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Let’s look at this forgiveness topic from another perspective. The BODummies recently sent out a “come on home” postcard to a certain select group in their list of former member/slaves. They did not send out the postcard to the entire list. Most notably they don’t like people who post on this site and will never invite them back. On this site we don’t blame their victims but help them recover. We don’t excuse their immorality we call them out on it. We have done no evil here. Why can’t they forgive us for telling the truth about them? Why aren’t people hounding them to forgive everyone who left for understandable reasons? They use worldly designated “statuses” on their records to help them not forgive. And most of those mark and avoids like the RNR group were people trying to help them right the ship. I think some people should take their forgiveness guilt trip and shove it right back down the throat of the people demanding it of them but not doing it themselves. That’s what I do.

The real crux of the issue is offshoots using this garbage as an excuse to keep the cash cow running and preservinvg their jobs. Of course offshoots and anyone still idolizing false prophet wierwille demand forgiveness from the victims...but you know what? Thats deplorable to expect a victim to extend forgiveness when the perpetrators dont ask for it or repent of their jaded actions. So shame on anyone putting this garbage on people who have been wronged as they arent the ones who need to ask for or extend forgiveness unless repentance occurs and perpetrators make amends...which has never happened to my knowledge when it comes to all things wierwille. BTW - God himself doesnt forgive without repentance...we are to be followers of God. What we are told to do is give place to wrath and let God settle the account, which he will.

Why would someone come onto a place where Way victims congregate and start talking about forgiving? Do you think we haven't forgiven all the evil The Way brought? There's forgiving, then there's warning others. If someone mugged me in certain place I could forgive the mugger. However, I would also warn other to stay away from the place were the mugging occurred.

And yet. Jesus is reputed to have said: “Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing.” (Luke 23:34) This raises a couple of issues. (1) Jesus is asking his father to forgive them. He's not saying he forgives them. And yet: (2) We know that Jesus and his father are likeminded in all things, plenty of references to that. Jesus only does what the father wishes. If Jesus asks his father to forgive, but he himself does not, does that introduce a split personality if God is a trinity and a part of that trinity is saying one thing and another part is saying or thinking something different? That's a nice rabbit hole for trinitarians. Does Jesus have independent thought processes that do not line up with the fathr's wishes? And further: (3) This verse in Luke and the sentiments expressed therein appears only in Luke. No similar reference in Matthew, Mark and John. Many commentaries simply note: "Some early manuscripts do not have this sentence." Hmm. So not much to hang one's hat on, in the forgiveness line.

This is at best a partial statement that conveys none of the details surrounding the related verses. Jesus 70x7 statement is in the context of the person committing the wrong asking for forgiveness, evidencing remorse, but falling short. Wrongly dividing scripture and reaching a conclusion where a victim should be blamed but a perpetrator should be excused is about the worst example of Christianity I can think of. It shows worse than any other religion I can think of who would hold perpetrators accountable.