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ckeer, Jun 16 2005, 02:38 PM , "Athletes of the Spirit" thread. "I assume you are talking about the movie Staying Alive and the Show within the movie- Satans Alley. I remember LCM saying he used it as a basis for Athletes- I think I remember him showing clips from it at an explanation/ teaching about AOS." TheHighWay, Jun 16 2005, 11:52 AM, same thread. "Do you all remember that Loy-boy accused Sly of stealing his ideas for this movie from their original Athletes ROA production? Supposedly that was part of the reason Loy wanted to do a full-blown AOS... he stated he wanted to "do it right" and thumb his nose at Hollywood's devil spirits. Oh my... talk about ego." Bob, Jun 17 2005, 11:23 AM, same thread. "Here's what I recall Craig saying about AOS and Staying Alive: Sometime in the late 70's / early 80's, TWI did a skit on the ROA stage about AOS. Supposedly, someone from Hollywood was in the audience watching, liked what he saw, and copied it for use in Staying Alive. Loy got ticked off when Staying Alive came out, said they copied their ROA skit. So Loy copied, verbatim, the Satan's Alley section for AOS. If anyone can be sued for copyright infringement, it would be TWI by the producers of Staying Alive." outandabout, Jun 17 2005, 12:53 PM. "LCM came through San Diego one time around 1984-85. He used a scripture about learning things from "a little bird." In other words, the devil could transmit info via devil spirits. Thus, the original Athletes from ROA was given to the people who made "Stayin Alive." Therefore, TWI could take what they did in the movie and use it because it originally came from TWI. Uh huh... of course it all made sense to me at the time because LCM said it. He also was on his Seed of the Serpent trip. His big example was Steven Spielberg." TheHighWay, Jun 17 2005, 09:35 PM. " I was in-rez the year they were working on AOS, and every time Craig came to town (Emporia) he would talk at great length about every aspect of the production... his thought processes, the reasons behind all the costumes and dance moves, blah-dee-blah-blah... I'm sure I have the specifics somewhere in my notes, but off the top of my head, he stated that Sly Stallone was clearly "influenced" because at the time he and his wife were planning the timing of the conception of their child with star charts and the like. Because Sly was "influenced" he was getting insight into how to put "Satan's Alley" together accurately... ruling spirits, underling spirits, the decadence,writhing, etc. Craig said he wanted to do it from a Godly, Biblically accurate perspective. (essentially showing the devil up, not that he put it like that)." ------------------------------------------------- My list of ripoffs from that thread: "I caught the "Satan's Alley" segment. They could have sued his head off. "Satan's Alley" features: the scaffolding the villianess in red the villains in masks the grasping/writhing the "hero" in white the rising podium section the grunting/yelling sound effects the jumping combat the flying kick the white light representing the presence of God the one-one-one combat towards the end with the guy's shirt off" ============== Rascal, from the thread on the Passion of the Christ, Mar 24 2004, 11:39 AM "This reminds me of the whole athletes of the spirit fiasco.... LCM came to the advanced class ...he was so excited about having seen the *staying alive* movie with John Travolta....there was a scene where in the production John Travolta was doing involving a battle with devil spirits....Lcm was all hepped up about how twi could do it better ....more accurately more skillfully more dramatically...yada yada ...and thus the conception of aos was born...simply because HE, lcm wanted to show the world how twi could do it bigger and better than Holly wood ever could...... You know........even vpw couldn`t dissuade him from it.... That was the way it always was when I was in twi....if they hadn`t done it first....it wasn`t worth doing... Twi`s critisisms are so childish."

In retrospect all of the warning signs were there from the beginning regarding VPW's predatorial and sordid nature.

Certainly, some of the locals knew vpw's reputation growing up- he was a showoff, a braggart, and something of a bully. He used to zoom his motorcycle around, trying to get attention, All indications are that his own dad had a reputation for being mean and something of a bully as well (big surprise there, right?) When vpw said he wanted to go into ministry, NOBODY thought it was a good idea, starting with his Dad, and the locals certainly didn't think he had the right character for the job, so they didn't take him very seriously. Small wonder his first church was such a drive away from where he grew up (when they decided to move things back to the farm, he lost some of his church because it was too far to travel regularly for services.) During the twi era, vpw didn't exactly work hard making friends of the locals, either. When one neighbor complained of a racket, vpw told the noisemakers to make MORE noise, not less. I doubt that was an isolated incident.

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Ugh. Who would want to follow lcm? And he's also got titles of his teachings in French? It seems the likes to teach a lot out of R&E.