don't know if this comment counts .... not trying to be critical .... but if you ask to see people's recent posts.... it brings up their posts from years ago....
Geeezz! Give Paw and his administrators *some* credit, willya? :D-->
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Paw, so in other words, it might be a good idea for us to get up out of our chairs, walk outside, and do real people things for at least a couple of hours!
HONEST! This is not sour grapes on my part, BUT, in my limited technical opinion, what messes up the search engine is the moving of threads from their original location.
Before the many moving of threads occured (not just mine) the search engine worked fine.
If the new software does not include periodic REindexing capabilities, then the search engine may deteriorate again when threads are moved.
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Suggestion: If reindexing is NOT available, a thread could be "moved" by locking up the original "offending" ;)--> thread, allowing it to slide down the chart, and re-starting a copy of it in the desired location.
A simple notice after the last post in the original could have a link to the new location.
quote:Indexing will run in the background and for most sites will finish within a few hours. Large site indexing will complete by the end of Tuesday.
The indexing is running, in spite of Mike, and should be done soon. You should see correct indexing for Today currently and the rest in the next day or so.
Sarcasm is a form of simple irony, but irony itself can be (and usually is) more complex, including all sorts of incongruities and paradoxes, which may or may not be sarcastically communicated. If there is a discrepency between words and their meanings, that is irony.
I spent a bit of time researching the difference, and irony is "little sarcasm" - irony is when there is a discrepancy between words and their meanings, like you say, but sarcasm is more conceptual. It has more to do with the overall concept of the entire passage.
It's ironic to say, "I really like your dress" when your meaning is "I really DON'T like your dress!".
It's sarcasm when there are discrepancies between words and meanings, but the comment is regarding the whole passage. Satire uses sarcasm.
Not to intrude on the figures of speech seminar going on, but there has been a problem with the search function and infopop is looking into it. Until it is finished, the search function is not working.
When it comes to literary definitions, they aren't as absolute as, say, the definitions of Greek words in PFAL. Having said that, you're not giving irony enough credit. For instance, there's situational irony, like when it rains the day you wash your car. There's irony in, say, a computer technician lecturing a poet on the meaning of irony; or, say, a physics major who can't figure out how to change a flat tire. There's irony in an all-powerful God who can't alleviate human suffering. There's Socratic irony, where one simulates ignorance in a discussion, in order to trap the other person in error. In fact, that was the beginning of irony, as a literary form, not that there wasn't plenty of irony before then. It just wasn't recognized as such because it didn't follow a form.
Discrepancies between words and meanings, between actions and results, between appearance and reality -- are all ironic without necessarily being sarcastic.
All sarcasm is irony, but not all irony is sarcastic. In fact, irony is often more subtle, more polished, more complex than simple sarcasm.
Satire most definitely employs sarcasm, but even satire is a highly artistic form. Any jerk can be sarcastic. You don't have to have any aesthetic sense to be sarcastic. But there's an artistry to satire. A satirist is a keeper of standards. He takes it upon himself to ridicule other people's follies and vices, insisting they uphold a civilized norm.
"Satire is a sort of glass wherein beholders do generally discover everybody's face but their own, which is the chief reason for the kind of reception it meets in the world, and that so very few are offended with it." (Jonathan Swift)
"Satire is born of the instinct to protest; it is protest become art." (Ian Jack)
Yo, Paw, buzz off if you can't find something literate to say. . . said with sarcasm, or is it irony?
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RottieGrrrl
COOL! Sounds almost as cool as AOL 9.0!
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Paw,
Glad to hear about a new search engine. The current one is pretty poor, IMO. It doesn't do what you tell it to do in some cases!!
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don't know if this comment counts .... not trying to be critical .... but if you ask to see people's recent posts.... it brings up their posts from years ago....
sowwy
i know, i'm nosey. what can i tell you ?
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Ex,
That's the search engine doing that. You can try refining the search and get a little better results but it's still screwy.
