"Your Research Department at Work"

[Ham]

J.E. Stiles 7%

E.W. Bullinger 22%

BG Leonard 20%

E W Kenyon 9%

Niccolo Machiavelli 5%

Bishop Pillai 7%

Rufus Mosley 5%

Star Dailey 3%

Anton Lavey 4%

Ivan Pavlov 12%

Adolph Hitler 4%

Miscellaneous 1%

Original work: 1%

PTOOIE.

Edited September 7, 2005 by Mr. Hammeroni

[Ham]

Before any offense is taken, I in NO WAY am slamming Geek or any of the other good guys..

I have the highest of respect for THEM.

[Ham]

I think they got in trouble largely because they wouldn't rubber stamp the product listed above..

[Ham]

I included Adolph because vic DID admire parts of Mein Kamph.

[Ham]

I wanted to upload a nice professional pie chart, but couldn't do it..

I'm sure everybody would have been impressed!

[Belle]

I would have been duly impressed, Ham. I do think you might be just a wee bit off on your calculations though.

Niccolo Machiavelli 5%

Seems like that should be a tad bit higher percentage unless you're talking about for the whole ministry and not counting those teachings that were strictly for the way corps training.

[Ham]

I thought about that..

but if you add it to the amounts for Hitler, Lavey, and Pavlov the "conditioner", it does total a remarkable twenty six percent. :)-->

[Belle]

Ah, yesssss..... Pavlov's dogs - I didn't recognize him with the full name. :D--> I was conditioned well, no?

[Ham]

But if you take these four "special" ingredients with the proper analysis, you will see they make up the following percentage of the twenty six percent:

Machievelli: 19%

Lavey: 19%

Pavlov: 46%

Hitler: 26%

You may be right, these figures pretty much describe a lot of leadership I was under..

Oops. Maybe I got Pavlov and Hitler mixed up..

[Georgio Jessio]

Fill me in on the Lavay connection. Forgive my ignorence.

[Jim]

You forgot Kafka, Orwell and John Birch

[WordWolf]

I can see George Orwell and the John Birch Society in there.

I don't see LaVey. (But I might be wrong-enlighten me.)

Funny Machiavelli was mentioned. I just finished reading

"the Prince" and thinking about parallels and so on.

I read something that specifically reminded me of the

relationship between vpw and lcm.

Chapter 22, "Of the ministers of princes,"

paragraph 4 to the end.

quote:

The prince, by way of securing the devotion of his minister,

should think of him and bind him to himself by obligations; he

should bestow riches upon him, and should share the honours as well

as the cares with him; so that the abundance of honours and riches

conferred by the prince upon his minister may cause the latter not

to desire either the one or the other from any other source, and

that the weight of cares may make him dread a change, knowing that

without the prince he could not sustain it. And when the relations

between the prince and his minister are thus constituted, they will

be able to confide in each other; but if they be otherwise, then

one or the other of them will surely come to a bad end.

[Ham]

quote:

Fill me in on the Lavay connection. Forgive my ignorence.

I tossed him in just for the fun of it..

but it did seem to describe that certain "spiritual" element, that I couldn't quite put my finger on..

[Bramble]

Perhaps Levay could be found in the self indulgence seen by some leaders, but his principles(which actually include kindness toward those you care about) would probably have bettered many of them if they were followed.

'Looking out for number one' in the Levay way, is not at all like 'grinding them up because you have the power' in TWI.

[Ham]

Yep. true..

Its the part of purposely acting in a sinister manner out in front of "God and the whole world" quality I was thinking of. That's what I see in rosie..

Past that, the comparison to Lavey is an insult to him..

Probably done more good for people than all of the "saints" in charge of der vey..

[Bramble]

Here's a quote from Levay since Levay and Satanism have popped up here a few times. I'm no expert, since this is not my religion.

"People, even those who consider themselves 'practitioners of the Old

Religion,' can't conceive of a philosophy beyond Christianity, beyond good

against evil. It's like 'worshipping the Devil.' We don't worship Satan, we

worship ourselves using the metaphorical representation of the qualities of

Satan. Satan IS the name used by Judeo-Christians for that

force of individuality and pride within us. But the force itself has been

called by many names. We embrace Christian myths of Satan and Lucifer, along

with Satanic renderings in Greek, Roman, Islamic, Sumerian, Syrian, Phrygian,

Egyptian, Chinese, or Hindu mythologies, to name but a few. We are not limited

to one deity, but encompass all the expressions of the accuser or the one who

advocates free thought and rational alternatives by whatever names he is called

in a particular time and land. It so happens that we are living in a culture

that is predominatly Judeo-Christian, so we emphasize Satan. If we were living

in Roman times, the central figure, perhaps the title of our religion, would be

different. But the name would be expressing and communicating the same thing.

It's all context."

Free thought, rational alternatives--not TWI like to my thinking.

[WordWolf]

quote:

Originally posted by Bramble:

Here's a quote from Levay since Levay and Satanism have popped up here a few times. I'm no expert, since this is not my religion.

"We don't worship Satan, we

worship ourselves using the metaphorical representation of the qualities of

Satan."

This, to me, seemed to be the honest appraisal of his own religion.

He worships himself.

The rest was an elaborate rationalization to justify worshipping himself.

(IMHO)

Now, the difference between LaVey and vpw was...

Good grief! It IS the same thing!

Worshipped himself and rationalized it away.

Actually, LaVey's system allowed him to get his, and you to get yours.

vpw's system allowed him to get his at the expense of you not getting

yours.

Therefore, vpw's system was LESS HUMANE THAN THE SATANIST SYSTEM.

Amazing.

[Bramble]

Yup, WW, that is kind of how I see it.

[Ham]

quote:

Actually, LaVey's system allowed him to get his, and you to get yours

Yep. I would agree, vic plagiarized HALF of it..

[Bob]

quote:

I wanted to upload a nice professional pie chart, but couldn't do it..

I coulnd't resist.

[diazbro]

yes anton levay's outfit was much more about individualism than satanism. I looked into that outfit once and it was primarily a social club with members of the Los Angeles elite being flagship members. There was little mystery about if you ask me. A social club for people looking to network with people for purposes of self-aggrandizement. I'm not at all saying this is good or bad just pointing it out.

[Bramble]

Lovely pie chart!

[Ham]

Thanks Bob!

[A la prochaine]

Bob,

love the graphics...

merci

[Ham]

quote:

yes anton levay's outfit was much more about individualism than satanism... it was primarily a social club with members of the Los Angeles elite being flagship members. There was little mystery about if you ask me. A social club for people looking to network with people for purposes of self-aggrandizement.

Partial quote, anyway..

I wonder if the horns and blood and stuff was just a tactic to scare the riff-raff off..

Religious and self-righteous hucksters would avoid that organization like the plague.