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There's information on the web saying his wife's name is Marilyn, and she is the VP of Eharmony. I haven't been able to find a picture. Maybe she wants Mr. Warren to be the PR man? Here's a webiste with more information on him: Eharmony Article Look at the box with his credentials? Princeton theological seminary???

I guess that can be funny. But honestly if you feel you are on a job interview all night, then you probably won't be having another date with that person. Not all dates are that way. ;P

Obviously nobody can confront VPW to his face. But one person here at GSC tried, and she wasn't anonymous. She got no result from VPW. He didn't want to address it. Maybe it was too negative for him??? He hid behind his curtain of lies to avoid answering questions he should have answered. I have a friend who talked to LCM face-to-face. He denies doing anything wrong because he thinks what he did was acceptable because VPW sanctioned it. Let's be real about what happened. If it didn't happen to you, it doesn't mean it didn't happen.

So are you saying that if you had a daughter, sister, or wife who came to you heartbroken because VPW (or anyone else) did these things to them, you would consider it boring and too negative? And would you dismiss it? I'd like to be the first to take your blinders off, and take away that broom so you can't sweep anymore dirt under the carpet.

This is the BEST advice any woman (or man) could ever get. Some people believe it is better to have loved than not love at all. Those are people willing to take a bigger risk IMHO. I'd rather learn my lesson in fewer times because as Sushi says: THE LESSONS ARE REPEATED UNTIL THEY ARE LEARNED.

If a guy drops in front of your door, still make him jump the hoops....you are worth it! I love ya Belle darlin', and if I were a man, I'd date you in a heartbeat. :P

Oh my gosh....what inconsiderate bastards to treat someone that way when they needed so much. They gave that poor girl a scorpion, not the love of God they proclaim to be the best at showing. What hypocrites! It makes me ill. (((((LIZ)))))

They put too much work in to the poster each year IMHO. They make the vendor make so many changes before they give the final "OK". It's not that the changes really make a big difference. It's a matter of being anal retentive (they call it attention ot detail ). Over what? Some stupid poster people put up in their living rooms and then toss the next year or save it for nostalgic reasons (where's that barfing emoticon?). I NEVER hung that stupid poster up in my house.

After my eharmony incidient, I never paid for a dating website again. I figured if a guy was interested, they would figure out a way to contact me. It worked. I never let the pressure of "what if" get in the way. I had a friend who paid for ever one of those services, and she kept paying for them even after she didn't want to. She just forgot they were still collecting their money from her account because she forgot to tell them to cancel her.

Here's a link to an article: Eharmony Article I did internet dating. I had more dates than I care to remember. Not all were good, and not all were bad. I did meet my wonderful husband on yahoopersonals.com. I tried eharmony for one months. It cost me $50. I took their personality test. I'm surprised I wasn't rejected with the waybrain I still had going at that time. I had very recently left TWI at the time. What does that tell you? Now I see a commercial about people who are trying to figure out why they were eharmony rejects.....hmmmmm. Eharmony claims to have a scientific method for matching up people. I can honestly say that the matches they sent me were the WORST! I had the most arrogant arsehole tell me I was a little too hefty for him. Hello!!! My profile said I was hefty! I didn't lie! At the end, I saw he wasn't very attractive, so his looks matched his personality. No loss for me. I decided eharmony was overrated and did all of the other sites. At least you can honestly sift to the BS at those other sites. At eharmony, you expect the good money you pay is bringing you quality people. Trust me; they are the same no matter where you go. You still have to do the work yourself. The websites just make more options in your reach. I can't figure out why this page is all stuck together. I separated paragraphs when I originally typed it. hmmmm... GreasyTech edit: Fixed paragraphs. ;)

