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It's Suzanne. Written by Leonard Cohen and recorded by Judy Collins. FREE POST

No idea. Sorry. George

Still no guesses? Here's some more: And Jesus was a sailor When he walked upon the water And he spent a long time watching From his lonely wooden tower And when he knew for certain Only drowning men could see him He said "All men will be sailors then Until the sea shall free them.

Different take again, Oldies. Always we need to know something of the context, as best we can. It's very obvious that the early church recognised women as leaders too; just read the list of names of those who helped both Paul and Jesus. Stand-alone women, not adjuncts of their husbands. It's also very obvious that Jewish culture of the time was very patriarchal even though there were some powerful women. We get hints, in other prevailing regimes (Greek, Roman) but again, be careful not to read (say) Greek culture of one epoch into that of another time. Anyway, this isn't just about women in the church; I was interested in Monte Mader's (sometimes) outrageous insights into quite a lot of religious and especially Christian-nationalist hype. Especially on compassion/empathy for homeless, LGB groups, non-white groups, migrants, etc. I would love to set her on some of the TWI know-it-all "reverends"!

I have a feeling VPW would be displeased with this AI interpretation, as he taught us the Epistles were addressed to us.

Great Point Penworks! I'm curious to know if they'll put Ellen Whiteside's name on the cover. As many of you know, TWI sells "What God's Word Says About Angels" and "Outreach Strategies of Jesus Christ" without LCM's name.

Twice a month was considered 'faithful.' If a person stops attending for six months, TWI considers that person no longer participating in the ministry. I know they used to inflate the numbers or exaggerate TWI's influence on culture, but to be fair, those were their criteria (at least until the last two or three years). And...Nowadays home fellowships are twice a week.

Excellent and sharp point she makes i.e.... women no longer need to be silenced in public as was in recent history and culture at the time -- but Paul confirmed women deacons completely smashing that view. AI gave me a different take that was quite pleasing to me -- it said that verses about women being silenced in the church, should predominantly be interpreted as in the context of local Corinthian women causing a disturbance of local worship services only and not a general prohibition on women speaking altogether in church services.

I'm giggling here. In FellowLaborers we had a bare minimum of 2 believers meetings with manifestations... every day! "For, yay, verily, so on and so forth, yada, yada"

Faithful is only twice a month now? Did you mean that, or did you mean twice a week, more the norm when I was around.

Not, the first line; We take a walk The sun is shining down Burns my feet as they touch the ground

Uh-oh, somebody looks very grumpy there. "That's Gay with the mohel" Mohel? NO!!!! He's the man that snips the baby's little winkydink. No matter how hard he tried, the mohel couldn't coax Greggie's tiny little turtle from his shell.

Twinky: Expand your vision, people. The world is not the USA. And the vision presented by news sources in the USA is very biased, one way or the other, with insufficient apolitical reporting, and not much international reporting. There are many countries outside USA - it's true!! It really is!! There are 50 countries in Europe, 54 in Africa, 48 in Asia, 12 in South America. 195 countries altogether, sharing this planetary space. That may mean 195 different cultural outlooks, problems, benefits. Life works much better if we can work collaboratively not competitively. We are all INTERdependent. Not INdependent. So please - take the time to think of what happens elsewhere, and how what goes on in one country - your own, wherever that might be - affects those in other countries. All I'm saying is : be prepared to take another look at whatever you hear and think: the news, scripture/theology, anything you're interested in - from a different angle, perspective. Amen, Sis. Amen

I've heard there may be a political discussion or two going on over at Reddit.

Another musical genius who died early due to alcohol and drug abuse...

Sorry about that Raf! From now on, I will only comment on her non-political stuff as time allows-- Sure wish we had a little political corner...

Yeah. Thanks for noticing. Oldies, come on, man. :)

I could say a lot about the Israel/Gaza situation, but that would start getting too political. All I'm saying is : be prepared to take another look at whatever you hear and think: the news, scripture/theology, anything you're interested in - from a different angle, perspective. I also like this guy's take on living the gospel: short, simple, and often very profound. Rev Joseph Yoo, Korean minister based in Texas Facebook

A) YES, I do! b) I know that TWI restructured the criteria, so that a "faithful believer" is one who goes at least twice a month and a "non-faithful" believer is one who at least attends one home fellowship within a 6-month period.

This great song was a hit for the Miracles, the Beatles and Percy Sledge:

You may ask what the book "validates that some of us have been talking about for so long." At the top of my list would be VPW's misogony, his vindictive attitude towards Christian denominations, and outrageous claims and opinions about what God does and doesn't do. He tells that story about when he heard God tell him audibly that He'd teach him The Word like it hasn't been known since the first century if he would teach it to others. And the phony snow story ensues. Anyway, for some people, they may be wasting their money to buy the book (at this time you preorder it on their form, which lacks a field for your street address, so you have to put that in the same box as the state). For others, it might be worth it to get the book and see for themselve VP the conman who double-talks his way through answering questions Whiteside puts to him. Elena was a nice lady but totally starry-eyed like the rest of us back then. She interviewed me and many others at HQ back then and shaped the material into a propaganda story. I could be wrong, but I don't think there's anyone in the book that's still involved with the original Way organization. They're either running Way offshoots, or, like me, have rejected any connection with VPW teachings or fellowships. Some who are featured in the book have passed away, like Del Duncan, Ian (Doug) Murphy, and George and Bernita Jess.

Agree! News reports (from independent media) proclaim over 60,000 + innocent Palestinians have been murdered in Gaza by Israeli Military onslaught. Complete hypocrisy from a religion that touts "thou shalt not kill" as one of its commandments. Or else, "Israel" is not who many think they are.

Expand your vision, people. The world is not the USA. And the vision presented by news sources in the USA is very biased, one way or the other, with insufficient apolitical reporting, and not much international reporting. There are many countries outside USA - it's true!! It really is!! There are 50 countries in Europe, 54 in Africa, 48 in Asia, 12 in South America. 195 countries altogether, sharing this planetary space. That may mean 195 different cultural outlooks, problems, benefits. Life works much better if we can work collaboratively not competitively. We are all INTERdependent. Not INdependent. So please - take the time to think of what happens elsewhere, and how what goes on in one country - your own, wherever that might be - affects those in other countries. And for those here who still profess Christianity, there's another viewpoint on top of any cultural viewpoint. See a bigger picture, folks. Monte Madder on seeing a bigger picture and on news sources: Facebook

A) Do you have the official names of the organizations by which twi are currently known in each of those countries? B) If the official census in twi is 600 per country, the actual number of people is possibly 300. Many of us are aware how easy it is to get on that list, and how slow it is to get off that list. I am sure my entire family was on that list for many years, but a maximum of 3 of us were in at all, and I am sure at least 5 were listed with them, more if splinter groups are counted because of when we showed up. I am aware that when twi consolidated their mailing address, the oldest person was the one mail was sent to, despite being one who almost never attended. (I am confident we all used the same mailing address, and that is why twi saved stamps that way.) Hey, twi claimed 100,000 people for membership when the largest membership they ever had was around 24,000. The higher number was based on how many people signed up for pfal.

Here's a video that popped up on my YouTube page, no doubt because I've been watching Monte's videos; thought I'd post it here: