Nottawayfer

Well we all know this is how twi works. Their formulas are all BULL....!!! Stayed too long, don't let this get to you. TWI darkens everything we ever believed about God, His Word, and Jesus Christ. GOD IS FAITHFUL. We do see things happen that aren't always the best, but we can always get up, shake the dirt off, and move again. I stayed too long also (19 years and 9 months). I refuse to let them dictate how MY God operates. I am re-evaluating everything I've ever been taught, and my goal is to love God and desire Him like I did BEFORE twi. Allow God to reveal Himself to you. Look for His blessings; you may not realize how many He has already given you. ;)--> To handle yourself, use your head; to handle others, use your heart.

To handle yourself, use your head; to handle others, use your heart.

SongRemains: Were you drinking last night? I don't get it. Walker: I wondered was those ticks were. :D--> I'll go see the doctor about it.......ROFLMAO! Really my first post on this was right after coming in from seeing my car wheel locked up. Yeah, I cuss when I am livid. Maybe I need anger management. I have noticed in the last 2 years that I don't have much tolerance when I feel like I'm being screwed. I felt screwed by my apartment complex. (Sudo, I don't need any comments on them protecting me. That sounded like TWI to me.) Lindy: In reading the responses and thinking some more yesterday, it is my waybrain that lent itself to thinking that I was even being attacked. I want to change that thinking that just because **** happens, it must be an attack. Thanks for your funny story. That was quite a day for you and your wife. Take care. To handle yourself, use your head; to handle others, use your heart.

Well guys, I'm not so ticked anymore, just a little poorer ($105.00). Thanks to all who made me laugh. Especially Eaglehouse! I can just imagine saying love you to the grocery manager. :D--> Excathedra: You are too funny too! I loved that dog story. Sorry that dog got so ....y. To handle yourself, use your head; to handle others, use your heart.

Yeah, that's what I thought....... --> To handle yourself, use your head; to handle others, use your heart.

George: AAAARRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!! To handle yourself, use your head; to handle others, use your heart.

I'm on the way out of my apartment to go to work this fine morning. As I get to the parking lot, I see something on the tire of my car. When I get to the car, I see that my car has been immobilezed by a towing company because I don't have the effin sticker on my car from the apartment complex. We have assigned parking, and I figured that if I (the person who was assigned the damn parking spot) was the only one parking in the spot, there should be no problems. I was never told that I needed to put that sticker on my car. I have an aversion to bumper stickers and parking stickers. My stupid car still has the dumba$$ sticker from HQ on it. I covered it with a US flag because I couldn't get the damn thing off. Anyway, I call the effin towing company to come and take the immobilizer off my car. He is 20 miles away. I live in San Diego. Do you know what morning traffic is like here? It sucks. I yelled at the tow truck driver to get his *** here NOW! I am so ....ed. I am condmening myself in my stupd head that I am being attacked becasue I left the ministry. But then if I were in the ministry, the same thing would have happened and I would say I was being attacked because I'm doing the Word. What is it? The Way ministry has an explanation to fit everything that fits THEIR *****NG logic! I know that I'm not being punished for leaving twi. I know it was the absolutely best decision I have made in years. I chalk it up to the adversary is an *******. If you love God, he tries to get his jabds in to make your life difficult. Thanks for listening. To handle yourself, use your head; to handle others, use your heart.

Troubledwine: I right there with you about Christ making known God. I have come to have an EXTREME desire to know more about him since he is the head of the Church. TWI teaches that he is the subject of the whole Word, but they don't teach on his functions today. Obviously as the head, he must have some. I think they've missed the boat big time in this area. It's not about the trinity and worshipping him as God. There's just more to it than we've been told, and I'm on a mission to find out. I hope you fast track to your fork in the road. Even though I have been through some emotional times in the last month, I don't regret my decison one iota. To handle yourself, use your head; to handle others, use your heart.

Troubled: I wanted the special would be a deciding point for me. If what I saw there was promising, then I would stay. I was trying like hell to make it worth staying to keep my life simpler. I wouldn't have to tell my leaderdang I was leaving, wouldn't have to tell my boyfriend I was leaving, but that meant putting on my best twig face. The thought of living a lie was killing me. I guess you could say the great fellowship was my promise. It certainly wasn't the rehashed teaching, that BORING twi history lession from RFR, or the major lack of sleep I endured that made me want to stay. I realized I had to be true to my heart of hearts. When I started posting on GS, I wanted substantiated, solid evidence of the phoniness of the current bod. I heard some information which helped me to put 2 and 2 together from things I knew about while at HQ. This helped me to see their creepy ways. That helped me to make a decision that I wouldn't support the evil twi. So now, I answered you. I went to your other posts to learn more about you. You seem pretty knowledgeable about stuff that went on. Tell me why you stay? Obviously you know twi isn't Rosie. By the way, you mentioned something I wrote on another post about rfr makign people apologize for wrongs they did. The person I was mentioning was a dept coord who was also mentioned on another post about lesbians of the way. I heard this information second hand. Even if it were true, it doesn't make Rozi rosey. To handle yourself, use your head; to handle others, use your heart.

I would not be going out on a limb to say that twi does not practice what it preaches. Troubled: When I when the the acs, I was an emotional wreck. I knew the right thing to do was leave, but I had too much invested in my time in the ministry and my relationship. It was extremely hard for me to do because I could have lost my honey! Thank God he told me he loved me and wasn't going to dump me. That was one of the first things he told his fc too--he wasn't going to dump me just because I left the ministry. God I love that guy!! To handle yourself, use your head; to handle others, use your heart.

Trouble: Also, we've been taught that practical error leads to doctrinal error. If that is true, why would we even trust the doctrine we've been taught by VPW or LCM? They were both chronic adulterers? I was absolutely disgusted to find out the things VPW did. I want no part of a ministry with a foundation of adultery. To handle yourself, use your head; to handle others, use your heart.

Trouble: The main reason I left is because I see all of these people on GS who were treated like dogs and who still have not been apologized to for the wrongs that were done to them. How could I support something like that with a whole heart or my money? When twi recognizes that it needed to become a kinder, gentler ministry, why were any apologies made to people who were hurt? IMHO: They are fearful of being sued again, and again, and again. There are unresolved issues, and I know the bod aren't stupid to it. We know martinpuke won't come out to apoligize. When people were M&A'd, horrible things were shared about them at the lunchtime forum at HQ. These people are not the bad people they were made out to be. Why would you or I support that? I have seen a lot of a$$ covering and phoney smiles. To handle yourself, use your head; to handle others, use your heart.

Trouble: I would like to know more about you before spilling my guts. Why don't you tell me about yourself on a private topic to me. To handle yourself, use your head; to handle others, use your heart.

Thanks Eaglehouse! I sent you a private topic to see. To handle yourself, use your head; to handle others, use your heart.

Troubled: I did have a good time with the people. The people in twi aren't necessarily evil. I was happy to hear that people were thinking on their own and not waiting for bod excathedra to be announced before they made decisions to buy houses, etc. You may be skeptical of my leaving, but I couldn't stand to be hypocrital and go to fellowdang at the same time. I also couldn't support evils that had been committed to people that were not resolved and probably never will be. Hope this gets you off my cloud. Somehow I just don't like your tone of writing. To handle yourself, use your head; to handle others, use your heart.

Troubled: You totally read your own interpretation of things between the lines. I never said the other stuff didn't matter because of the people. Where did you get that? I don't know where you get that I was upset that people asked me what I learned. You need to ask more questions before firing darts at people. PS: I never went to Ohio. Get your facts straight. To handle yourself, use your head; to handle others, use your heart.

Steve! OK, you don't soudn arrogant. I knew I was going to leave too; I just didn't know when I would get enough nerve to jump off that 25 foot diving board. Really, that's what it was like for me. But once you do it, things are better. You just have other things to deal with. By the way, when you and chinson get married will she take on your last name and become chinson! :D--> To handle yourself, use your head; to handle others, use your heart.