Communication in marriage surely has to be a 2-way street. If it doesn't happen in the courtship, I guarantee it won't happen in the marriage. In courtship people are so willing to overlook so much. I overlooked a lot in my first husband. I was 25 and ready to commit my life and love to him. I was willing to talk openly about ANYTHING. I didn't believe in secrets in a marriage. Unfortunately my first husband had many. 3 years in to our marriage, I find out he has a problem with crack cocaine. I found drugs and a glass pipe in a shoe box on his side of the closet. I felt betrayal as if I had found him with another woman. I realized I didn't know him, and he had a part of his life that he didn't tell me about. I was shattered. Then I was ....ed off. I never felt the same. Our marriage had been pretty tumultuous, but I never knew why because I was so naieve about drugs thanks to TWI. That day I quit feeling so committed to my marriage. I gave him an alternative: rehab or divorce. He chose rehab. I knew nothing about codependecy at that time either. He wanted to be with me because I was like the mother he never had. Trust me; it wasn't a marriage. There was no love, no sex, no sharing. Just 2 people who cared about each other and lived together. That's not the kind of marriage I wanted. I didn't want to bring kids in to that kind of relationship either. It took me 3 more years before I would leave this man. Once I did leave, that was it. I NEVER looked back. Six months after our divorce he got remarried. He had an abusive relationship with his second wife. They beat each other. Then I found out he married wife #3 shortly after that. I used TWI as an excuse to divorce him. I did hurt him, but I don't regret leaving him. It was the best thing I did for ME. He had an illness, and I couldn't help him. He had to help himself. I lost trust in him. I knew it would be easy for him to run back to his "lover". I did email him about 3 years ago to tell him my thoughts after I cleared my waybrain and to honestly apologize for the hurt I caused him. The only thing he could say was "You hurt me!!" We had been divorced for 9 years by that point. He had been married to #3 for 5 years by that point. It showed me how thankful I was to get out of that scenario. I spent a lot of lonely years in my 30s, but it took that amount of time for me to see me. I dealt with not having regular sex; not having companionship, not having someone to share my life. Every day I didn't have those things helped me to become stronger about what I wanted in a relationship. It was that time that showed me my last relationship in TWI was not one that I wanted to pursue marriage in. I KNEW that relationship would end up in divorce. I couldn't do that again. I spent a lot of time talking with God. I vowed to God I would not marry again until I knew without a shadow of a doubt that it was right. When I met my second husband, I was very careful. He seemed "googly-eyed" and crazy about me. I didn't get that way about anyone anymore because I knew that was a phase in most relationships. I wanted to get to the real meat of the relationship. I knew I liked being with him. I knew he was a genuine-hearted person. I knew he was gentle, caring, and loving by nature. It took God telling me in an audible voice to my brain that I was going to marry this guy. I fought that voice because the logic was against my nature. I couldn't be happier in my life today. I truly owe my happiness to God.

I know it is her Act2. You just don't miss hair that color (it was natural BTW). Plus her face still looks the same the last time I saw her (which was 2002).

I know that we all have influences about marriage. Maybe some of us grew up with loving parents. Maybe those parents put on a story because that's what people did back in time. Maybe you grew up with parents who had a tumultuous marriage. I did. Then I got involved in TWI. We all know what kind of influence that can provide. Not all are bad, but the idea of marriage in TWI was not ideal especially if you are a woman. I don't think anyone has to be the head. That is the biggest BS story I ever heard. But then again, I no longer believe the Word of God is the Will of God. I believe in God, and I consider myself Christian, but there are way too many things in the Bible that just are not always practical, especially in this day and age. My husband and I are equals. We treat each other as equals, and we don't disrespect each other. Neither one of us lords over the other. I was never an equal in any other relationship I had. All of my previous relationships in my adult life were wayfer-based relationships. Dot, I think most love songs are based on people in lust trying ot figure out why love didn't happen. It's mostly based on disfunctional sex.

It's hard to say with what that article entails. What have you read that makes it a plausible thought Rocky?