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excathedra
thanks sudo
hey have you been to the devil site lately ?
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Geeezz! Give Paw and his administrators *some* credit, willya?
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((ducking))
Paw, so in other words, it might be a good idea for us to get up out of our chairs, walk outside, and do real people things for at least a couple of hours!
Right?
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Ex,
The J-Dubs?? Yeah.. I posted there just yesterday. Interesting how cults can be so similar.
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Excathedra,
How I remember WayDale where you couldn't search at all!
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HONEST! This is not sour grapes on my part, BUT, in my limited technical opinion, what messes up the search engine is the moving of threads from their original location.
Before the many moving of threads occured (not just mine) the search engine worked fine.
If the new software does not include periodic REindexing capabilities, then the search engine may deteriorate again when threads are moved.
***
Suggestion: If reindexing is NOT available, a thread could be "moved" by locking up the original "offending"
;)--> thread, allowing it to slide down the chart, and re-starting a copy of it in the desired location.
A simple notice after the last post in the original could have a link to the new location.
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Steve!
Mike, it's such a shame you gave up your career as a brain surgeon.
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Tom Strange
Is this thing happening now?
I tried to "search recent posts" a few minutes ago and it came up empty.
Steve!... is that sarcasm???
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The indexing is running, in spite of Mike, and should be done soon. You should see correct indexing for Today currently and the rest in the next day or so.
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Well, OddTom, in this case, "irony" would be more appropriate, but yes, most people would call it sarcasm.
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Steve!,
Sarcasm is a form of simple irony, but irony itself can be (and usually is) more complex, including all sorts of incongruities and paradoxes, which may or may not be sarcastically communicated. If there is a discrepency between words and their meanings, that is irony.
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Laleo -
I spent a bit of time researching the difference, and irony is "little sarcasm" - irony is when there is a discrepancy between words and their meanings, like you say, but sarcasm is more conceptual. It has more to do with the overall concept of the entire passage.
It's ironic to say, "I really like your dress" when your meaning is "I really DON'T like your dress!".
It's sarcasm when there are discrepancies between words and meanings, but the comment is regarding the whole passage. Satire uses sarcasm.
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Not to intrude on the figures of speech seminar going on, but there has been a problem with the search function and infopop is looking into it. Until it is finished, the search function is not working.
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Steve!,
When it comes to literary definitions, they aren't as absolute as, say, the definitions of Greek words in PFAL. Having said that, you're not giving irony enough credit. For instance, there's situational irony, like when it rains the day you wash your car. There's irony in, say, a computer technician lecturing a poet on the meaning of irony; or, say, a physics major who can't figure out how to change a flat tire. There's irony in an all-powerful God who can't alleviate human suffering. There's Socratic irony, where one simulates ignorance in a discussion, in order to trap the other person in error. In fact, that was the beginning of irony, as a literary form, not that there wasn't plenty of irony before then. It just wasn't recognized as such because it didn't follow a form.
Discrepancies between words and meanings, between actions and results, between appearance and reality -- are all ironic without necessarily being sarcastic.
All sarcasm is irony, but not all irony is sarcastic. In fact, irony is often more subtle, more polished, more complex than simple sarcasm.
Satire most definitely employs sarcasm, but even satire is a highly artistic form. Any jerk can be sarcastic. You don't have to have any aesthetic sense to be sarcastic. But there's an artistry to satire. A satirist is a keeper of standards. He takes it upon himself to ridicule other people's follies and vices, insisting they uphold a civilized norm.
"Satire is a sort of glass wherein beholders do generally discover everybody's face but their own, which is the chief reason for the kind of reception it meets in the world, and that so very few are offended with it." (Jonathan Swift)
"Satire is born of the instinct to protest; it is protest become art." (Ian Jack)
Yo, Paw, buzz off if you can't find something literate to say. . . said with sarcasm, or is it irony?
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