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I did not follow his career very closely but, I remember when he went to Russia, may have been in the early seventies? Whenever it was, it was a big deal at the time for anybody to go there, especially if you were of the religious sort. Seems he came back quite a bit softer after seeing some of the bigger picture in the world..

Nobody was touching the flower either. Of course, nobody else saw it doing its little song and dance.. I think I felt like the looney tunes guy who saw a hundred year old frog get up and do the boogey.. "paranormal", heh heh. I was probably "almost" in a legal condition at the time.. Def, does that count close enough to "para legal" for you? Heh heh.

Even in over twenty years.. if somebody asked me "who is VP" I would probably still have to say "I have no idea"- the only thing I knew about him was his public persona. He sure could put on a good show- of course that really says nothing about the true character of an individual. I learned about his true character here. I found myself in the same predicament as you Belle- I threw everything out, at least mentally- believing, stuff about manifestations, everything- still refuse to read his stuff. Slowly, I find myself picking SOME of the stuff back up.

Well.. thanks, I think, heh heh. I understood the "Rozilla" part- definitely an apt description. "Rug Muncher"- I think I am starting to get it, I am a little dense at times, heh heh.

I was always kind of partial to Dr. Seuss rhymes..

Groucho, it sounds funny enough- just don't know what you are alluding to, heh heh. Please explain-

Once I saw a flower sitting on the kitchen table sit up, turn around and "look" at me.. I think my condition was para- legal at the time.. At least it didn't talk. I would've really freaked, heh heh.

"Think about it, Craig's last act: install Rosie." I think that's kinda like, Fords first official act, pardon Nixon.

I think the unique belief distinguishes the cult, or group.. but destructive behavior defines it. And usually- they will fight to the death to defend their unique belief, and simply ignore the destructive behavior. Wayfer Not, some of the experiences have been the same for me- as far as dismissing folks as being "nuts" for holding beliefs that they do. Several weeks ago I went to a Unitarian Universalist church one morning.. that was REALLY different, but I would not call them a cult exactly. I actually sat there trying to figure out what they had to offer, or what they were about without jumping up and screaming "you're all possessed" or some such nonsense, heh heh. Maybe there's hope for us after all..

And thank you to whoever deleted that stupid thread for me..

The "don't condemn yourself" line did very little good in the old days I think. I like my pain- at least I won't touch the stove in the same manner again. After kicking my own a** a couple times, I am starting to calm down a little, heh heh.

Yep.. at least anymore, seems I have a little more of a conscience.. at least I hope so. Years ago wouldn't give it a second thought. Its just too easy to damage people with words. Too easy to speak, or to type, for that matter..

Good grief- did it again. God, I can be a miserable, self-righteous, venemous, miserable SOB sometimes, and think its just being funny. Reminded me of the good old days at the worst of times. Its almost as if I never left that stinkhole, at times.. Sometimes, I wish I could just go somewhere and hide, heh heh. Anybody else go through anything like this?

Snort, ha ha ha ha ha..

Gotta get some exercise somehow I guess, heh heh.

Nope, nothing there.. whew, THAT was a close one, heh heh heh heh heh.

I'll have to run home and check under the bed real quick, heh heh.

Or it just could have been the splinters, heh heh.

Heh heh.. well, last time waldo, I mean Rev, cough cough, spit, ptooie- was seen, actually, I think nobody really HAS seen him. Probably has to dress up like a bum or something to get past anybody anymore. Probably holed up under a UPS truck somewhere.. who knows- Life can't be too pleasant, you'd think. Reminds me of my early years- our pet cocker spaniel had a few more morals. Honestly though, I'd hope that he'd be somewhere coming to his senses.

Kind of like saying, "well, sorry we cut off your otherwise healthy leg. On the upside, at least it will never hurt again". For a few perhaps, they ended up OK- but most would have been far better off being treated like human beings. When I left, I had somewhat of a life- a job, a nice comfy place to stay, food on the table, a family- some SUPPORT. Others did not have any of these "luxuries". Some people that were subjected to that kind of "tough love" DIED. Literally. Stone cold dead. And it was NOT THEIR FAULT. But Loy AND CREW wouldn't let the dead rest in peace- marched out every stinking perceived failure of these guys, showing how "devilish" they were, how spiritually dark, how etc. etc. etc... all to keep the other little wayfers and staffers "in line". Despicable. Thankfully, I only heard these kind of rants only once or twice. I can't imagine what it was like for the staffers. No wonder some are terrified to leave. Cripe- you leave, and they PRAY that you'll die. "Christian" organization- ha. It's been about ten years- and I know some of those numbnuts that STILL pray for me to die. Go back to the "good old days"? Ptooie.

Maybe not in those exact words. But pretty close. "Imagine ALL ETERNITY and you're gonna be cleaning the crapper instead of doing something fun- unless you do what I tell you" was a lot closer to what he said- just can't remember the exact words. Sure got me to ignore how miserable I was. Only problem, I think it only works to a certain extent. I got to the point that I thought I'd have a better time in the hot place. He went too far- lost a little bit of the grip. After a while, any anticipated "rewards" lost their luster- just not worth the misery I was paying to earn them..

Amazing- can't leave, can't even leave for a LITTLE WHILE without somebody's nose all the way up your rear.. I'm glad they didn't get the saddle that tight on me, but it was close to it..

Very, very interesting.. makes me wonder where the "absent Christ" concept fits into this.

Ala, nothing there. Please try again.

Please tell me you didn't name him Loy..