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The upgrade isn't really done yet. Just done enough to allow people in again. This was a major upgrade with software that is really not ready for prime time. There will be issues. If you find any, post them here and I'll look into it. Known issues: GS Logo: Looks like crap. It's what happens when you start an upgrade and forget that you still need a logo. I threw it together in about 5 minutes and I have no photoshop skills. Paw is working on a better one. Creating new blog entries apparently isn't working. Getting permission denied errors. If you notice diferent, let me know. Shoutbox needs to be recreated. But.... There are a ton of new features, some most will like, some will drive others nuts. Should be interesting. One new feature of note is the ability to rate a post as good or bad --- which builds a user's overall rating. This should be really interesting. :)

Someone out there is deadly at Scrabble. (Wait till you see the last one)! DORMITORY: When you rearrange the letters: DIRTY ROOM PRESBYTERIAN: When you rearrange the letters: BEST IN PRAYER ASTRONOMER: When you rearrange the letters: MOON STARER DESPERATION: When you rearrange the letters: A ROPE ENDS IT THE EYES: ! When you rearrange the letters: THEY SEE GEORGE BUSH: When you rearrange the letters: HE BUGS GORE THE MORSE CODE : When you rearrange the letters: HERE COME DOTS SLOT MACHINES: When you rearrange the letters: CASH LOST IN ME ANIMOSITY: When you rearrange the letters: IS NO AMITY ELECTION RESULTS: When you rearrange the letters: LIES - LET'S RECOUNT SNOOZE ALARMS: When you rearrange the letters: ALAS! NO MORE Z 'S A DECIMAL POINT: When you rearrange the letters: IM A DOT IN PLACE THE EARTHQUAKES: When you rearrange the letters: THAT QUEER SHAKE ELEVEN PLUS TWO: When you rearrange the letters: TWELVE PLUS ONE AND FOR THE GRAND FINALE: MOTHER-IN-LAW: When you rearrange the letters: WOMAN HITLER Yep! Someone with waaaaaaaaaaay too much time on their hands! (Probably a son-in-law)

nevermind it's messing up my pc

I have the same problem with my family! :lol: George

Ha! Too funny Dooj! Here's how I always keep it straight. Pee Wee danced to Tequila on top of the bar – and Vee Pee drank Drambuie and wound up under the bar.

And it was indeed the bottom of the drambuie glass that he said he saw through darkly. . . . . especially as he uttered those now famous last words.

An extra penny to add to my previous 2 cents. the relationship of worship & service. There's always the practical consequence of doctrine to take into account. I think sometimes the TWI mindset tended to compartmentalize ideas – which not only blinds one to contradictory thoughts but also how some things relate to each other. I'm thinking about a particular PFAL teaching on what is true worship – saying the only true worship was to SIT. However, there's a couple of Bible passages that give me the idea that there's a twofold aspect when it comes to reverence, devotion; one is intellectual and the other is practical. When I say "intellectual" – I don't think it's something stuffy, heady, philosophical – like that – maybe it's much more, involving our emotions, passions. I think worship is basically love. In Matthew 4 when Jesus was tempted to worship the devil in exchange for the kingdoms of this world – He responded by saying we are to worship AND serve the Lord our God only [Matthew 4:10]. And in Romans 1, speaking of the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness – how they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshipped AND served created things rather than the Creator [Romans 1:25]. Again thinking about worship as love we find service linked to it in Matthew 6:24. Jesus talked about the impossibility of serving two masters – we wind up hating one and loving the other, and He ends that thought by saying "You cannot serve both God and wealth" [NASB]. That can apply to anything tempting - the big four – fame, fortune, power and pleasure. As Romans 6:16 indicates – whatever you choose to obey becomes your master. What I think relates to this discussion is a biblical definition of idolatry. I'm sure others can chime in with references – but the most comprehensive one I can think of right off the bat is in Exodus 20 – I see a number of prohibitions/directives in the first half of the Ten Commandments intended to guard the monogamous relationship a believer has with the Lord God. And getting back to the worship/service correlation – it's intriguing to think about the practical side of the commandments – especially when put in the context of how I relate to others [don't murder, don't commit adultery, don't lie, don't steal, etc.]. That gets me thinking about when Jesus was asked what the most important commandment was in Matthew 22:36-40. Jesus' answer was not one – but two commandments – He summarized them as being to love God and neighbor – and saying that all the other commandments -demands - directives of the Law & Prophets are anchored, supported, based upon these two. Exodus 20 has love & service intertwined – but stated mostly in a negative sense ["Do not do so & so"]. Matthew 22 presents love & service as a positive duet. I also agree with your point about how TWI's god was one of their own creation and through teachings like "the law of believing" & pushing SIT as perfect prayer & true worship there was a subliminal message getting fed to folks that God was at our beck & call – as long as we did the right things God would comply with our every wish or command. I believe idolatry tends to be self-serving. And I think about the dark horrible experiences of abuse & sexual molestations mentioned on Grease Spot – that $ hi + is the extreme opposite of the two great commandments! Yeah, and vp re-defined what it means to love your neighbor anyway – saying "anything done in the love of God is okay." Come to think of it, vp re-defined idolatry too. Did you ever hear him rant from the podium about Jesus Christ not being God and we should not worship Him? He'd go on & on making analogies about moving the decimal point one place over, changes the value of the numbers – and that to think Jesus is God is idolatry. Ok – so I'm a Trinitarian and have nothing against my Unitarian brothers – but please allow me the freedom to follow the dictates of my conscience - of my understanding of John 1:1, Colossians 1: 15-20, Hebrews1: 5 & ff, and - uhm - well, you know the drill; but when it comes right down to it - the worship AND service aspect of it – the practical consequence of one's theology – I don't think we [Trinitarians & Unitarians] are that different practically speaking. And really who cares?!?! As long as neither side uses the issue as a polarizing tool to separate "the true believers" and damn the rest to hell – oh, shades of the New Knoxville Inquisition!

