there is fear and selfishness involved with many staying. I think some realize it's not what they pretend it is but they are too embarrassed or egotistical to admit that they made a mistake or were taken advantage of. Pity because as more people they "think" they love leave TWI or get kicked out for being too high maintenance, they are faced with a very lonely life.
Skyrider, it is a pathetic existence. They have no idea what they're missing. I wish I had realized it so much longer ago! :D-->
Because TWI folks live in a reality that includes what happens in all eternity. i.e. spiritual realities. It has a big consideration.
What happens in eternity, from a biblical perspective, is far different than what we experience here in the U.S., i.e. what we need to do for retirement, what we need to do with family, etc. etc.
Think about it ... in eternity we will be in subjection to one God, one Lord, we will be taking orders, or put mildly, gladly following precepts from one source.
Sound familiar?
When we became Christians, we bought into this concept didn't we?
Some of us hung around twi for 10, 15, 20, 25, 30 years. We liked it.
So why do some think it so bad, or cultish, that folks think this way?
Jesus Christ is reality.
For all I know, there may be some folks in twi that live in a greater reality than I, where God and Christ in concerned. I'm not in their shoes.
What you described is very nice oldies....It HAD to be, as it was the bait that attracted us.
None of what you described is bad, but the reality of what was going in spite of your *perception* was far different.
What folks think is SO bad, and SO cultish is when folks were required to obey leadership, required to sexually service the mog, required to abort wanted babies....required tithe, required outreach, required roomates....ect. in order to remain in good standing, required to abandon family members who were deemed unworthey.....required to cover for criminal activity....the list of *cultish* behaviors are endless, and the fact that some enjoyed themselves for 10, 15, 20 years in spite of the trauma the rest of the flock endured at twi`s hands, makes their *reality* in deed, actually a fantasy.
No matter what kind of *God* and Jesus* labels you put on the evil behavior.
Hey, glad that SOME had a good time....but no matter how much one enjoyed themselves, no matter which labels they utilized to justify and blind themselves to their bretherens plights.....that does not make it reality.
For all I know, there may be some folks in twi that live in a greater reality than I, where God and Christ in concerned. I'm not in their shoes.
Maybe, we'd better define our terms before continuing?
In Webster's college dictionary.......reality check is an instance of confronting or acknowledging the facts about something and thus dispelling unrealistic notions or expectations.
Oldies.....are you changing from FACTS ABOUT SOMETHING to spiritual truths or concerns? Does "a greater reality" consist of spiritual integrity? What are you saying?
If you desire to talk about eternity.....then, by all means, start another thread. Thanks. ;)-->
Sure...I don't mind including "eternity" on a reality check thread.
Eternity?...According to the bible, Christians are given eternal life. Twi has turned the perception of "eternity" into part of their "carrot on a stick" program. Sell our product and God will give you "rewards" once you hit the shores of eternity...part of the "spiritual competition"...twi does nothing without strings attached. There is no unconditional love with trying to pile up "rewards" for yourself. God's gift of eternal life was turned into a marketing scheme by twi...it was also used as an excuse to sin (I'm saved, what the hay)...
...And furthermore...the parable of the good steward illustrates that we are not to ignore the "temporal" matters of life, such as having a home and planning for the future and having health insurance, etc. etc. Twi teaches that we should not be concerned with our lives here upon earth, because afterall, we're all going to heaven anyway...No, we should not be concerned with our personal lives...we should be concerned with the furtherance of twi's agenda! BS!!!...They try to justify a lot of abusive treatment by invoking the name of "eternity"...shame on them.
Yeah....invoking the name of "eternity" to justify actions and abuse.
Yeah....invoking godly service by "blessing the mog" with sexual favors.
Yeah....invoking the "reaping of rewards" to promote faithfulness to twi and pfal.
Yeah....invoking "rightly-dividing the word" and yet, sinning like a trooper.
Reality checks of hard facts to the contrary help break the self-hypnotic state of waybrain. Facts can be analyzed and expectations drawn to arrive at good, sound judgements.
There is no unconditional love with trying to pile up "rewards" for yourself. God's gift of eternal life was turned into a marketing scheme by twi...it was also used as an excuse to sin (I'm saved, what the hay)...
UncleHairy, here you disparage folks in twi by your false accusations of what you think went on in people's hearts.
I'm so glad I don't think like you.
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Facts can be analyzed and expectations drawn to arrive at good, sound judgements.
Skyrider, that's true only if you analyze and conceptualize ALL OF THE FACTS, not just the ones you predetermine are worthy of consideration and throw out other facts that you don't care about including.
Skyrider, that's true only if you analyze and conceptualize ALL OF THE FACTS, not just the ones you predetermine are worthy of consideration and throw out other facts that you don't care about including.
