Ham

On a mission from God.. Don't get me wrong.. but JL doesn't resemble either of these characters..

and I think that is IT. I can live with my "skewed" perspective. Weird stuff.. but I don't have to agree even with myself.. maybe "seriously troubled" isn't that so far off the mark..

at least on the large scheme of things..

I dunno.. maybe we were sent just to observe this.. any intervention I've tried has had rather minimal effect..

"famous people".. hmm. No, I don't think jl is "famous". Maybe he could have been.. but his claim to "fame" is being a "leader(?)" in a little itty bitty second rate organization.. da way, it was.. if anything, I think people here are holding out an offer or NORMALCY to him.. you know.. a place where his laundry does not smell any better than anyone elses.. well, its a thought.. Personally.. I think he was damaged worse than a lot of us in the old organization. Why? He will never admit it.. but that brings us back to the "full sharing" issue. I usually don't claim absolutes, but I don't think it will ever happen..

might because when I was a young ham, I wallowed in a patch of poison ivy. Then came the (practically) endless regimen of shots of various steroids and such.. and that was back in the days they really weren't so good finding a good vein to put said re-used dull needle into.. (yes, they actually reused them. They put them in some kind of sterilizer..) probably kept me away from heroin in the "old days"..

I dunno Geo.. some of us need a hobby. I don't think the problem is having a hobby.. I think it's trying to SELL it.. i.e. making money off of it.. as far as any of my own personal beliefs regarding bigffoot, flying saucers, Buddhism, numerology.. ahem, well, no, I've never subjected myself to acupuncture, it might be my inate aversion to needles.. any current model I have of the universe is not any more or less illusionary than anyone elses..

and j.l. scouring the countryside for sustenance.. going to one "twig" after another for donations.. Maybe I've said enough..

I've seen all of this before.. again and again, on an individual as well as organizational level.. I dunno.. isn't that kind of living in a "worthless" manner? I mean.. one wants the connection.. the love, the benefits, and no or little personal sacrifice or cost? kinda "selfish" if one would ask me.. "full sharing"? Bah.. .

I dunno.. just looking at it.. doesn't the organization itself appear for lack of better words.. "schizophrenic"? I'm not saying *they* aren't "nice people" or anything.. and the *organization*.. "firing" or having a "mutual parting of ways" with jl.. isn't that not unlike the Frankenstein monster strangling its own creator?

what about the concept of "full sharing".. even by their terms? just seems to me.. in that respect, they are sorely lacking.. I don't see how a "need to know" qualifies as "full sharing". damage control.. enough information to keep the following from haemorrhaging.. doesn't exactly qualify does it?

somehow it all seems "insane".. they claim to live their lives "transparently".. in da lovagawd and all.. but somehow, one is not supposed to look behind the transparent undies and all.. it just doesn't add up to me.. maybe you could explain it in less "biblical" terms..

somehow I thought they were a church or some kind of public entity. *They* really can't have a personal life, now, can they? and all this nonsense, about how their "operation" of the "gifts of the spirit" can't be "corrupted" as they say with "character faults".. ? to which I would say.. "wanna bet sucker?" like some have said, one can't have your cake and eat it too.. so.. the way I read all of this.. *they* are a public entity, as long as the cash keeps rolling in.. but DARE touch their "private" lives, and lines are drawn.. friggin MORONS. They will never "get it"..

Maybe it has something to do with the fig pep and all.. actually.. I think the familia tasted a whole heck of a lot better with a little bit of olive oil.. but I "rolled my own" (the familia).. and it was a lot more generous with almonds, walnuts, pecans, etc.. than what would ordinarily be served..

I dunno.. in a way, its nice to fit one of the above descriptions. *They* will leave you alone.. won't "witness" so much or anything..

reincarnation advocate.. hmm. what's really weird.. people who fit the above descriptions, I have a *serious* interest in understanding why they think what they think.. as far as reincarnation goes.. I have a few vivid impressions of what may have been in other lifetimes. But of course, it is all subjective. It might only be another illusion, no worse than others..

I thought that was how it always has been..

I almost expected you to say.. If it walks like a multi-level marketing program, and quacks like a multi-level program...

I dunno.. if one can avoid them.. I'll ask the question, why didn't you avoid them.. to which I would say.. I absolutely agree. maybe it just wasn't the experience one wanted, or expected.. well.. I won't say unexpected. Or unwanted.. at least personally..

I wonder how much Federal and State income tax he pays.. Yeah, he's probably a tax exempt outfit, but he DOES draw a salary, doesn't he?

Sounds pretty "nuts" even by my standards..

Isn't he just a tad too old for this kind of nonsense? Just saying..