That is quite a website. It looks like a similar layout for a number of different cults.
I have no idea who put it up. It looks like it was done with a bot or LLM tool. For every claim they state they cite a source. So even if some of the claims seem exaggerated they literally have a source where a leader or account verifies the statement.
This type of activity is a great counter to the whitewash movement. With sources for everything it is protected legally as well as it shows what really occurred as opposed to a leaders spin on what occurred.
In other words, this website is a great model for TWI where they could learn about footnotes, bibliographies, and other modern methods in the publishing and academic industries. You know, the things missing from all of VPs “research”.
The website also with footnotes make it harder for the TWI leadership to deny claims and justify actions.
I have no idea who put it up. It looks like it was done with a bot or LLM tool. For every claim they state they cite a source. So even if some of the claims seem exaggerated they literally have a source where a leader or account verifies the statement.
Intriguing insight. Yes, my first impression was that it took a LOT of work to put it together. My second impression was that much of it could be exaggerated. Then again, maybe that was my first impression and that it took a lot of work was second.
Your insight, that it's likely whoever put it together, did so with AI, seems very intriguing.
You probably hit the nail on the head as far as what they could learn about how to more honestly handle "research." Will they? Maybe once they get people who know how to use the new AI chatbots.
Then again, maybe not.
My hunch is they'll see if their lawyers can figure out a way to get the page about them taken down before they get to the acceptance stage and decide to revamp the HQ corporate culture.
On what grounds would their lawyers try to take it down?
It’s not the only website/blog/podcast/stack/archive that makes the demonstrable claim that TWI, founded by the charlatan victor paul wierwille, is a cult. Also, First Amendment.
I admit a failure of imagination on my part, but I’m open-minded.
If the key word is “try,” then yeah, lawyers might gladly bill for hours to try.
Yes, that IS the key word. I certainly wouldn't venture a guess on any legal theory they might advance. Even if I had a guess, I wouldn't tell them.
Further, I would surmise they WILL have such a conversation with their legal advocates well before they'll reach the acceptance stage and resign themselves to having to address any lingering deficiencies in their practices. Imagine the kind of resistance to change Stephen King wrote into his alternative history novel 11.22.63 to demonstrate the past's resistance to Jake Amberson's efforts to change it.
So, the more we ponder this cult facts website, can we be more certain it was generated by an AI?
And will this computer science professor inadvertently provide TWI lawyers with legal theories on which to litigate over the matter?
It's hard to say right now.
As to being able to recognize the site was built using AI, I think back to 9/11/2001. When the first plane hit the first WTC tower, it wasn't immediately certain it was an act of terrorism. After the second plane hit the second tower, it was easy to infer it had been a coordinated terrorist attack.
I don't consider THIS (development of the cult facts website) to be a coordinated terrorist attack, but it's probably fair to surmise each of the cults included on the website will characterize it as such????
But heuristics and epistemology have been problematic for ages. Someone asserts a claim of fact. How do you know? I saw it on (insert social media of choice).
"John 10:10; therefore, there must be keys."
Huh?
Yeah, victor paul wierwille said so.
Oooooohhhhhh.... well, in that case...it MUST be true. Quick! Someone post this non sequitur to Facebook! Post it twice to establish it.
IDGAF how TWI characterizes that website or this one. I characterize TWI and victor paul wierwille as terrorists.
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That is quite a website. It looks like a similar layout for a number of different cults.
I have no idea who put it up. It looks like it was done with a bot or LLM tool. For every claim they state they cite a source. So even if some of the claims seem exaggerated they literally have a source where a leader or account verifies the statement.
This type of activity is a great counter to the whitewash movement. With sources for everything it is protected legally as well as it shows what really occurred as opposed to a leaders spin on what occurred.
In other words, this website is a great model for TWI where they could learn about footnotes, bibliographies, and other modern methods in the publishing and academic industries. You know, the things missing from all of VPs “research”.
The website also with footnotes make it harder for the TWI leadership to deny claims and justify actions.
Every claim made is substantiated by a footnote.
Wow, what an earth shattering idea.
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Intriguing insight. Yes, my first impression was that it took a LOT of work to put it together. My second impression was that much of it could be exaggerated. Then again, maybe that was my first impression and that it took a lot of work was second.
Wired dot com says Large language models (LLM tools) like AI chatbots seem to be everywhere. If you understand them better, you can use them better.
Your insight, that it's likely whoever put it together, did so with AI, seems very intriguing.
You probably hit the nail on the head as far as what they could learn about how to more honestly handle "research." Will they? Maybe once they get people who know how to use the new AI chatbots.
Then again, maybe not.
My hunch is they'll see if their lawyers can figure out a way to get the page about them taken down before they get to the acceptance stage and decide to revamp the HQ corporate culture.
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On what grounds would their lawyers try to take it down?
It’s not the only website/blog/podcast/stack/archive that makes the demonstrable claim that TWI, founded by the charlatan victor paul wierwille, is a cult. Also, First Amendment.
I admit a failure of imagination on my part, but I’m open-minded.
If the key word is “try,” then yeah, lawyers might gladly bill for hours to try.
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Yes, that IS the key word. I certainly wouldn't venture a guess on any legal theory they might advance. Even if I had a guess, I wouldn't tell them.
Further, I would surmise they WILL have such a conversation with their legal advocates well before they'll reach the acceptance stage and resign themselves to having to address any lingering deficiencies in their practices. Imagine the kind of resistance to change Stephen King wrote into his alternative history novel 11.22.63 to demonstrate the past's resistance to Jake Amberson's efforts to change it.
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This one was easy for me:
"The Way reportedly teaches that members will suffer harm or death if they go into debt"
Here's one from me:
"The Way reportedly teaches that members will suffer harm or death if they do not tithe or abs."
It can scare the living crap out of someone who takes this seriously.
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I can see the court interaction now.
“That site is inaccurate and slanderous”.
Judge: “Every statement on the website has a footnoted source. Which is more than you can say for your main class PFAL”
Lol
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So, the more we ponder this cult facts website, can we be more certain it was generated by an AI?
And will this computer science professor inadvertently provide TWI lawyers with legal theories on which to litigate over the matter?
It's hard to say right now.
As to being able to recognize the site was built using AI, I think back to 9/11/2001. When the first plane hit the first WTC tower, it wasn't immediately certain it was an act of terrorism. After the second plane hit the second tower, it was easy to infer it had been a coordinated terrorist attack.
I don't consider THIS (development of the cult facts website) to be a coordinated terrorist attack, but it's probably fair to surmise each of the cults included on the website will characterize it as such????
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It's one of the risks of AI. How does one know?
But heuristics and epistemology have been problematic for ages. Someone asserts a claim of fact. How do you know? I saw it on (insert social media of choice).
"John 10:10; therefore, there must be keys."
Huh?
Yeah, victor paul wierwille said so.
Oooooohhhhhh.... well, in that case...it MUST be true. Quick! Someone post this non sequitur to Facebook! Post it twice to establish it.
IDGAF how TWI characterizes that website or this one. I characterize TWI and victor paul wierwille as terrorists.
Hey! I didn't write the book.
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