... was turned into a marketing scheme by twi...it was also used as an excuse to sin (I'm saved, what the hay)...
UncleHairy, here you disparage folks in twi by your false accusations of what you think went on in people's hearts.
Oldies,
The statement above is not a false accusation.(I'm saved, what the hay) I was in TWI for much longer than you and I saw this happen. It was the air many breathed. Deny it if you want, but I know what I saw. I believe this attitude came from NaziMOG himself.
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Facts can be analyzed and expectations drawn to arrive at good, sound judgements.
Skyrider, that's true only if you analyze and conceptualize ALL OF THE FACTS, not just the ones you predetermine are worthy of consideration and throw out other facts that you don't care about including.
Until GSC, I never KNEW ALL THE FACTS ABOUT TWI.(and they weren't telling everything.) So I guess my "good' thoughts while I was "in" weren't really worthy of consideration...
Facts can be analyzed and expectations drawn to arrive at good, sound judgements.
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Skyrider, that's true only if you analyze and conceptualize ALL OF THE FACTS, not just the ones you predetermine are worthy of consideration and throw out other facts that you don't care about including.
So, Oldies.......you're saying that's true only if you analyze and conceptualize ALL OF THE FACTS????? When you say "ALL" ... do you mean "ALL"??
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The reality checks I encountered in WayWorld always went uncashed, well, until that last one...
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From what I've read here at GS, I wonder if the Thxrpes and L@llys encountered these reality checks as well???
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Another reality check is to wake up one morning and realize that the "abundant life" that was promised to you, consists of a used car, a rented apartment, no money in the bank, no health insurance...but plenty of squeegies in the closet.
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It is my opinion that some of the people who remain in TWI are selfish and cowardly.
Selfish because they have chosen to remain out of close contact with friends, relatives and family and have chosen to fail to plan ahead for their children's future. Selfish in failing to plan and save for a secure retirement for their spouse. Selfish in hiding their heads in the sand and not facing reality about the serious problems that are contained within TWI, ignoring the "elephant in the room." Pretending that they and their family are living a blessed and orderly lifestyle within the peaceful and secure walls of the household. Selfishly pretending that The Word is over the world providing a reason to ignore the needs of their fellow man on the street because he is not of the caliber that TWI is looking for as a recruit. Selfilhly ignoring real charity and charitable causes and true good works in favor of pretending to make a difference by being a member of TWI.
Also it is my opinion that many of them are cowardly or full of fear as well. Afraid to dare to break out of the mold they are in and to try something different for a change. Afraid to go out at their age and make a living in the world they fear belongs to the adversary. Afraid they are too old. Afraid to fail. Afraid to tell their spouse or children how they really feel about TWI for fear of divorce or estrangement. Afraid of going into GOOD DEBT, afraid of acting at cross purposes with what they think is The Words Way when a REALITY CHECK shows all along it has been The Ways Word .
What a sad, sad way to live and go to the grave. Abundant Life? I do not think so.
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In the early 80s, the Way Credit Union was open for business and helped many hq staffers with mortgage loans and such. Several of these staffers still reside in their New Knoxville, New Bremen, St. Marys, Wapakoneta & Minster homes. Of course, they work at wayworld and their kids are sheltered in rural Ohio.....and probably, have a decent living. All it takes is compartmentalizing one's thoughts.......and by ignoring the hypocrisy of lcm-doctrine, adultery, lawsuits, slander, blackmail and all, these staffers can just do their work and go home.
On the field......there is a totally different set of realities!!! This is why so many corps and others exit twi when these reality checks OUTWEIGH denial. There is no escaping the realities of everyday life when one is driving a broken car, working in a place that is masquerading as a career, rushing home to get ready for a home fellowship, eating cereal to save time, and putting on a smile for the evening...of which, only three people come. Abundant life? C'mon, get real.
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And, with each passing year......the window of opportunity closes a little bit more. And that's why some of those staffers at hq stay deeply entrenched in their own little job. It's a pathetic existence.....but hey, there are parasites everywhere living off their hosts.
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You know what? That's EXACTLY what our RC told us he does to deal with things. He compartmentalizes everything and it makes it so much easier to deal with the lawsuits, injustices and lies. Now I fully understand what he meant. I never got the "compartmentalize" technique or how you do that. If something's bugging me, it's bugging me and I can't ignore it.
John, you're right that there is fear and selfishness involved with many staying. I think some realize it's not what they pretend it is but they are too embarrassed or egotistical to admit that they made a mistake or were taken advantage of. Pity because as more people they "think" they love leave TWI or get kicked out for being too high maintenance, they are faced with a very lonely life.
Skyrider, it is a pathetic existence. They have no idea what they're missing. I wish I had realized it so much longer ago!
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Belle, that is it....nobody wants to face the reality that they have been *wrong* their entire adult life.
