Belle, I thought that was sex, drugs and rock and roll. Maybe I am thinking about a different era, heh heh..
But you make a pretty good point. Look at their "spiritual head"- and its not Jesus Christ.
Good grief- no matter how well they package ole Rosie, nobody with an inkling of a right mind is going to be buying.
"Classes, but they only run every so often and when they do they take up all your time. "
True. True today, and true twenty some years ago. At least Eve was still a "straight shooter" then..
"Larger meetings where, if you're "special" you "get" to clean up, string chairs and run AV while you "rub elbows" with the almighty leadership."
Thankfully, with the current following, this does not happen very often anymore- unless you count the advanced class and specials and stuff. "Big" meetings in our area probably are attended by fifteen or less. But they probably have half of them stringing chairs, doing AV, greeting (who?), coffee detail, etc. Must look ridiculous.
"They brag about there being "nothing better out there"
That's gotta get old after a while, even with the innies. Are they still that blind? Well, I guess I was once...
- Larger meetings where, if you're "special" you "get" to clean up, string chairs and run AV while you "rub elbows" with the almighty leadership.
When I bailed two years ago, limb meetings had become an annual event. I went to one where the crew was bigger than the "audience." :)--> It was embarrassing.
I went to one where the crew was bigger than the "audience." :)--> It was embarrassing.
The nice thing about being on the crew is that you didn't have to sit, listin, and try and stay awake. Being on the crew you got to stand up and walk around.
I wonder if they will sell Gunnison or try to convince people to move up there to help take care of it as the number of people willing to go into the corps continues to decline. How many people does it take to keep up the place? How much does it cost to keep it running?
Will they sell off more of HQ? They already have a staggering staff to "believer" ratio. Will they "strongly suggest" that people start closing in the ranks and move to the "root" locations?
In 10 years where will they be? Some group no one has ever heard of with maybe 500 members? Still peddling the same "collaterals" and classes with their noses in the air bragging that they are the "one true household of God".
Greasespot will become much more active on all the other forums and Weenie Roasts will be like a family or class reunion that everyone looks forward to each year. GSpot There just won't be that many people left to help because they will have all left TWI and the only ones left are people like the Moneyhands who just can't fathom having to do actual work in the "real world".
The nice thing about being on the crew is that you didn't have to sit, listin, and try and stay awake. Being on the crew you got to stand up and walk around.
They don't do that, Ex70'shouston. Well... not anymore. Once you set up the thing (and are nice a sweaty), you put on your suit or dress and run to a nice, hard, steel folding chair. Yeah! Nothing like the feeling of clothes stuck to you on a hot summer day. ;)--> If they let the crew stand around, the actual "attendees" would be miniscule.
They need the set up crew to fill the audience and usually they are the same ones passing the horn o' plentitude up and down the isles.
TWI is shrinking and will continue to shrink until they are considered "just another cult". They've sure come a long way from being featured in a Time (or was it "People") magazine to some group most people have never even heard of.
TWi might have some appeal for those with a psychological need to belong to some small, "elite" group that claims exclusive access to God's mind and will. Of course anyone needing that kind of association in their life might have a mental problem right from the start. But some people actually enjoy being told what to do and even welcome the micromanagement which accompanies the Way lifestyle. They confuse this blind compliance with devotion to God.
Many were initially attracted to TWI of the 70s because there were loads of young people
around having fun and doing things socially but those days are long gone and there exists no such dynamic in TWI of 2005. Its become an old person's church with very little appeal to a young person. My point is that back in the 70s it might take quite a while for one to encounter the rigid expectations aassociated with TWI lifestyle
than it might today.
I left as LCM was taking the helm but saw that they weren't tolerating "part timers" any more which has led to the "be with us or not" mentality that result in the micromanagement practices so prevalent in the 80s and I suppose the 90s. There were some "buffers" there once upon a time due to the size of TWI but now they want only "the committed" right from the start.
I suspect that the only young people who might be "active" are those who have been shoe-horned into the way lifestyle by their parents yet TWI represents them as "new students" to whatever class it is they teach these days.
Some have characterized the remaining hardcore followers as "kool aid drinkers" though I don't think its quite down to that just yet. Sure. There are those who would accept dramatic orders from leadership without question but I have the sense there are those remaning who wish to leave. At some point it will be a case of too many chiefs and not enough indians. Sure they'll have regional coordinators and what not but over time there won't be need for this type of "tree" yet they won't let go of it simply because it would be a very clear sign that membership numbers are anemic.
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Belle, I thought that was sex, drugs and rock and roll. Maybe I am thinking about a different era, heh heh..