what is the sewers camping experience?

Well, we all have our "pluses and minuses" now, don't we? :P

now you're at +1 and i somehow have a -1 so you're doing better'n me.

i have a green plus button that says "click to configure post options" and below that i have "add reply", "preview post" and "cancel" should i click to configure post options ? i thought i did that and it got weird. i'll try after i hit reply here thank you for trying to help me i got a million green + and red - scrolling all the way down the screen i clicked on the red and got a green 1 and minus red 1 i don't know those were two posts up above there, if that helps now 3 ha ha ha ha ha oh well and the long line of little green and red boxes with 1's are still there at the moment i did just find that my reputation on here is a -8. i guess that's less than a zero. i'm liking this new site better all the time.

Excie - it might be that you're waiting too long to edit a post. As far as the PM function goes, When I hit on the little envelope which is the icon for a PM under a person's avatar, the main screen darkens and a PM window pops up. Something similar happens when I try to PM from a person's profile. Everything is working fine, just looks different. Actually, I like the way it works now.

Crop circles in Australia are caused by stoned Wallabies in medicinal poppy fields. Australian crop circles

bottom right hand corner of every post

hi, i don't know where the "edit post" button is when i click on a member name and then click "send me a message", everything changes colors and kind of freezes there's other stuff, but i can't remember now thank you

...and I was taught that his last words were "Mecka Lecka Heiney Ho" ...which of course,is a well known Italian curse. This phrase is usually followed by sweeping the top of the hand under the chin and immediately biting the hand. No doubt...the Cyclops was attempting to conjure up the power in his mind.

Thanks GT - This could come in handy.

Multi-quote has been around for a bit. Basically, it allows you to select up to 5 posts to quote all at once in a reply. You click the multi-quote button on each post you want quoted, then hit the reply button. All posts should be quoted for you. There may be a current bug with multi-quotes. Not sure. Think I remember reading about it though...

I used to see an edit button before the update on this web site, but no more. Now I only see "Reply" and "Multiquote" underneath the plus minus symbols. But I am going to see if there is a refresh button that I can click. Maybe the web page needs to be updated for me. Thanks Hap. It is good to figure stuff out with others. Here is my edit: There it is. I clicked the refresh button with the up and then down green arrows at the top of the page towards the right hand side and now the edit button is back. Thanks for going over this with me Hap. Have a good day my friend.

Thanks for tracing that down. It makes sense to me too!

Okay - this is a question and not a complaint. How is "Multi-quote" supposed to work. Thanks for being so patient with all the questions.

Well, it makes sense now.....after looking at my own buttons on my posts.... No need to PM yourself. And hopefully you're friends with yourself already. :) But for everyone else, they're there for them to use.

nope - - not on my own posts or my own profile.....but I see them on other people's. I do see the one for gallery. I've always had that one.

I think I found the problem with the missing buttons. For those that were experiencing it, have they shown up now? If not, could you try force reloading a page (CTRL + R) and see if they appear. If that doesn't work, try clearing your history. Hopefully they work for all. Krys -- could be the same issue with the buttons you're not seeing. Try the same steps.

Thanks George. I'm using Mozilla 5.0. I'll have to check again what is recommended. I also wondered if certain items just don't show up in one's own profile when one is looking at it. Hmmmmm

Thanks for all the hard work.

There is no "icon" next to my posts where someone can click to add me as a friend or send me a private message. Can you fix this? or did I do something wacky. Being friends is nice....but it's more important to get private messages to keep annoying comments and scathing remarks off the main boards.

