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Originally posted in the "God's accountant, etc." thread in response to a post that cited I Corinthians 2:14. We obviously don't look at I Cor. 2:14 the same way. I see it as Paul's way of inoculating his followers against the Reason virus. Usually, if someone disagrees with you, you respond by presenting additional evidence or reframing your argument. In one fell swoop, Paul makes that unnecessary by declaring his opponents incapable of grasping his concept because they lack what I [jokingly] call the Magic Decoder Ring. "How can he possibly understand the things of the spirit? He doesn't have what it takes?" "What's that? evidence?" "No, spiritual discernment!" "What's spiritual discernment?" "It's the God-given capacity to understand what I'm saying is true." "So it's a magic decoder ring that suddenly transforms your thesis from bulls hit to enlightenment." "Well when you put it like that it sounds silly and disrespectful. It's more like, when you humble yourself, God opens the eyes of your understanding." "Ah, so it's not a magic decoder ring at all." "Exactly." "It's gullibility." ... Note how in that conversation we go from "Paul's message doesn't make sense," which focuses on the message as the subject matter, to "It's a Yahweh thing; You wouldn't understand," which focuses on the rejector of the message as the subject. I Corinthians 2:14 is an ad hominem attack on anyone who hears or reads Paul's message and concludes it's a crock.

This won't be popular... I went to the ROA in '87 and '88. To this day that's what I think about as loving Christian community. Nothing else has been close. I hadn't been exposed to all the corruption I later heard about. For a new person it was just the most loving, uplifting environment. I was sky high. A friend came back from WOW totally blown away by God. My brother went to ROA that second year and he was lit up. I later brought my nephew in 1993 and all the fizz was gone. The immaculate grounds were no longer immaculate. It just sucked. I didn't go WOW. I didn't go Corps. TWI was a major stepping stone for me leaving college atheism and licentiousness and eventually linking arms with mainstream Christianity. Sorry for all who were hurt. Really sorry for anyone still harboring bitterness.

Nah. Basketballs existed before VPW, but nobody knew what to do with them so he invented the hoop.

Yeah...he was planning to sell wow burgers as big Macs...was right after he invented the hook shot....I think he invented the basketball too...

GSC is a good place to ask questions and revive your critical thinking skills to separate truth from error.

Wierwille was a false teacher who interlaced erroneous doctrine in his pfal class. Other than that, how was the class...play, Mrs. Lincoln?

Mickey Mouse BS Rocky!

Dude! Your first point was " Do you know if the movie claims to be a true and factual rendering of the history in question? " and I mentioned that the movie is based on a book that claims to be factual. I agree that everybody has a different perspective. Everybody has their own filter.

No one here is likely to imply or state that, mostly because it isn't even a reasonable request. However, I can easily be a FAIR judge. I can give positions with which I disagree a fair hearing, and evaluate them on their merits, or lack thereof. One should expect a FAIR judge. Naturally, a judge can hold an opinion, but that's not the same as requiring any evidence or side otherwise to be changed to match his opinions or even his convictions. A judge should be able to hear all sides FAIRLY, and proceed accordingly.

So continuing on in my folly - RAF for your benefit my proofs thus far have involved what you view as fictional characters, I will keep moving ahead. Lol. I really don’t engage my brain on the “what God should do” side of things much. For me a simple faith approach works better. Jesus Christ as Lord means I need some help on some things - most things actually. On the other side I engage the action like it’s me 100 percent responsible. And I’m happy with the results. As far as the scarcity of miracles, why is it that the only undefeated NFL team was the 1972 Miami Dolphins?