Nottawayfer

Mandii, Your link doesn't work. Could it be because armeggedon is spelled incorrectly? Heck, I don't even know how to spell armeggedon. I tried to do a google search, no luck finding it. Can you help? I would like to see this link. Thanks.

Lindy, ewwww...... I always thought the grease spots were on the road, not in your shorts.

Steve! Thanks for the correction. But when she denies the fact that she admitted knowing what happened previously (in which I heard her deny this while I was at HQ), the rest of the wayfers can actually see that she knew for at least a year and supported lcm as president. There's no denying that, so she can't lie her fool head off about that one. We saw it happen.

The support that the trustees gave lcm after knowing that he was a sexual predator sickened me. They allowed him to continue to be president for a whole year after knowing about it. They didn't take actions until they were at risk for being sued. This showed me they cared more about money than people. They haven't changed; they are still the same today. Otherwise they would come out on public forum to apologize to all people hurt by their previous president's actions. They would acknowledge he was an obsessed nazi from hell. Their silence proves their guilt.

I recently left, but I don't have family in. I have a boyfriend in. We have had a lot of conflict because of it. I remember a past post of someone mentioning a possibility that some innies want to leave but don't because of family members. In the same light, those family memebers want to leave but don't because of family also. Maybe some family should just communicate how they really feel. It might spark some great things for them all. It would be quite ironic if everyone wanted to leave but didn't because of each other. It doesn't hurt to just mention your curiosities.

I had a similar experience with an innie friend of whom I had not told about my departure from twi. She instant messaged me, and I told her that she should know that I wasn't "in" anymore. She asked if she could call me. I said yes. I wasn't surprised by her. She questioned me, and I told her I just saw too much crap and that I didn't believe the crap about the true household or Eve having a lesbian experience. Her response to me was "Well, did you go back and research it for yourself?" I told her it was too ridiculous to even consider it truth and it didn't take a very smart person to figure that out. I also told her to consider the teacher and his life-style. Honestly, we all should have laughed our @$$es off when we heard that stupid teaching. I'm sure she thought I was just using that for an excuse, but I didn't and don't care. She means well, and she is convinced she is in the best ministry in the world. Good for her if she believes that. I'm not trying to convince her otherwise. But if she ever questions things, I'm pretty sure I'll be the first she calls. Then I can tell her LOTS!!! I'll be here for her. :D-->

Oldies Man: You are right, healing does come from the God, but sometimes you have to realize that talking about things helps people to realease also. The Word of God does not refute this. I guess that you should consider this thread a party you haven't been invited to. Sorry, I'm not meaning to sound rude. Even if you are within the guidelines of GS, you are not helping. Consider that. The jist of this thread is not the things you are talking about. If you are trying to make a point to help these women, then fine. But you aren't. Can you see that? There once was a girl from Nantucket....

Oldies: Some times you need to just keep your opinions to yourself on a thread like this. These women who had these experiences need this to help in healing. Ex hasn't talked much about this, and she is entitled to talk about it without anybody else trying to discredit any aspect what she is saying. I used to be like you. Now I am more understanding because I realized I haven't walked in their shoes and that not everybody would react to a situation the same way I would. So I guess I'm saying that compassion is in order here instead of arguing (discussing--whatever you want to call it). You said earlier: Again, I say that you haven't walked in their shoes, therefore, it is impossible to determine victimization. Everybody is different. I know I've been in a few situations that would be described as victimization. I didn't feel that way, but it doesn't mean that someone else would feel the same. It's all in the heart of the person. Example: You say something to someone and they take it the wrong way. You don't realize that you affected the person that way until they express their hurt or anger. A compassionate response would be to say sorry, you didn't mean to sound the way it was taken. It allows you to move on. Let these women move on. Thanks. There once was a girl from Nantucket....

I saw her at the last Limb meeting I went to for the anniversary. She is married to Jim Perry, and she looks very happy. They have one or two children now. There once was a girl from Nantucket....

Steve! I was born and raised there. I lived in Klamath Falls until 1984 (went WOW to Texas). Moved back to Oregon in 1988 (to Portland). Lived in Portland a few times between 1988 and now. I'm a webfoot, and darn proud of it! I'd live there now, but I just love So. California weather too much (it was 80 degrees today)! There once was a girl from Nantucket....

Sir, I am positive I know you from the wild, wild west. I used to live in Oregon. If you are who I think you are, I haven't seen you since Word in Business 1996 (before you went to Gunnison). I wondered what happened to you. It seemed so sudden at the time; but considering all I know about TWI now, it makes perfect sense. I remembered you as a very tender-hearted guy. You can email me at wayferlookin@yahoo.com if you like. There once was a girl from Nantucket....

Larry, Quin, and Larry left HQ a few years ago to live in Toledo. I saw Larry and Larry at the ACS last November. I never knew Monica, so I don't know where she is. But as far as her family, they could still be in. There once was a girl from Nantucket....

Is she the daughter of Larry and Quin Renfrow and a brother named Larry? They were on Staff at HQ for years and years and years. There once was a girl from Nantucket....

Wayward: How 'bout this: You are already witnessing to too many people in your work, children's school, neighbors, etc., so you don't want to squelch the quality time you spend with them to take on more. Sounds good to me.... There once was a girl from Nantucket....