Thank you Thank you Thank you, GT and Paw, for all you're doing while you could be sleeping and eating and other life stuff to get stuff figured out.

Well..I left it 3 times and went back..so I was kinda like the boy who cried wolf when I finally did leave..it took longer to get it out of my head than the time I spent physically in it! They never talked about it too me after that except once my dad asked why I hitch-hiked cross country. Nevermind.

Buttonology looks fine in Firefox. I suspect you may be consigned to hell for using Windoze and IE

Here is what the buttons are supposed to look like, using Safari 4.

Shell, you can scroll down all the way to the bottom of the page, under the page numbers and below the Google ad of the day, and you should see a "Fast Reply" box. Once you click on the box like you're going to write, it expands and you can type in it.

GT, thank you for all you're doing here and I gotta toss my own question in here. Thanks for the other answer, as well. I can't find the 'reply' feature and I'll bet I'm looking right at it. To reply, I hit the quote button, then erase that quote, then reply. Not a big deal, just probably there is some other way; a right way that I'm missing right in front of me.

There are a few quirks I've noticed with where one ends up after clicking a link. The blogs are the worse. May be fixed soon, but not anything I can do about it now. Can you shoot me a screen shot? Either posted here or PM. If you're on Windows, pressing ALT+PrintScreen will capture the current windows. Open up MS Paint, paste it in. Save it as a JPG. You're all set to up load it.

i can't find my controls and nothing happens when i click the dropdown box next to my name and clicking my shadow picture just takes me to my profile and i am logged in. oh oops. i clicked on a little picture that had nothing by it and nothing came up to tell me what it was but guess what? it was "edit my profile" or something. but i can't see most of the buttons now just the pictures but not the words or the outlines.

I do plan to put together a summary of the changes and new features eventually -- once I get everything running correctly. But briefly: Each post has, at the bottom right, a green plus (+) and a red minus (-) and a green or red number next to those. As you're reading along, if you like or dislike what someone wrote, you can give it a rating point (or take one away). Or you can do nothing. Posts that receive a rating of +30 or more (I think -- it's adjustable) get highlighted. Posts with a low negative rating can be auto hidden (a user settable preference). Over time, as people rate what you write, that becomes a part of your reputation.

Just a thought. The wording under a Topic heading (the description) is in really tiny type, and it may be helpful if that could be perhaps a size larger?

It looks like they may have changed the meaning of the size numbers. Not sure, never really used them much myself. Size = 1 Size = 2 Size = 3 Size = 4 Size = 5 Size = 6 Size = 7 Don't think it's a bug -- more of a new way of handling font sizes.

The place looks GREAT! I see the status bar on the right, but can't see how to post on it. Is it right in front of me? :)

My picture (avatar) doesn't seem to be there. Guess it needs to be re-loaded. This all looks so different.... Ooh, like the Smileys box! ****** Oh. Now I posted this...the picture is there. Guess it must go and grab information when somebody posts the first thing in this new format. ****** Gosh, I see it's three years since I joined the Cafe. Three years of getting my head back together. It's gone by quicklyl

George just start Firefox, File->import->IE

Thanks should go to GT, he's been the one that downloaded the entire forum, backed it up, upgraded and now is tweaking the whole thing.

I ran a routine to rebuild everyone's signature. I then manually fixed yours. Is it me or is it still not showing up right?

I believe the pre-upgrade quoted text will be corrected by the morning. Hopefully the emoticons are working again. Little buggers thought it was time for a coffee break....

emoticons are an issue. I'll look into it. All the posts are being rebuilt. It's about 25% done, quite a ways to go. I'll wait until tomorrow to address any formating issues in posts. Thanks for the feedback.

I think the blogs are fixed now. Anyone with a forum ID can create a blog here. Just click on your ID in the upper right and go to settings, then blog.

Apparently another issue is that the forum has forgotten which threads/posts you've already read. Not sure I can do anything about it. Chat room is offline also for a bit. It's on the todo list.

Half a God ??! I don't even think we knew who God was! Or we had the wrong God all along. They taught you must believe!! Believing equals receiving.. Yeah, what God does that?! Oh, the YOU GOD! And the off shoots haven't figured it out either.. CFF still teaches the believing junk.. STFI/CES goes a step further.. Their God is just like you, only a little smarter. He makes mistakes since he's not all knowing, but since he knows more than us, he makes better decisions, just not always the right one! Who could trust that God?! Yeah.. I know I got suckered into ignoring the "other" side of God that doesn't bark when I believed He should be barking!

ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil what's funny is they always focused on "ye shall not surely die" people want to be their own god, vpw said it was okay.