Lindyhopper: I guess we did. By the way, I hope your parents get out too. I really like them. I saw them at the advanced-class-not-so-special. I talked to your mom. I always thougth of them a fun people. To handle yourself, use your head; to handle others, use your heart.

Rascal, Thanks!! When I signed up the second time to be a poster on GS, I put the past behind and started fresh. I am a different person, so I will see people in a new light. I don't think anything you said in particular was too hard, I think you were just trying REALLY HARD for me to see what was really going on. Love, Wayfer NOT! To handle yourself, use your head; to handle others, use your heart.

Red, That is a wild example of TWIs bull.... they pulled on people! I was at HQ and experienced quite a bit of micrcomanagement, but not as much as some--thankfully. We had married couples at HQ who worked under different cabinet overseeers. They both had a different set of rules; who does what? Who says TWI is a like-minded household? I say BS! When I left HQ, I lived with some people. They are very nice, but wanted to live like college people. They both worked different hours than I did. They were late owls. I had to go to bed early to get up early. We had very conflicting schedules, so I decided to move. Also, I worked quite a ways from work, so my commute was pretty long. I was tired of that. I live in a sunny state on the southern west coast, need I say more about traffic? I decided to move closer to work, and then made the arrangements. I told my roommates, my landlord (a nice lady in TWI), and my fc coordinator. All in that order. The only reason I gave the fc was that I was sick of traffice; I didn't want to bring my roomates' life-style into it; it wasn't their business. I got reproved for not considering my fc in the process of making my decision. Afterall, there is safety in a multitude of counselors, right? I told the fc that I wasn't undecided about the decision and that I didn't need counsel. That didn't make me too popular. This fc talked to the bc (who was also the lc) and must have made some big deal because all of a sudden my roommates were getting calls to see if they felt jilted because I was moving. I had given 30 days notice. Isn't that plenty of time? I ended up giving them my last month's rent (which I had already paid when I moved in and was expecting to get back) so they would have more time to find another roommate. This made my decision acceptable. What a crock! To top things off, my fc called me to ask me if I have the landlord 30 days written notice. Afterall, the landlord was a believer. The fc made it their duty to see that I handled everything properly. I told the fc I was an adult, and I handled all that I was supposed to. I get soooooooooooooo peeeessed off thinking about this crap! This all happened after Martinpuke left! Who says it's a kinder, gentler ministry??? I don't!! Innies wake up!!! (Sorry this post was sooooooo long!!) To handle yourself, use your head; to handle others, use your heart.

Red, I am out now, and I post as Wayfer Not! I'm glad you found freedom! Welcome! The capuccinos are especially good :)--> To handle yourself, use your head; to handle others, use your heart.

We were told by certain people at HQ that experience wasn't the best learning. I tend to disagree with that for the most part. This morning I was on my way to work. I was irritated that someone was trying to push their way in front of me as they were turning. I got to the exit of the complex where I live, where I had to make a right on the road to travel on. I pulled too far out on to the sidewalk along the road and almost hit a boy on a bike! I almost crapped my pants! We got to that space of sidewalk almost at the same time. I was too busy trying to see how quick I could get on the road. There was no traffic coming, but I sure didn't look on the sidewalk. I was horrified with the fact that I could have hit that kid! I learned that I need to stop BEFORE the sidewalk. The situation this morning made a very lasting impact on my mind. I learned from this experience. What do you guys think about learning from experience? To handle yourself, use your head; to handle others, use your heart.

Lindyhopper, Bless your heart! That's quite a story. Based on the mention of B-more and your brother being in the Corps, I think I knew your parents when I was a WOW in 1984-1985. You were pretty young, so I really didn't get the opportunity to know you. Isn't it great to be living life the way you want to? I'm thoroughly enjoying life WITHOUT TWI. To handle yourself, use your head; to handle others, use your heart