I've been married twice, and I have had several relationships. On the honeymoon of my first marriage, I knew I made a mistake. That was the worst 6 years of my life, and it was a lesson well-learned. My last boyfriend in TWI didn't deserve me, but it took me 2 years and leaving TWI to figure it out. I've had some terrible relationships. There was much soul-searching for me before I would get in to another relationship. I learned to love my life without a man before getting another. Today I feel like I am loved by my husband more than any person on this earth has EVER loved me. He loves me inspite of my personality flaws. He's doesn't turn a blind eye nor is he naieve, but he is genuinely an easy-going person who doesn't hold grudges. It wasn't until I learned to love myself and decide what kind of life I wanted to live that we found each other. We are like 2 magnets, and I know we will be together until death do us part. I've never felt that way about any previous relationship. I was 40 and he was 42 when we met. We were both divorced, and I think that our time in this world along with knowing how we wanted to live has allowed us to live blissfully. He is incredibly loving; he likes to kiss and spoon and hold my hand DAILY. Some men may not find that very macho. If they knew what spooning and kissing got them, they might do it more often! ;) We've been together for 4 years next month. It might seem like a short time, but it has been enought time to prove to me that this is where I want to be the rest of my life. I'm pretty bossy. I like to tell drivers where to turn, when to slow down, all of the annoying stuff. When I first did that to my husband, he just kept driving where HE wanted to go and didn't say a word. I would say "Did you hear what I said?" He said, "Yes, but I"m not doing it." I had to start laughing. My husband has taught me how to curtail my bossy nature without a fight. Now that is a skill IMHO.

Too weird seeing the picture. I know quite a few people in it.

The girl in the back row, 4th from the left, with almost white blonde hair looks like S*san B*nam. She was my roommate in Portland, Oregon in the late 80s. She grew up in Medford, Oregon. We also worked together in Word Processing at HQ. I believe she was 13th Corps.

The Cartography section of our office uses ESRI maps. I believe they are the leader in the industry for providing GIS. We are happy with their product, but it is not cheap. You might check with your county website to see if they have GIS mapping available on their website too. Sometimes those maps are a little more detailed than Google.

I liked watching her on TV after I first left TWI. I went to see her in San Diego about 4 years ago. I got disgusted because she said that you wouldn't get anything out of her ministry if you didn't support it financially.

I worked with her as well. She left Interior Design to work in Printing Services with her husband. We worked side-by-side. I actually enjoyed knowing her. I worked at HQ for 3 years before working with her, and I thought she was stuck up. I think she's just not a overtly sociable kind of person. When you get to know her, she's a lovely person. At least that was my experience. I don't want to discredit anyone else's experiences. This same lady told me that she knew a woman who was distressed over having sex with VPW. She told me this right after the LCM fiasco happened. Her thoughts were "Do you leave the Word just because someone did something wrong?" My thoughts right now are "HELL Yes!!" We all know leaving The Way does not equate with leaving the Word (whatever that means ) or leaving God. I sure wish some of the good ones still in could figure that out.

QUOTE The guy in the yellow scarf used to be my boss. Excie, do you know him? He's been at HQ for over 25 years.

Those outfits are TERRIBLE!!! The guy in the yellow scarf used to be my boss.

It's a momentous time to be in the household of The Wonderful Way International! Where's that barfing emoticon? How long until they don't have anymore material to rehash?? Gawd!

It is monumental IMHO that the girl testafied. There was another girl here in Mohave County who was pressured by her family and refused to testify. They held her in custody. I don't know what became of it. Those girls must be in terrible turmoil to be raised like that. They probably think there is nothing outside the life they know. Every once in awhile I see a few in our County building when I am heading out for lunch, and most of the women I see look older. I haven't seen the really young ones. They probably keep them at home to elude scrutiny. What a shame this culture has been for girls.

Fair and balanced???? Here's my suggestion I sent in an email to them: "Since "Jesus Christ Is Not God" is such a cornerstone of the beliefs of The Way International, don't you think it is deceptive to not mention it in your "fair and balanced" view of the organization? You don't even mention it in your book list. It would only be honest to mention that to those looking at this "fair and balanced" look at The Way International."