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Sorry Charlie for the imposition I think I've got it, I got the strength to carry on, yeah I need a drink and a quick decision Now it's up to me, ooh what will be? Get up in the morning, look in the mirror One less toothbrush hanging in the stand My face ain't looking any younger Now I can see love's taken a toll on me

Father Brian Rivard D A Fletcher Cecil Paul Sloane Richard Harmon Jack Albany Rev. Clayton Brooks

These are movie quotes, right? You didn't really identify the movie from my quote, and I suspect the other is a Songs Remembered... line. George Well, yes, of course, my post wasn't for this thread. But, I think we can keep going forward with this, your quote is from "How The Grinch Stole Christmas" and my quote is from a famous (very famous) almost as famous as many famous motion pictures go (pun intended), in fact it came out just a year earlier than "The Grinch" did. "Blue jean baby, L A lady, seamstress for the band". Just the same as you're line, George, that line was sang in the movie as well.

That's it. Fun fact: When it first opened, the Astrodome had natural turf. It wasn't long, however, before they realized that grass doesn't grow well indoors. The artificial substitute became known as Astroturf. George

The Astrodome

I went to a seance, recently, to conjure up the spirit of Wierwille. The lights began to dim, an eerie chill filled the air, furniture began to shake violently. Just then, he appeared and began to speak, "I've been trying to reach you about your vehicle's extended warranty.".

We haven't done Pictionary in a while. Let me see if this works: Well, it doesn't work. File size apparently too big. Let's try it a different way: Rock Hudson James Doohan Telly Savalas Roddy McDowall Keenan Wynn Barbara Leigh Angie Dickinson John David Carson Joanna Cameron Gretchen Carpenter Aimee Eccles Margaret Markov June Fairchild Joy Bang Brenda Sykes Diane Sherry George

"Are you here all by yourself?" "Ma'am, I'm eight years old. You think I would be here alone? I don't think so." "Where's your mom?" "My mom's in the car." "Where's your father?" "He's at work." "What about your brothers and your sisters?" "I'm an only child." "Where do you live?" "Uh, I can't tell you that." "Why not?" "Because you're a stranger." "Why the hell did you take your shoes off?" "Why the hell are you dressed like a chicken?" George

The venue was home to an NL team, an NFL team, and a rodeo. It now serves none of those purposes. George

These are movie quotes, right? You didn't really identify the movie from my quote, and I suspect the other is a Songs Remembered... line. George

Salute! George

This is beyond disturbing. This is abject wickedness. Behavior of such horrific depravity does not occur in a state of nature. Children do not act like this, unless they are "taught." Adults do not behave this way, unless they are "taught." Who is "the teacher"? It all goes back to "the teacher." All of it. All. Of. It. Victor wierwille, the thief come to kill, steal and destroy, laid the foundation. The buck stops with him. Had he gone on to sell home warranties or read palms at a county fair or any other endeavor matching his skill set, none of this would have happened.

Get up in the morning, look in the mirror One less toothbrush hanging in the stand My face ain't looking any younger Now I can see love's taken a toll on me

You're a Mean One, Mr. Grinch "Blue jean baby, L A lady, seamstress for the band"

Hee Haw (Only because I'm older than 60 do I know this)

Father Brian Rivard D A Fletcher Cecil

That must be something with Lee Van Cliff in it, right? "How the West was Won", maybe?

I was going to use that next. Jerry Maguire "You're a mean one You really are a heel You're as cuddly as a cactus You're as charming as an eel." George

I'll get to this shortly.

TWOO "Show me the money"

Casino Royale Jeffrey Wright Basquiat

THAT certainly was true in my case. WOW was successful but the Corps no way. In fact, I got it from the horses's mouth to go elsewhere, but was too thick-headed to listen. I personally asked VPW what I should do after WOW... he put his arm around me and said "go back home and apply what you learned." Had I done that, it would have saved me much grief!

The idea is that any group that runs a program of "leadership training" should be competent to conduct such a program, and be able to understand the FIDUCIARY RESPONSIBILITIES that go with that. The way corps was started by vpw. vpw was not a graduate in any leadership programs. He was not a participant in any leadership programs. He was not even in the military. However, he had seen movies about the military. He based his ideas about what this program would involve on movies he saw. He envied the movie generals their ability to tell a recruit "jump" and have the recruit obey automatically. He has no understanding of what training and experience the general had before becoming a general, just what was in the movies. So, once again, vpw pretended he had skills and qualifications he lacked. The first few years of the program made that obvious- he was sort-of throwing things together as he went along. There was no overarching goals for the program's teaching. There was no monthly/weekly breakdown of what was to be taught, let alone HOW. The guiding principles were few enough- the students needed to be obedient and be ready to jump off a cliff if told to do so, the students needed to make sure all of their fees were on time, and all things that twi did in the program were to be done in the cheapest manner possible- FREE if possible. Where a responsible organization would consider candidates for a leadership program ready to make a 4-year commitment to be a valuable commodity in themselves- and pay for the program and deal with them carefully-, twi treated them largely as DISPOSABLE and saw them in terms of what twi could get immediately- money, sex- and in the long term to see them as de facto slaves to twi who would jump off a bridge decades later if told to do so. The "screening" was very perfunctory. What vpw said to lcm when he was unsure about being able to raise the money was pretty much the standard for screening- "YOU CAN STAY AS LONG AS YOUR MONEY HOLDS!" When the people had to get from one place to another, a responsible group would have at least an old school bus or a passenger van to move them. No, that costs money. They were told to HITCH-HIKE, and even students raped or killed while hitch-hiking didn't get them to change that policy. (Decades later, the lawyers forced them to change things. How despicable is your religious organization if even the LAWYERS think you're irresponsible?) So, in twi, if you were a stranger, you were pressured to attend twig. If you attended twig, you were pressured to take pfal. If you took pfal, you were pressured to take the Intermediate class. If you took it, you were pressured to take the Advanced class. If you took it, you were pressured to go wow. If you did, you were pressured to go way corps. You were always being leaned on to go further- and to always remember to give twi lots of money. Everything twi did/does was/is at retail prices. They printed books in house- you paid as if you bought them at B & N. They produced tapes in house on the cheapest grade available- you paid as if you bought them from a commercial store. And the TYPES of donations! You were expected to pay 10% for even the least attention from GOD ALMIGHTY. That went up to 15% and even 20% under lcm. Above that was 'abundant sharing'- and that was expected regularly, above the other amount. twi also had the nerve to make up something else. They said to "plurality give." This didn't mean to donate extras of things. This meant to calculate how much you needed to live on- with no luxuries, no investments, no savings at all- then hand over all the rest of it to twi. Ever hear of another group with the nerve to demand that? But the screening to enter any program was largely "confirm the limb leader didn't think you'd get arrested", and "can you pay the fee?" and then you were all set. Many people went into programs that weren't ready or suited for them. A few people had breakdowns or were unstable, and a few people died. twi, naturally, took no responsibility for any of that. So, it should not surprise anyone that women were molested and raped in the way corps and working on staff. It should not surprise anyone that some of them might inflict the same on some males. vpw didn't make it public, but he arranged things to make it easy for him to molest and rape women when he was on grounds. Knowing that, it's not shocking others would follow suit.

This is one of the most disturbing things I’ve heard. I’m so sorry this happened to your mom and you. Has your mom sought legal advice? There’s probably a time limit on legal action against them but it wouldn’t hurt to inquire. And may I ask which family corps you were in?