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In this thread and this forum, we're here to go over what twi teaches, and compare the doctrine and teaching which allegedly comes from the Bible, and see if it really is in accord with the Bible. Getting into what the Roman Catholic Church teaches is off-topic for both thread and forum. Oldies, if you really want to get into that, please start a thread in the relevant forum. Keep in mind, that, if you do, you might not like the thread that results. But you can if you want to.

In case you're curious, I plowed through HtEtB. (Most of it.) The first mention makes it sound the same as in the Companion Bible. However, if you keep reading, eventually he gets to that Psalms thing about the heathen for inheritance, and people using that for missionary sermons, and the next verse about breaking them with a rod of iron and dashing them in pieces like a potter's vessel. Bullinger confirms that it's "dividing" but that it's not "rightly dividing." He uses the word "interpreting" later, especially in section headers, and he uses it as synonymous with "rightly dividing." He doesn't leave a sentence that says "rightly diving" is "interpreting", but he uses the terms interchangeably. So, with everything else being lifted directly, that was lifted also. For those people who think I ramble and go on for a while, I have nothing on Bullinger. I'm amateur-hour compared to when really Bullinger gets going.

Might that be the reason for her omission?

If you've read Undertow, you know I was involved with TWI from 1970-1987 and knew those folks back then. Yes, they were good hearted. I worked with Bernita Jess, who was kind to me, for many years. I agree they were enablers, maybe some more than others, depending on how close they were to VWP. Intersting that Donna Rand*ll is not on this list! She was VPW's personal research secretary from the early days, helped when they filmed PFAL, and worked at HQ when I was in the Corps 1971-1973, and at PFAL '77 for the filming of that class, I was assigned to be her assistant, although I didn't do very much. So she was loyal from the beginning of the organization. She and her husband, Gene, lived in a trailer on HQ grounds for years. One of her daughters married VPW's nephew. She broke away from TWI around the time I did, in 1987 ish. She had been very close to VPW and I'll bet she knew a lot of dirt.

The Roman Catholic Church, according to what I've learned from them in my return to them. And if they don't know, they'll tell you they don't know or it's a mystery. But they do take their magisterium seriously. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magisterium Agree that I don't think we need them to tell us what "Thou Shalt Not Steal" means in a general sense. However, when there's an issue that's questionable in your mind, it's highly recommended you consult a priest at least, to be covered. Presumption could be a grave sin. Something could be a grave sin that you'd think is harmless. I pray about this because there are areas of the doctrine that still are mysterious to me.

The Jerk "Wendy? I'm hooooome!" George

The Candy Man Can by Sammy Davis Jr? George

My dad had lupus. It wasn't the variety that attacked his internal organs, but it kept him out of the sun. George

This was not a satellite. And "outer space" is only about 15 miles from the surface (end of the atmosphere). George

The one claiming spiritual authority is the one who does not have it.

I'm sure it's just a coincidence that the "you can't understand the Bible unless we tell you what it means" position (common to both the Roman Catholic Church and twi- while twi derides the RCC for doing it, they do it too) dovetails nicely with "you need us, remember to give us money." Both groups consider themselves the final word on all things relating to God Almighty, and the rank and file better remember that. If you oppose the group, you oppose GOD ALMIGHTY and can face consequences from Him.

"I was born a poor Black child."

D'oh! Ok, scratch that one. Here's another. "Oh, who can take tomorrow?, (Who can take tomorrow?), Dip it in a dream, (Dip it in a dream), Separate the sorrow and collect up all the cream?"

Yes. Dr House always had to diagnose some mysterious malady. Since lupus has nebulous symptoms, it was always a possibility. And one time, it WAS lupus. There's some lupus foundation that thanked the show for raising awareness of lupus in the public eye.

Is it a satellite George? They're not in the Earth's atmosphere I think? Explorer 6 It took the first photos from a satellite of the Earth.

Hmmmm-Which church? Is that what it says in the context? Do I need the church to tell me what "Thou shalt not steal." means? I'm inclined to agree with what WordWolf said about referencing the origin. When you read it in context, that's the implication that unfolds.

My first thought is how the Catholics interpret. First thought, there ARE contradictions. Many mysteries... and sometimes even illogical and unreasonable. Second, the scriptures are not and never were there for your own personal decision what it means... rather it must be interpreted by the Church. Tradition, the community of the saints, the Pope. etc.

I met the Georges in 99 The Jess's seperatly Bernita was in Mi for several years, I drove her around the area.

For what it's worth, I just checked the Companion Bible and Bullinger got this verse right. Maybe the mistake was in How to Enjoy the Bible? Or perhaps it was just someone else entirely. I wouldn't necessarily dwell on why Wierwille got this wrong. The point is that he did. And it's not a big deal by itself. It's just a matter of recognizing that sometimes TWI gets something wrong AND IT'S OK. The Bible doesn't fall to pieces because of it.

House (?) George

By George, I think he's got it! George

Ok, let's try this: What was the first man-made object to reach outer space (i.e., outside the Earth's atmosphere)? George

WordHusky posted this tune about a month ago in the Songs Remembered from Just One Line thread. It's alright with me if you want to keep it.