But you make a pretty good point. Look at their "spiritual head"- and its not Jesus Christ.
Good grief- no matter how well they package ole Rosie, nobody with an inkling of a right mind is going to be buying.
"Classes, but they only run every so often and when they do they take up all your time. "
True. True today, and true twenty some years ago. At least Eve was still a "straight shooter" then..
"Larger meetings where, if you're "special" you "get" to clean up, string chairs and run AV while you "rub elbows" with the almighty leadership."
Thankfully, with the current following, this does not happen very often anymore- unless you count the advanced class and specials and stuff. "Big" meetings in our area probably are attended by fifteen or less. But they probably have half of them stringing chairs, doing AV, greeting (who?), coffee detail, etc. Must look ridiculous.
"They brag about there being "nothing better out there"
That's gotta get old after a while, even with the innies. Are they still that blind? Well, I guess I was once...
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Well, at least 6 months ain't as bad as the year I wasted as a WOW Scambassador.
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When I bailed two years ago, limb meetings had become an annual event. I went to one where the crew was bigger than the "audience."
:)--> It was embarrassing.
JT
Two years out and oh, so happy!
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What does twi have to offer?...
Twi has nothing, therefore, it has nothing to offer. You can't even give someone the measles unless you have it first.
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I went to one where the crew was bigger than the "audience."
:)--> It was embarrassing.
The nice thing about being on the crew is that you didn't have to sit, listin, and try and stay awake. Being on the crew you got to stand up and walk around.
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Ex70's - Please check your private topics!
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I wonder if they will sell Gunnison or try to convince people to move up there to help take care of it as the number of people willing to go into the corps continues to decline. How many people does it take to keep up the place? How much does it cost to keep it running?
Will they sell off more of HQ? They already have a staggering staff to "believer" ratio. Will they "strongly suggest" that people start closing in the ranks and move to the "root" locations?
In 10 years where will they be? Some group no one has ever heard of with maybe 500 members? Still peddling the same "collaterals" and classes with their noses in the air bragging that they are the "one true household of God".
Greasespot will become much more active on all the other forums and Weenie Roasts will be like a family or class reunion that everyone looks forward to each year. GSpot There just won't be that many people left to help because they will have all left TWI and the only ones left are people like the Moneyhands who just can't fathom having to do actual work in the "real world".
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Sir Scamalot, I believe I'm starting to detect a theme in your posts.
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They don't do that, Ex70'shouston. Well... not anymore. Once you set up the thing (and are nice a sweaty), you put on your suit or dress and run to a nice, hard, steel folding chair. Yeah! Nothing like the feeling of clothes stuck to you on a hot summer day.
;)--> If they let the crew stand around, the actual "attendees" would be miniscule.
JT
Two years out and oh, so happy!
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They need the set up crew to fill the audience and usually they are the same ones passing the horn o' plentitude up and down the isles.
TWI is shrinking and will continue to shrink until they are considered "just another cult". They've sure come a long way from being featured in a Time (or was it "People") magazine to some group most people have never even heard of.
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TWi might have some appeal for those with a psychological need to belong to some small, "elite" group that claims exclusive access to God's mind and will. Of course anyone needing that kind of association in their life might have a mental problem right from the start. But some people actually enjoy being told what to do and even welcome the micromanagement which accompanies the Way lifestyle. They confuse this blind compliance with devotion to God.
Many were initially attracted to TWI of the 70s because there were loads of young people
around having fun and doing things socially but those days are long gone and there exists no such dynamic in TWI of 2005. Its become an old person's church with very little appeal to a young person. My point is that back in the 70s it might take quite a while for one to encounter the rigid expectations aassociated with TWI lifestyle
than it might today.
I left as LCM was taking the helm but saw that they weren't tolerating "part timers" any more which has led to the "be with us or not" mentality that result in the micromanagement practices so prevalent in the 80s and I suppose the 90s. There were some "buffers" there once upon a time due to the size of TWI but now they want only "the committed" right from the start.
I suspect that the only young people who might be "active" are those who have been shoe-horned into the way lifestyle by their parents yet TWI represents them as "new students" to whatever class it is they teach these days.
Some have characterized the remaining hardcore followers as "kool aid drinkers" though I don't think its quite down to that just yet. Sure. There are those who would accept dramatic orders from leadership without question but I have the sense there are those remaning who wish to leave. At some point it will be a case of too many chiefs and not enough indians. Sure they'll have regional coordinators and what not but over time there won't be need for this type of "tree" yet they won't let go of it simply because it would be a very clear sign that membership numbers are anemic.
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