To have to reassess ones whole universe...who they are ...what is truth....what is important...where do I belong, is daunting.
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I've thought about this some.
Why is twi reality different from ours?
Because TWI folks live in a reality that includes what happens in all eternity. i.e. spiritual realities. It has a big consideration.
What happens in eternity, from a biblical perspective, is far different than what we experience here in the U.S., i.e. what we need to do for retirement, what we need to do with family, etc. etc.
Think about it ... in eternity we will be in subjection to one God, one Lord, we will be taking orders, or put mildly, gladly following precepts from one source.
Sound familiar?
When we became Christians, we bought into this concept didn't we?
Some of us hung around twi for 10, 15, 20, 25, 30 years. We liked it.
So why do some think it so bad, or cultish, that folks think this way?
Jesus Christ is reality.
For all I know, there may be some folks in twi that live in a greater reality than I, where God and Christ in concerned. I'm not in their shoes.
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What you described is very nice oldies....It HAD to be, as it was the bait that attracted us.
None of what you described is bad, but the reality of what was going in spite of your *perception* was far different.
What folks think is SO bad, and SO cultish is when folks were required to obey leadership, required to sexually service the mog, required to abort wanted babies....required tithe, required outreach, required roomates....ect. in order to remain in good standing, required to abandon family members who were deemed unworthey.....required to cover for criminal activity....the list of *cultish* behaviors are endless, and the fact that some enjoyed themselves for 10, 15, 20 years in spite of the trauma the rest of the flock endured at twi`s hands, makes their *reality* in deed, actually a fantasy.
No matter what kind of *God* and Jesus* labels you put on the evil behavior.
Hey, glad that SOME had a good time....but no matter how much one enjoyed themselves, no matter which labels they utilized to justify and blind themselves to their bretherens plights.....that does not make it reality.
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Maybe, we'd better define our terms before continuing?
In Webster's college dictionary.......reality check is an instance of confronting or acknowledging the facts about something and thus dispelling unrealistic notions or expectations.
Oldies.....are you changing from FACTS ABOUT SOMETHING to spiritual truths or concerns? Does "a greater reality" consist of spiritual integrity? What are you saying?
If you desire to talk about eternity.....then, by all means, start another thread. Thanks.
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What's wrong with talking about eternity in a thread about reality checks?
Hmmm?
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Look at the definition from above.
Its fairly explanatory, isn't it?
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Sure...I don't mind including "eternity" on a reality check thread.
Eternity?...According to the bible, Christians are given eternal life. Twi has turned the perception of "eternity" into part of their "carrot on a stick" program. Sell our product and God will give you "rewards" once you hit the shores of eternity...part of the "spiritual competition"...twi does nothing without strings attached. There is no unconditional love with trying to pile up "rewards" for yourself. God's gift of eternal life was turned into a marketing scheme by twi...it was also used as an excuse to sin (I'm saved, what the hay)...
...And furthermore...the parable of the good steward illustrates that we are not to ignore the "temporal" matters of life, such as having a home and planning for the future and having health insurance, etc. etc. Twi teaches that we should not be concerned with our lives here upon earth, because afterall, we're all going to heaven anyway...No, we should not be concerned with our personal lives...we should be concerned with the furtherance of twi's agenda! BS!!!...They try to justify a lot of abusive treatment by invoking the name of "eternity"...shame on them.
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Yeah....invoking the name of "eternity" to justify actions and abuse.
Yeah....invoking godly service by "blessing the mog" with sexual favors.
Yeah....invoking the "reaping of rewards" to promote faithfulness to twi and pfal.
Yeah....invoking "rightly-dividing the word" and yet, sinning like a trooper.
Reality checks of hard facts to the contrary help break the self-hypnotic state of waybrain. Facts can be analyzed and expectations drawn to arrive at good, sound judgements.
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I'm so glad I don't think like you.
Skyrider, that's true only if you analyze and conceptualize ALL OF THE FACTS, not just the ones you predetermine are worthy of consideration and throw out other facts that you don't care about including.Link to comment
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Oldies, and your not in twi right now because why?
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Oldies......and what facts are those?
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S`kindda funny oldies, you of all folks accusing anyone of throwing away facts....lol
Any time real facts interfere with your perception of *reality* you brand them, and those who present them as lies.
....lol talk about the pot calling the kettle black.
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Until GSC, I never KNEW ALL THE FACTS ABOUT TWI.(and they weren't telling everything.) So I guess my "good' thoughts while I was "in" weren't really worthy of consideration...
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So, Oldies.......you're saying that's true only if you analyze and conceptualize ALL OF THE FACTS????? When you say "ALL" ... do you mean "ALL"??
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OM - sheesh, GIVE IT UP.
Are you posting from an office in the OSC?
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Hiya Keynote, good to see you posting again!
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