Edited :D--> [This message was edited by Wayfer Not! on February 05, 2003 at 12:36.]

Wayward, Are you really required to go? I LOATHED mandetory things--suggestion tantamount to a command. If you don't go, you are questioned. What about witnessing reports? Someone else mentioned this on a thread a few weeks back. The purpose of it: so HP could "believe" with the ones witnessing. Sounds to me like twi is shrinking, $$$$ are shrinking, and maybe napkinlady will see her wish: Fold TWI! Fold! Regarding witnessing reports: Did they ask anyone if they WANTED to do that? I loathed witnessing reports too! I hated getting that call or email saying: "Did you forget your witnessing report?; You know, I need those no later than blah, blah, blah." Nobody ever asked me if I WANTED to do a stupid report. I knew of one situation where someone brought in their witnessing report on paper. It was brought in time, but the fellowdang coordinator reproved them saying she wanted it emailed. The person told her they didn't like email (they aren't a technical person and had problems in the past with their email). The fellowdang coordinator came on strong to this person until he gave in and said OK. Poor fool. I was listening in the other room, and wanted to kicker her A$$!!! Nazi B*tch!! I wished I would have stood up against her for this poor fool. Sorry I didn't. There once was a girl from Nantucket....

Erick: Here's something to consider: Maybe you would think differently about VPW and his actions if it had been your family--sister, mom, girlfriend, or wife--who had been coerced into servicing him. Would you be so forigiving then? He was a sicko either way you look at it. He used his power to get women. There once was a girl from Nantucket....

Just say: "I don't want to". It works in their faux kinder gentler attitude, but you have to be prepared to answer questions for inquiring minds that want to know (GAWD I hated that!!). What are they going to do? Kick you out? That would be no big deal. Hopefully you don't have a husband who has an inquiring mind. You know how the people in your area are. It worked for me. There once was a girl from Nantucket....

I saw him at the Advanced Class Special last November, so he is still in. He lives in Las Vegas, and he flies leer jets. There once was a girl from Nantucket....

I actually tried to pause and rewind a tv show. Me not so smart. --> There once was a girl from Nantucket....

I left twice, but on my own accord. I left in 1990 after lcm drew the line in '89 and demanded loyalty. I went back in 1992. Then I left just recently. I was never m&a'd; I guess I was too good a little wayfer. I guess the closest I ever came to being on twi's sheetlist is when I didn't give in to one FCs demands to involve her in every detail of my life. She was mini-martinpuke. Sad thing is: she really believes that you have to control EVERYTHING!! My ex-boyfriend and I lived on opposite coasts before he moved to my coast. I planned a trip to visit him and called the FC to let her know I wouldn't be at fellowship because of my trip. I was still looking for work after leaving HQ, but I had been working temporary jobs to cover my living expenses and this trip. After letting the FC know I wasn't going to be at fellowship because of the trip, she said: "NO, I don't think that's best for your life. You are looking for a job, and you will be missing days from doing that." I told her my decision was made and I wasn't asking her permission. TWI is kinder, gentler? I think the top dogs need to look at the middle dogs to see what the hell they are doing. There once was a girl from Nantucket....

I walked away. I don't feel hurt by walking away, but I am hurt in how it caused contention with my boyfriend. I am ....ed at twi for teaching that they are the one and only stop to God Himself. If only the innies remembered.... God is not limited to one little ministry in podunk ohio claiming to have the only truth concerning God and His Word. HE IS NOT A RESPECTOR OF PERSONS, and He does work in people OUTSIDE twi. If only they would wake and and take a look at the fruit produced by twi: it's putrid. There are too many situations where people have been and continue to be treated badly. Glad I'm out so I can start living again. To handle yourself, use your head; to handle others, use your heart.

I felt like a slave some times. Especially during advanced classes--we worked mega hours then. Glad I don't anymore. ;)--> To handle yourself, use your head; to handle others, use your heart.

Insurgent: Well said! You are exactly right. This is how they kept us in for so long: fear (sand in the machinery of life......blah blah blah BS!!!) To handle yourself, use your head; to handle others, use your heart.

This reply is to my boyfriend since he's reading my posts and doesn't understand my reasoning on this subject: Dear B: The point I was trying to make in the quoted lines above show you how ridiculous the logic of twi is. I was ticked off for reverting back to my almost 20 years of bull.... thinking while I was in. I don't believe I was being attacked because of leaving, and I don't believe I was being attacked because I was doing the Word. I wasn't attacked; the way would just like me to think that. I refuse to overspiritualize events that happen. When you got all those parking tickets, were they attacks on you? No, you just didn't know the law or slacked in area just like I slacked in putting the stupid sticker on my car. No spiritual explanation needed. Overspiritualizing is a thing that started with lcm, and you know how I feel about his sorry a$$. Why would you still believe his BS? If his logic were true, he should be in sorry shape with what he did. I'm sorry how things transpired with us, but I am not sorry I left twi. My itentions are not to appear to be throwing darts at you, I just want you to understand where I am coming from. I still love you even though we cannot work out our differences. PS: I got $100 in the mail today. I almost covers the $105 I had to pay the towing company. To handle yourself, use your head; to handle others, use your heart.